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  (Source: immigrationlawchronicles.com)
Large technology companies in particular like Microsoft and Autodesk are pushing Congress to up the number of H-1B visas available each year

The U.S. government announced this week that work permits in the H-1B visa program are almost entirely depleted for 2013.

According to the United States Immigration and Citizenship Services (USCIS), 55,600 standard H-1B visas have already been issued out of 65,000 for the next fiscal year. In addition, 18,700 H-1B visas for graduates of advanced degree programs were issued in the U.S. out of 20,000. These numbers were posted as of June 1, and USCIS started accepting applications on April 1.

This is a significant increase, considering it took until November to use up all of last year's work permits. It is believed that this is a sign of better economic times, and U.S. companies are pushing for an expansion of the H-1B program.

Large technology companies in particular like Microsoft and Autodesk are pushing Congress to up the number of H-1B visas available each year. This would allow them and other companies in the U.S. to import workers with skills in technology and finance.

According to a study from Partnership for A New American Economy, which is an industry lobby group, the U.S. will have a shortage of 224,000 tech workers by 2018 if more visas are not made available.

The 2013 fiscal year begins October 1, 2012.

Source: InformationWeek



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RE: Abuse
By Ringold on 6/12/2012 6:25:24 PM , Rating: 2
If they're getting paid half what their peers here do, for the same skill and productivity level, and it's still more then what they'd get back home, plus they get their foot in the door living in the largest, most dynamic (historically) economy in the world then I don't see how they're being taken advantage of. Further, I've never heard of stories of H1B visa workers complaining of feeling trapped here, unable to return to their third-world homes.

Also, where are these unemployed developers? They're not in my little corner of the country. I've seen the same litany of tech job posts go unfilled here for years. Not exaggerating, either; YEARS. There's also companies like Siemens that've been reporting problem finding US grads in specific fields for years as well. In fact, there's mountains of evidence there's a structural (ie, skill related, not cyclical) job problem in this country, and not much evidence of H1B being a problem. I can probably link 20 articles, minimum, from the Economist from the past couple years describing job shortages, hundreds from broader sources like WSJ, Bloomberg, Forbes, FT, etc. The only place I've ever seen what you're saying is internet forums.

Furthermore, WTF is this country doing restricting the amount of college-educated people that want to come to this country? We'll look the other way when uneducated hordes of Mexicans cross the border, but the worlds best and brightest want to come here and work, create wealth and put down roots and we want to stop them? This is not the mentality that led us to gobble up the German rocket scientists that eventually put us on the moon; it's another step towards being that sclerotic continent our founders ran away from. What's the point of being the shining city upon a hill, as Reagan would put it, if we put up razor wire, land mines and moats around that hill to keep everyone out? Just feels to me to be totally counter to what the nation was founded upon.


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By JediJeb on 6/12/2012 6:47:19 PM , Rating: 4
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Also, where are these unemployed developers? They're not in my little corner of the country. I've seen the same litany of tech job posts go unfilled here for years. Not exaggerating, either; YEARS. There's also companies like Siemens that've been reporting problem finding US grads in specific fields for years as well.


The reason we are in this shape is because we let our education system push students towards arts and entertainment instead of science and technology. We water down the curriculum until almost every student can pass with an A or B grade so that the school looks good on the books, yet the ones graduating from them can barely solve a simple cross word puzzle or count change at the store. We have one kid we recently hired who was told to check on his work at a quarter past three. He gave a blank stare and we had to tell him that meant 3:15. He had never heard the word quarter used in any fashion other than to describe a coin and did not know that fifteen minutes was 1/4 of an hour or even that a quarter was 1/4 of a dollar, only that it was 25 cents. Seriously, I learned these things when I was in the third grade! My sister who is a special ed teacher said that the school systems are not even telling regular ed teachers to have students learn their multiplication tables anymore, they would rather they learn to do math on a calculator. They worry more about if a student can get along with other students than if they can count, read, or just about any other thing necessary for survival in life. No wonder we have to look outside the US for technology jobs to be filled.

