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Next-generation iPhone backplates  (Source: 9 to 5 Mac)

Next-generation iPhone frame  (Source: 9 to 5 Mac)

Next-generation iPhone front glass  (Source: 9 to 5 Mac)
The next generation iPhone is expected to make an appearance in the fall along with iOS 6

New photos of the next-generation iPhone have hit the web, and it looks like Apple fans have plenty of new changes to look forward to when it arrives.

Earlier today, 9 to 5 Mac got its hands on the backplates and frames of the upcoming next-generation iPhone. From the images posted, it seems Apple is making some external and internal changes.

As with the iPhone 4 and 4S, the next-generation iPhone will be available in black and white. Both the black and white versions have backplates that are made of metal, with the plastic trim at the top and bottom. The metal antenna is molded into these metal backplates, likely as a way of making a unibody enclosure for stronger, yet thinner and lighter gadgets.

The new backplates and frames also show that the next-generation iPhone will be the same width, but it will be longer. The screen will reportedly be longer with a size of 3.999 inches diagonally and will have a resolution of 1136 x 640.

Other notable changes that are apparent from the backplates and frames are a smaller dock connector, redesigned speaker grills, a new opening between the camera lens and the LED flash (which is where a second microphone may be placed for better audio when recording video), the earphone jack has been relocated to the bottom corner of the iPhone, and the front camera lens has become centered above the earpiece. 

It also appears that Apple will not feature edge-to-edge technology in this version of the iPhone, but the possibility of Micro-SIM technology (or maybe even no SIMs at all) is pretty strong. LTE and a better processor are a few other add-ons that are expected in the next-generation iPhone.

The next generation iPhone is expected to make an appearance in the fall along with iOS 6.

In addition to next-gen iPhone spec leaks, it was also rumored last week that Apple will release a Mini iPad later this year. The Mini version of Apple's famous tablet is rumored to be 7-inches.

Speaking of Apple prototypes, an original iPad with two dock connectors sold on eBay for $10,200 yesterday. Apple never formally released an iPad with two dock connectors, where one was designed for portrait and the other for landscape, but that rare gadget made its way onto eBay for an expensive Memorial Day bidding war.

Source: 9 to 5 Mac



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RE: Nice!
By aurareturn on 5/29/2012 5:50:18 PM , Rating: -1
I think it's the S3 that will be trying to catchup to the next iPhone.

Apple makes a superior phone both hardware and software.

I speak from experience of owning an S2 and iPhone 4s.


RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 5/29/2012 5:57:50 PM , Rating: 3
I dunno about that. The S2 blows the 4s aways on hardware. And IOS vs. Android 2.3, maybe. But Android 4 blows IOS 5 away. IOS is just looking old and dated at this point. Maybe IOS 6 will bring some new goodies to it, well have to see.


RE: Nice!
By aurareturn on 5/29/2012 6:43:53 PM , Rating: 3
Disagree. From almost every benchmark I've seen, the 4s left the S2 in the dust. Not to mention the 4S has better battery life and a better screen.

From using both iOS and Android as well as talking to my friends, the iOS is just a better OS.

I'm not a Mac lover btw. I love my Windows 7 and hate using Mac computers.


RE: Nice!
By Reclaimer77 on 5/29/2012 7:02:55 PM , Rating: 5
Umm the only area where the 4S beats the S2 is GPU performance. And it was to the point that the GPU was monstrously overpowered for ANYTHING a smartphone could possibly encounter. Wasteful really. The S2 had a faster CPU, while being an older phone. Was thinner, lighter, and more durable than the iPhone. Better screen? The iPhone had a bit more resolution, but better screen? I wouldn't go that far.

iOs better OS? That's a matter of opinion. If you like a walled garden locked down OS that has the worst multitasking of the bunch, then sure, it's the best.

The phones are pretty close actually. I don't think one can objectively say the Galaxy S2 was "left in the dust".


RE: Nice!
By GulWestfale on 5/29/2012 7:08:29 PM , Rating: 3
having owned both, i can say that the android system appears to be more powerful and certainly more configurable, but apple's system is smoother when it comes to how the user actually interfaces with it.

all in all, i have to say that i can not see anymore how one would spend $500+ on a phone, and then not have a larger screen, better camera, and the ability to visit the entire web (flash...). so android wins, in my humble opinion.