We need to go back to a time in our schools when failure was an option, and you paid the price for goofing off instead of studying. Listening to things teachers tell me today makes me wonder if in two generations from now the US will even have a population that know anything beyond being able to push a button are receive a prize.


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By fic2 on 6/12/12, Rating: 0
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By tecknurd on 6/12/12, Rating: 0
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By nafhan on 6/13/2012 10:33:10 AM , Rating: 2
Parents are to blame for a lot of this, too.
Based on stuff teachers I know have said, "if a student can get along with other students" is MUCH more of a legitimate concern than it was in the past. Not disagreeing you, more trying to point out that fixing the education system isn't something that can necessarily be done by the education system, alone.


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By JediJeb on 6/13/2012 11:21:57 AM , Rating: 2
Very true! Parents are part of the education system whether they want to be or not.


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By MrBlastman on 6/13/2012 2:28:24 PM , Rating: 3
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We need to go back to a time in our schools when failure was an option, and you paid the price for goofing off instead of studying. Listening to things teachers tell me today makes me wonder if in two generations from now the US will even have a population that know anything beyond being able to push a button are receive a prize.


The Government doesn't want this though. They want people to act like Oliver and hold out their hands in despair asking, "More, please" as we shovel slop onto their plates that is only rapidly scarfed down and empty once more.

The Government understands that if people are taught how to think, they can't be controlled. Thus, it would require too much effort to keep them dependent. It knows that if people learn how to overcome challenges, they won't grovel for help instead.

The Government does this for job security. If We the People realized (in their eyes) that we don't really need all the excessive fluff they (take) provide, none of this would be allowed to happen. Thus, our schools are dumbed down, the people's minds are allowed to atrophy and the spirit of our country is allowed to blow off into oblivion.

My wife is a teacher and I haven't heard of kids not learning their multiplication tables anymore. It could be that she's taught at private schools for years, not public ones. I'll have to ask her about that tonight.


RE: Abuse
By mellomonk on 6/13/2012 4:37:35 PM , Rating: 1
Wow. Just wow. The statement above, with all of it's fear, suspicion, and outright conspiracy theory wackiness is a poster for the failure of our education system. The fact that someone could be so media manipulated to have such an opinion of his own government is sad.

Free and skeptical thinking is great. But biased wacky reinterpretation is not thinking free. Wake up and read a civics book and get involved in the political process. Learn about the limits of government, implementation of policy, and checks & balances.


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By 1prophet on 6/14/2012 12:45:43 PM , Rating: 2
Instead of government how about owners?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q


RE: Abuse
By Ringold on 6/14/2012 5:35:13 PM , Rating: 1
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Learn about the limits of government, implementation of policy, and checks & balances.


You'd be 100% correct if the constitution was respected, but we ignore it and its intent every day. Between the interstate commerce clause's abuse and the EPA's being allowed to regulate CO2, the government has given itself a blank check to regulate every aspect of our lives at the federal level, and then we've got local politicians like Bloomberg that want to tell us what to eat, how much, etc., or Obama dictating free birth control for one segment of the population at the expense of all others, etc. Then look at the recess appointments he's made, bypassing the Senate's constitutional job of vetting various appointments. Bush did it on a temporary basis, but it's a whole new level now.

So, asides from the occasional circus of elections where most people vote the same way year after year, I do not see any of this "checks & balances" stuff you speak of. I mean, I see it in the constitution, but where is the check and balance with Eric Holder appointing a campaign contributor and long time personal friend to investigate his own misdeeds?

Tl;dr: Wake up.


RE: Abuse
By Trisped on 6/13/2012 5:23:17 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, your ignorance is appalling.

The phrase "A quarter past three" went out of style with the advent of the digital clock. We no longer have to estimate time due to the limitations of the analog clock, as such we say exactly what we mean, if we mean 3:10, 3:15, or 3:20 we just say it. Have you ever heard someone say "A sixth past three." or "A third past three."? then why do you insist that the new generation be required to understand your archaic and inaccurate way of communicating time?

While I agree it is important to teach kids the multiplication tables, this is not the 1970s where calculators are expensive with limited functionality, calculators are everywhere. You can find them on your computer, your phone, your tablet, you can buy them for $5 in most stores, or get which can do more them your advanced calculus teacher. So yes, I think it is important to teach kids to memorize the basic 0-10 multiplication tables, but they will probably never use it. Instead they will depend on the higher accuracy and faster calculator.


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By Solandri on 6/13/2012 6:07:09 PM , Rating: 3
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The phrase "A quarter past three" went out of style with the advent of the digital clock. We no longer have to estimate time due to the limitations of the analog clock, as such we say exactly what we mean, if we mean 3:10, 3:15, or 3:20 we just say it.

The phrase "a quarter past three" is actually conveying two pieces of information. A time and a range. If you want to meet at exactly 3:15, you say 3:15. If you want to meet at about 3:15, you say a quarter past three. That specifies a timeframe of about 3:10-3:20 for most people. It's basically a short way of saying, "3:15, give or take x minutes".

This is a big problem I see in younger people, probably because of the reason you cited - the advent of digital clocks. One of the engineers at a previous job was tasked with making sure a ship we were building stayed within the design weight. He had a huge spreadsheet with the weight of every layer of fiberglass, every can of epoxy, every piece of equipment, every nut and bolt. I was actually impressed with how thorough he had been. But he had no error margins. He could tell you exactly how much he thought the ship weighed, but he had absolutely no clue how accurate his total was. Was it off by a few grams? A few kg? A few tons? No idea. We couldn't make an accurate prediction of how fast the ship would go when selecting an engine. We had to wait until it was actually in the water with engines installed.

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While I agree it is important to teach kids the multiplication tables, this is not the 1970s where calculators are expensive with limited functionality, calculators are everywhere. You can find them on your computer, your phone, your tablet, you can buy them for $5 in most stores, or get which can do more them your advanced calculus teacher. So yes, I think it is important to teach kids to memorize the basic 0-10 multiplication tables, but they will probably never use it.

Learning the multiplication table isn't about being able to give quick answers to multiplication questions or exact change in a store. It's about gaining insight into numbers and proportions. If you have the table memorized, you know intuitively whether 4 groups of 8 is bigger or smaller than 5 groups of 6. Estimation becomes more accurate, and everyone uses estimates even if they hated math. It's why when someone makes a post about powering something with solar panels, I can usually tell at a glance whether he's in the right ballpark or seriously off, before I do any exact calculations.


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By Ringold on 6/14/2012 5:39:20 PM , Rating: 2
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It's why when someone makes a post about powering something with solar panels, I can usually tell at a glance whether he's in the right ballpark or seriously off, before I do any exact calculations.


Yes! A thousand times yes. Back in college some times peers would think I was some sort of math savant, being able to glance at their work and point out the huge problems immediately. No, in fact I'm pretty bad and don't enjoy math at all, but I bothered to understand it, so it's not hard to have a feel for where an equation should be going or where a final answer should be before working out the math. That's, apparently, not an easy thing for kids to do any more, and I have to believe it seriously would crimp their productivity at any math or engineering related job, where they have more errors to go back and correct later because they're too ignorant to catch them on the fly versus better educated peers.


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By Trisped on 6/13/2012 5:33:02 PM , Rating: 2
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The reason we are in this shape is because we let our education system push students towards arts and entertainment instead of science and technology.
Schools do not push, they lead or enable. If a student does not want to learn Newtonian physics then they will not learn it. You can force them to take the course, you can force them to take the test, but unless they want to learn, they won't.

The real problem is kids do not want to learn. And why should they? The only people who become rich are actors, inventors, and drug dealers. All the other high paying professions outsource their development to foreign nations, or import foreign workers so they do not have to pay them what they are worth. If more companies were willing to pay more for technical workers, more people would pursue those careers. The additional people pursuing the careers would allow more competition and separation of those who know the field vs those who do not.