RE: Nice!
By kleinma on 5/29/2012 7:34:39 PM , Rating: 3
Having owned a horribly slow and dated android 2.3 DroidX (personal), and an iPhone 4s (work), my preference still falls with the droid. I use the iPhone for certain browser tasks that are just slow on the dated droid, but as soon as I upgrade the device to new hardware with ICS, the iPhone will be left only for iOS specific tasks. I find iOS unintuitive, and too compartmentalized. Some people may like the "there is only one way do to everything" approach, but I prefer to be given options, and choose which way suits my needs and have the options. I am an IT professional though, so I am not really Apples main target user.


RE: Nice!
By sweatshopking on 5/29/2012 7:40:48 PM , Rating: 2
yeah, tell that to google, who banned flash in the new chrome browser. looks like android won't have the "full" web either.


RE: Nice!
By sprockkets on 5/29/2012 8:13:14 PM , Rating: 2
They didn't ban flash for it; adobe stopped developing it. You can still use it in the stock browser or in dolphin anyhow in ICS.


RE: Nice!
By BillyBatson on 5/30/2012 5:09:57 AM , Rating: 3
I don't know how you can hate on the iPhone so much. I say hate because how can you refuse to believe the current iPhones screen is not only better than the s2 but better than any other phone currently offered in the US. Hate on the iPhone for anything else, hate on it for no 4g, hate on its design, hate on it for coining the misleading term "retina display", hell hate on it for no reason as many people here on anad/daily do, but you can't hate on its screen. People throwing around "it just has higher res that's all" As if resolution doesn't matter when it very clearly does as much in the PC world as the mobile world. However on top of the higher res comes smaller pixels, wider viewing angles than many android phones I've seen, a very bright clear and easy to read screen, and better color reproduction than any other phone in the US (I say US since I know LG is releasing a 5" "retina" display phone but over seas first. And I don't care what anyone thinks about OLED screens in other phones because they all have a blue tint to them.
4s did leave the s2 "in the dust" in many ways, and one major way is the screen.
Go on and argue the rest but these screen facts you can't.


RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 5/30/2012 11:15:56 AM , Rating: 2
"the current iPhones screen is not only better than the s2 but better than any other phone currently offered in the US"

I dont know what your talking about. You coulnt be more wrong in my opinion. To me the screen is the iPhone 4s's weakest link. Its simply too small. the res is great, but a 4.6 - 4.8 inch screen with 1280x720 res like we have in the Nexus, One X and S3 totally smoke it. Size matters, thus the reason even Apple is going larger with it's next phone.


RE: Nice!
By aliasfox on 5/30/2012 11:36:49 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know how big your pockets are, but I'm perfectly fine with <4" screens. In fact, I was intrigued by the Veer when I saw it that one month it was in stores... I'd consider a 3" flagship equally with a 4", and definitely over a 4.5"+.

I'm sure there are uses for 5" phones, but I doubt most people want to put a phone half the size of their face up to their face. Or have that big an expanse of glass to crack when they sit down/bump into something.

I still feel that the biggest reason these gigantic phones are out there now is to provide room for a bigger battery. A 25% larger screen (by area) with the same SoC means power draw has increased by less than 25%, but it also means they can increase the size of the battery ~30% or so...


RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 5/30/2012 11:33:42 AM , Rating: 3
True, its totally a matter of preference, but I have had a 4.65 inch nexus in my pocket and it's fine. It didnt do anything but make me want it.

Its not like a niche market. The highest selling phones in the past year are Android by a large margin, and the vast majority of Android's are 4.3 inches with the latest 4.6 to 4.8 inchers selling like crazy. 9 million pre-orders for the Galaxy S3 alone and believe me the biggest selling point on these latest super phones are the screens.


RE: Nice!
By BillyBatson on 5/30/2012 3:54:39 PM , Rating: 2
Well seems like YOUR opinion doesn't come with any facts. Also if you reread my post you'll see that I never once mentioned screen size other than to mention the new Lg phone coming out because for my argument SIZE DOESN'T MATTER!!!!! Size is a matter of OPINION and opinion you chose to share but in no way proves that the s2 screen is better than then 4s screen. Regardless of whether someone thinks the 4s screen is too small or too big it's still of better overall quality.
In MY opinion 3.5" is a great size screen for a phone! I'm not trying to carry a netbook or tablet in my pocket let alone hold one up against my ear.
You are saying you would rather have a 32" 1200x768 PC screen than a 20" 1920x1080 screen with better color reproduction, uniformity, etc etc? Maybe if you plan to just stream Netflix (even then I would prefer the 20") but definitely when it comes to gaming/graphics etc.
Size doesn't mean quality, period.


RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 5/30/2012 4:37:07 PM , Rating: 2
"Well seems like YOUR opinion doesn't come with any facts."

I SAID it was my opinion, but hte fact is that the higest selling phones are Androids and the highest selling Androids are 4.3inch LCD's or higher. That is a fact. Most people
s opinion is that a larger screen is better in a phone.

"You are saying you would rather have a 32" 1200x768 PC screen than a 20" 1920x1080 screen with better color reproduction, uniformity, etc etc? "

No, not at all. You cant compare 32 inch screens to 4 inch screens. I am saying I would rather have a 4.8 inch 1280x720 screen than ANY 3.5 inch screen regardless of how high its res is. 1280x720 is way more than plenty at that size. Most people agree with me as most people are buying phones with larger screens. That is all I am saying... And size does matter, especially when somethng is as tny as 3.5 inches.


RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 5/30/2012 4:41:41 PM , Rating: 2
I meant to add... that in that sense, the iPhone's screen is it's weekness. Regardless of quality, the size makes it a weekness not to you maybe. As I mentioned above, even Apple acknowledges that as they are increasing the screen size for the iPhone5.


RE: Nice!
By BSMonitor on 5/30/2012 4:52:50 PM , Rating: 2
FYI, no Android phone started with 4-5" screens either.

Apple's product refresh cycle is 2 years. Guess what, it'll be 2 years this summer. The ppi is still at the top level with the competition. Bigger screen typically means bigger form factor. Apple has left that unchanged. You want something different, Samsung, HTC, etc have options for you. 10s of millions of iPhone buyers could care less about slightly bigger screen size. However, they do enjoy the insanely clear resolution at the current screen size.

I for one would not give up resolution for screen size, EVER. And I certainly don't want to carry around something even bigger.

Why are you trying to change something you have no control over??


RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 5/30/2012 4:56:37 PM , Rating: 2
"Why are you trying to change something you have no control over??"

??? Trying to change what exactly? All I said was I link the 4 inch screen on the new iPhone and I think its a good idea. I think the smaller screen is a drawback. Certainly for me. The current iPhone I would never buy, but the iPhone 5 will get on my list to consider if it has a 4 inch screen.


RE: Nice!
By BillyBatson on 5/31/2012 5:45:56 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah 4" screen that will probably be more beautiful out outperform all the 4+ inch android screens. Like he said above, at 3.5" the 4s looks more gorgeous than an android at 4-5" even if you feel it's easier to read or find it more comfortable to read


RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 5/31/2012 8:24:41 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds like you've made up your mind to get Apple no matter what.


RE: Nice!
By elleehswon on 5/31/2012 3:47:13 PM , Rating: 2
Aaaaactually, the 4 inch screen's resolution denotes the same PPI that the iphone 4 and 4s had. That'd put it in second place, and once LG releases it's 440 PPI screen, 3rd place.


RE: Nice!
By Mint on 6/1/2012 4:08:30 PM , Rating: 2
Why are you adamant about saying that you have to give up resolution when you don't choose an iPhone?

Galaxy S3, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note, HTC One X, and more all have 720p+ resolution. That is substantially MORE resolution than the iPhone.

Would you rather take a 19" 1920x1080p screen over a 27" 2560x1440 screen? The former has higher PPI, and that seems to be the only thing you care about.


RE: Nice!
By nikon133 on 5/30/2012 6:53:46 PM , Rating: 2
I'd actually consider that glass sandwich design it's major weakness. I've seen quite a few phones with shattered glass, front or back. Most people I know don't like keeping their 4 and 4s in case - what is the point of all that luxurious finish if you have to hide it in cheap plastic?