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By Solandri on 6/13/2012 6:29:47 PM , Rating: 2
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Schools do not push, they lead or enable. If a student does not want to learn Newtonian physics then they will not learn it. You can force them to take the course, you can force them to take the test, but unless they want to learn, they won't.

You're assuming the only incentives are carrots. There are sticks as well. I'd agree with you that on the whole carrots are a better incentive. But what is the point of sparing the child from a stick in school, if it'll lead him to a lifetime of sticks in the form of low income jobs?

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The real problem is kids do not want to learn. And why should they? The only people who become rich are actors, inventors, and drug dealers. All the other high paying professions outsource their development to foreign nations, or import foreign workers so they do not have to pay them what they are worth.

That more reflects your loss of faith in the country than it does reality. My extended family and myself are all immigrants (none on H-1Bs). Each family came to this country with only $1000 in our name (that was all our native country would let us take with us at the time). Since then, most of us have made upper-middle class lives for ourselves. Three people started and own million dollar companies. One started and owns a multi-million dollar chain of cell phone stores. The worst off lives in a trailer home, but makes do. Our parents stressed to us, and we stress to our kids, the importance of a good education, and living within our means (my early childhood was spent in low income housing).

The opportunity is there. In the case of K-12 education it's handed to you on a silver platter. You just have to reach out and grasp it. If you instead wallow in self-pity that others are taking it from you, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The companies getting these H-1Bs didn't get them because they sat and whined about how there weren't enough skilled workers. They got them because they worked and lobbied for them. If you want to eliminate them, you have to work to succeed and lobby for to end them, not sit and whine about it.


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By Mint on 6/13/2012 7:02:37 PM , Rating: 2
I can't believe you got rated to a 5 for this worthless theory.

The education system is pushing people towards arts instead of technology? WTF? I bet 80% of highschool grads learn more algebra than they'll ever use in their life, so they're pushing people there as much as they can. Who on earth would choose an arts degree instead of a tech career? Earning potential is WAY higher with the latter. If you enjoy math/science and are good at it, you'd have to be an ignoramus to pursue arts as a career.

FYI, arithmetic has almost nothing to do with the math skills needed in technology, and I can only assume that you're not an engineer, scientist, or programmer. If anything, we should have more calculators in school, forcing curriculums to come up with more creative problems to solve.

If you want to blame something for luring kids away from science and engineering, blame American society for the allure of chasing liberal arts tail...


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By dgingerich on 6/12/12, Rating: 0
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By ATrigo on 6/12/2012 7:25:39 PM , Rating: 2
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As far as government people looking the other way, that's the democrats looking to have more "voters" who get trapped in the giveaway system to vote for them.


You know, foreign nationals, either as lawful permanent residents (green card holders) or non permanent residents (H1-B, TN, L, E, O, etc visas) cannot vote. Pretty much registering while not a U.S Citizen for voting in an election is a one way ticket out of the country.

Yes, you can tell me that they will get the residency and become U.S Citizens and what not, that at least takes 10 years.


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By dgingerich on 6/12/12, Rating: 0
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By ATrigo on 6/12/2012 9:08:23 PM , Rating: 3
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By ATrigo on 6/12/2012 9:09:02 PM , Rating: 2
*USCIS*


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By someguy123 on 6/13/2012 4:26:31 AM , Rating: 3
That's what you call headline spin. If you read the article, Florida was indeed attempting to remove illegal registrations, but the justice department is suing them because they believe their methods are inaccurate and because they failed to meet deadlines, not for the sake of the illegal immigrants.


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By FITCamaro on 6/13/2012 7:54:30 AM , Rating: 1
Bullshit. The DoJ is suing them because the administration wants as many illegitimate voters on the rolls as possible in November since those who cannot legally vote nearly always vote Democrat.