RE: Nice!
By BillyBatson on 5/31/2012 5:41:48 AM , Rating: 2
Most people are buyin larger phones because that's what is offered! If te ipjone5 had a 6" screen I'll admit I would buy it it's better than older an old tech device... High end android phones are only coming in larger screens it's like you have a choice unless you go cheaper. Offer the s3 exact specs but a 3.5, 4, 4.5, and 5" flavorus and I guarantee you the majority of sales won't by the 5". But when you want the best of the best new phones and they only come in large sizes well of don't have a choice just like current iPhone users wanting a later screen. Most people don't want 5" phones but if that's alll that's being offered then there you go you buy it.
The size of re screen again doesn't make it better even if you prefer the larger screen the smaller screen in the 4s still has overall better quality than it's larger and same size cousins.
Also I wasn't comparing a 32" to a 4" I was comparing of to a 20" pc monitor which is something like 40% smaller but saying has a higher res and more realistic color reproduction, response time, etc. doesn't mean the 32" is better, just bigger.


RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 5/31/2012 8:27:18 AM , Rating: 2
You are clueless when it comes to phones. They are making those larger screen phones becasue that is what people are wanting. There are plenty smaller Androids out there, they dont sell like the big ones. People want it. I want it. I understand that you dont, but most people do. Thus the highest selling phones are 4.3 and up. Why is that so hard for you to accept? Its just a screen size preference, and you cant seem to accept that other people dont like what you like.


RE: Nice!
By BillyBatson on 6/1/2012 2:38:48 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not disagreeing with you that people don't want larger phones and that it's a matter of opinion which if you read my responses would have understood. If I was to buy an android phone today it would definitely be a larger sized screen but not out of choice but because I would choose between the top 2-3 models out and by "top" I mean new, powerful, and obviously expensive.... But these phones don't come in smaller screen sizes. Will the S3 release at different screen sizes while retaining the same hardware specs? NO! And that was my point. The android world has decided that flagship phones need to come with huge screens. Whether that's because consumers actually want the larger screen, or their attempt to fit the chosen hardware and a larger battery into it, there is still no choice.
Then the iphone5 comes out I'll have it because it's the newest hardware and screen size won't change my purchase since staying with old tech for the sake of screen size isn't worth it.


RE: Nice!
By Reclaimer77 on 5/30/2012 1:26:03 PM , Rating: 2
Billy go take a cold bath son and drown on your own ignorance.


RE: Nice!
By BillyBatson on 6/1/2012 2:42:46 AM , Rating: 2
Choke and die on your own ignorance as you spew it to those who only wish you end up found dead in a ditch with your genitals in your mouth.


RE: Nice!
By Mint on 6/1/2012 4:02:38 PM , Rating: 2
The iPhone's screen is very nice, but it falls short in two key areas:

Size: 3.5" is just too small for many people, and putting it close to your face to make it "equal" to a similar resolution but larger display is just not the same. Not everyone needs a phone to be that small for it to be practical.

Contrast: 700:1 is pretty good, and much better than the awful LCDs you find in mainstream notebooks, but it falls short of even decent TN monitors, way short of quality plasma displays, and pales in comparison to the AMOLED displays out there. Once you see a display with true black, you never want to go back. AMOLED has some other minor deficiencies, but contrast ratio has long been the cornerstone of display quality and with good reason.

To me, those are far more important than PPI. It isn't even the highest resolution anymore.


RE: Nice!
By testerguy on 5/30/12, Rating: 0
RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 5/30/2012 8:45:35 AM , Rating: 2
Nothing you say means anything because you cant be objective. It's easy to pick and choose facts to make your argument appear better, it's called debating, and it's full of crap.

"iPhone is less wide (by over 10mm), less tall (by 7.5mm), only deeper by less than 1mm"
Of course, it's smaller, it has a dinky little 3.5 inch screen. Thats not a win.

"Then, lets throw in the leading customer satisfaction ratings, best reliability rating,"
OK, possibly, I'll give you that as some Android manufacturers are less quality conscious.

"largest app store"
Yes, 600k apps is more than 550k apps or whatever the latest # is. Whatever. Both have everything you need and dozens of similar to boot.

"MOST EFFICIENT multi-tasking,
Multitasking sucks on both. WebOS had it right, and well have to see about QNX when phones finally come out. Everything else is just lame with this, although Android 4 is definitely better than IOS

"SUPPORT FOR LEGACY devices"
Again, this is a debating point that means nothing. Apple makes one lousy model at a time, therefore when an update comes they have to make 2,3 ROM's for the last few products. Easy enough. Android makers make dozens from small screen to huge, qwery kb's and every other option under the sun. This isnt a win for Apple, its a huge win for Android.

Throw all that on the dated Android 2.3 that all this info was gathered on and now update to 2012 where Android 4 reigns and IOS is looking old and dated.

I said this to your counter ego TS, but I'll say it to you to. When you post here, all people read is "blah blah blah skew the facts toward Apple blah blah" .... You are all over every smartphone article on this board spouting your disinformation... As much as you think it's your duty to defend every move Apple makes and every product they create, I think its my duty to call you on your twisited words. The fact is your debate skills are far FAR greater than the platform you champion.

If you can just once, do these 4 things I could begin to take you seriously... Say something truthful and negative about Apples business practices. Say something truthful and negative about Apples products. Say something truthful and positive about Googles business practices. Say something truthful and positive about Android products.



RE: Nice!
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/30/2012 9:19:17 AM , Rating: 2
Kind of hard to take him seriously at this point, even if he were to do those things.


RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 5/30/2012 10:04:44 AM , Rating: 2
LOL. It's more of a challenge I know he won't accept. His alter ego TS didn't either. One thing about these guys, when you pwn them, they stop posting. This way they can act like they didn't read it and post the same garbage in the next article.


RE: Nice!
By testerguy on 5/31/2012 8:44:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nothing you say means anything because you cant be objective


I am 100% objective. You hate apple. You even admitted as much. You're not objective so my objectivity escapes you. You picked and chose facts too, which were misleading. I told the rest and more relevant part of the story.

quote:
Of course, it's smaller, it has a dinky little 3.5 inch screen. Thats not a win.


When you base your argument on it being bigger (as you did), yes it is. It's also a win for anyone who has small pockets and doesn't want to carry around a brick.

quote:
Yes, 600k apps is more than 550k apps or whatever the latest # is. Whatever. Both have everything you need and dozens of similar to boot.


This just isn't true. As a relevant example, for me, I wanted 2 specific apps when I bought my phone. I wanted to watch football with Sky Sports app, and formula 1 with Sky Sports app. At the time, both were available on iPhone, both weren't available on Android. That isn't both having 'everything you need'. And remember, that this league has the highest revenue of any sports league anywhere in the world, so it's not exactly an insignificant market. What's more, the barrier to entry on Android is a lot lower and nobody sets any kind of quality standards so the average app quality is also much higher on iOS.

Multi-Tasking - there's absolutely nothing you would want to do that you can't on iOS, in terms of multi tasking. Every possibility is available. This is your own lack of understanding. To leave apps open in Android consumes resources which is probably why the battery life sucks so much.

quote:
Again, this is a debating point that means nothing. Apple makes one lousy model at a time, therefore when an update comes they have to make 2,3 ROM's for the last few products. Easy enough. Android makers make dozens from small screen to huge, qwery kb's and every other option under the sun. This isnt a win for Apple, its a huge win for Android.


How can you not realise that this paragraph is just an explanation of why you believe Apple are so much better? It's like saying Ferraris are only faster than lawnmowers because they have a bigger engine. Who cares why? It doesn't change the fact. Arguably you're proving why Apples business model is far better for consumers and developers, not having to mess around with so many different form factors or ROMS taking months to come out, if ever, after a new ICS is released. This is why the standard of the apps is so much higher too, by the way, further evidenced by the iOS store being orders of magnitude more profitable than then Android one. The bottom line, and it's NOT debatable at all, is that Apple has proven time again that it continues to support devices 2-3 years old at least. Android has proven the opposite. Even some brand new phones don't even have ICS. To deny this as a disadvantage is complete lunacy.

quote:
IOS is looking old and dated


Trying to find something which isn't 100% opinion in that sentence. Nope, can't.