A state is well within its rights to look into voter rolls see who they think isn't eligible to vote, and ask the person "Hey we think you're not allowed to vote. Please get back to us and prove you are." That WW2 vet that they're waving around as an example of how flawed it is goes directly against their argument of discrimination. It shows that whatever method they used didn't just identify particular groups of people. People from multiple groups got flagged. Yes, the majority of the people who get questioned undoubtedly will be of hispanic descent because that is the background of the vast majority of illegal aliens in the US, much less Florida.

They're not just kicking people off the voter rolls without the opportunity to prove otherwise. They identified people based on IDs. I'm guessing the ID is for someone who is dead or what is believed to be a fake ID based on some information. They want to try and verify their list with Homeland Security, but they're blocked there as well since, again, the administration doesn't want those people off the rolls.

They use that voter rights act to say that Florida is making a change to election laws when in fact they're not changing any law. It is already against the law to vote when you're not eligible. Like Arizona is with the border, Florida is merely trying to enforce the law since the federal government has no interest in doing so.


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By dgingerich on 6/13/2012 7:51:42 AM , Rating: 1
That's just the BS excuse they use. They've also blocked other ways states have used to block illegal aliens from voting, and not just this administration:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/02/07...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/o...

their attack dogs have pushed for illegal voters for a long time:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435...


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By someguy123 on 6/13/2012 8:54:41 AM , Rating: 2
You can join in on the spin, but even the USA today article points out that other states have ID laws in place, making these ban targeted, meaning there are other issues at play than simply banning ID checks, otherwise they would ban them everywhere and apparently win every election.

WSJ article is about ACORN mismanagement the obama administration having a clear agenda due to being linked to ACORN. Doesn't really have anything to do with with the Florida ban, which is attempting to run its own sweep for illegal registrations.


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By FITCamaro on 6/13/2012 12:56:18 PM , Rating: 2
I live in SC. Our voter ID bill even had the provision for giving out free IDs to those who claimed they couldn't afford one. But Democrats called it racist, discriminatory, and even Holder said it was too much of a burden for minorities to have to show ID at the polls. Apparently when they show it to buy alcohol, certain drugs, a car, at the DMV, or any other of the many places where ID is required, its not a burden. But when they go to vote, somehow its a burden.

I was asked for ID yesterday when I voted.


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By dgingerich on 6/13/2012 2:35:19 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, I guess I picked the wrong ACORN article. I had several open at the time. I thought I got the right one.

I don't have time to look those up now, but I'm sure you're heard about it in cities all over the country. They signed up all sorts of people to register to vote who had no right to vote.

I still don't understand how a state issues photo ID could be a burden to the poor. I've been poor. I've lived on >$8000/year back in 2003 and 2004, taking every job I could find. My car would stall when I'd make a left turn. I was eating ramen and mac and cheese constantly, and sometimes that was even too expensive to have more than every other day. (I went from 215lbs down to 180lbs in 9 months during that time.) I wasn't able to get an oil change for my car for almost a year. There was a month when all I could afford was to keep my car insured and gas. All I had to eat were hand outs. Yet I was still able to prioritize and keep my car insured so I could keep getting small jobs. 2 and a half years, I managed to keep going. I even managed to get the money together to get my ID renewed for $15 during that time. More importantly, I made it through all that with nearly no government handouts. (I did collect unemployment from April 2002 to October 2002, but from then on I was on my own.)

The complaints by the Democrats on voter identification requirements are just total BS. They don't make any sense. If something is a priority, people will do what they need to get it done, even getting an ID and keeping their SS card and/or birth certificate.


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By mellomonk on 6/13/2012 4:26:16 PM , Rating: 2
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The complaints by the Democrats on voter identification requirements are just total BS. They don't make any sense. If something is a priority, people will do what they need to get it done, even getting an ID and keeping their SS card and/or birth certificate.


It is not the requirement that is the problem. NOBODY thinks that is truly a burden. It is all about the timing. It will take many months to years to implement such a requirement. On top of that you have to convince the poor and suspicious that this is a good thing. Of course the conservative element wants to roll this out this year, an election year. Oh, and no card no vote. Interesting. And which party would this unduly effect? To late. To do it this year is gerrymandering. They need to get started on this AFTER the election in the interest of fairness.


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By knutjb on 6/12/2012 8:06:47 PM , Rating: 3
What should occur is to allow wages to increase commensurate with the demand. This program seems to pander to companies trying to keep wages in those high demand fields suppressed. Stop the inept immigration policy and let those who stand in line in and make it impossible for those who jump the line or fence to stay employed by sending their employers to jail.

Since the end of Apollo the spigots from engineering departments have been closed and universities have become bastions of liberal arts and pseudo sciences.

That said all I hear is open up the H1Bs. Short term band-aid, nothing more. Long term, educators feet must be held to the fire. How many more underwater basket weaving majors do we need? This can be corrected in public institutions. Though they seem to be happy teaching 9th grade math to those pursuing that underwater basket weaving degree. That paradigm must change.

Also the k-12 educational system does little to encourage students to do the hard work required for these fields. They need to held to the same fire as universities.


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By nafhan on 6/13/2012 10:29:25 AM , Rating: 2
A decent percentage of people who come here on H1B's end up becoming citizens - well educated citizens who increase the productivity of the US as a whole. Further, these are often people who place high value on science and engineering and pass those values onto their American children. If you want to make the country a place where science and engineering are valued, importing some people who value it seems like a good idea to me...

Also, I do think we've reached a bit of a tipping point. Between technology becoming so obviously integrated into our lives and recent celebrity of tech industry leaders, I think more people are starting to realize that maybe there is something to this science and engineering stuff - it's not just for nerds; it's for people who want to succeed in the rest of this century.


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By JediJeb on 6/13/2012 11:31:18 AM , Rating: 2
One problem though is they see that famous tech person and want to be them, but do not want to have to put in the hard work it took them to get there. Too many today want the end result handed to them at the start instead of working their way up to it.


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By nafhan on 6/13/2012 2:23:25 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, however, that's more of a cultural problem that affects every profession, and it's a separate issue from the disdain that used to be the norm for technical work and knowledge.


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By fic2 on 6/12/2012 8:47:04 PM , Rating: 4
Here is an '07 article about H1-B from Information Week. I am sure most of it is still true.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/201200100
From the aritcle:
But Norman Matloff, a professor of computer science at the University of California at Davis who has studied the H-1B issue, sees the visa fundamentally as a way to hire cheaper foreigners or to avoid hiring older U.S. workers seen as more expensive. "This is about cheap labor, period," says Matloff. "H-1Bs are being exploited, even as U.S. workers are being displaced."

Just because companies report what they want you to think doesn't mean that it is true. Also, WSJ, Bloomberg, Forbes, FT, etc are all business papers/magazines and report what businesses tell them. I would be more apt to believe a tech journal.

Maybe a good way to allocate the H1-B visas is by income tax percentage a company pays. A company that jumps through hoops trying to lower their income tax percentage would be eligible for a lower number of visas.


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By Ringold on 6/14/2012 5:47:59 PM , Rating: 2
A professor of computer science, that sounds like an unbiased source.

Anyway, you don't understand how some of these companies work. They'd take what they could get, young or old, if they could. They'd rather pay higher wages and deal with whatever issues come with having an older employee (like slightly dated skills, being a fast moving industry), then to leave a job empty. That can hurt growth and potential profit more then extra wages. There's cases in the news of entire factories trying to open but having to scrap their plans for a whole facility due to only being able to source maybe 1/3 the labor they need in various parts of the country. Sounds like left-wing spin that'd lead you to believe some crazy notion that a company would pass up the opportunity to expand and make more money just to avoid older workers and slightly higher compensation (especially if you knew labor was, for some products, just a small part of overall costs, especially manufacturing).


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