As for your rant at the end, I would say it's exactly the opposite, but you who is being interpreted as a bitter Apple hater. It is a natural consequence when you get idiots spouting inaccurate hate-driven drivel, like you have every day now for a long time, that the responses to those comments will correct them, and educate them. In other words, your blind ignorance is why you perceive the logical world to be biased. I couldn't be more neutral. I've owned Sony, Nokia, Samsung, Apple devices, I don't have any allegiance at all, and I'm 100% open to all manufacturers and devices for my next phone. You can't say the same. You admitted point blank you hate Apple and then you try to lecture me about objectivity. Seriously, get a brain.

As for your request, please. I address the points I choose, not what you ask me to.


RE: Nice!
By retrospooty on 5/31/2012 10:37:21 AM , Rating: 2
"I am 100% objective. You hate apple. You even admitted as much."

I did? I think you are confusing me with someone else, becasue I dont and I wouldnt have said that. As far as you being 100% objective that is the laugh of the day.

As for the rest, I re-post: I said this to your counter ego TS, but I'll say it to you to. When you post here, all people read is "blah blah blah skew the facts toward Apple blah blah" .... You are all over every smartphone article on this board spouting your disinformation... As much as you think it's your duty to defend every move Apple makes and every product they create, I think its my duty to call you on your twisited words. The fact is your debate skills are far FAR greater than the platform you champion.

If you can just once, do these 4 things I could begin to take you seriously... Say something truthful and negative about Apples business practices. Say something truthful and negative about Apples products. Say something truthful and positive about Googles business practices. Say something truthful and positive about Android products.


RE: Nice!
By testerguy on 6/1/2012 11:05:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
As far as you being 100% objective that is the laugh of the day.


Point to anything I said which isn't true, and you might have any shred of an argument.

As for the rest of your paragraphs, it's all emotional tears from you with no relevance to any of my logical and factual points.

The absence of any attempt to contradict any of my points is validation enough. As for your request, I've told you, I'm here for me, not for you, and you are a total irrelevance to me. Thus, it would be a waste of my time to humour you by responding to your request which doesn't interest me. I am satisfied that anybody with intelligence reading this will understand the same.


RE: Nice!
By matty123 on 5/30/2012 8:59:37 AM , Rating: 3
Stop deluding yourself and trying to tweak the results to get your point across...

CPU Performance: {As you say through CPU actually has very little to do with browser benchmarks, it's far more software optimization}

{Android ICS, IOS 5}
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5810/46294...
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5810/46298...

{Android GB, IOS 5}
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4971/41963...
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4971/41962...

{Android GB, IOS 4}
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4686/41016...
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4686/41020...

Also let's not forget the other sections of the test where battery life of the galaxy s2 came out on top of the iphone 4s instead you conveniently leave them out...

Battery Life
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4971/41746...
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4971/41745...

Granted the the iphone 4s has a better GPU than the galaxy s2 no disputing that...

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You know what amazes me the most? You guys are meant to be tech guys. Any real tech guy wouldn't feel 'locked down' by a phone - you just need to work out how to use it. There's nothing you can't do, but you need your simplistic file browsers? It's like you anti-Apple tech guys are actually more dumb when it comes to tech, the rest of us use technology as a means to an end, it's not the end of itself. It's like you're all those system builders who make it unnecessarily complicated and wonder why your systems suck.


I don't think any of us wonder why our systems suck please stop pushing your inferiority complex onto us, most people are happy with their androids sure it could be argued that in general apple consumers are happier but considering how many products they sell {like 5 or 6} it's not that shocking.

You should stop deluding yourself the most recent smartphone numbers put android at 59% of the world smartphone market and apple at 23%, when over half the worlds population chooses android it's not because we were forced to or had no other options like symbian, WinMo, blackberry, tizen, bada exct exct. Sure some people hate android but many of us are very happy with it.

Cue 60% of smartphone owners are wrong or apple still makes more money argument, anyway it was nice chatting to you, you are clearly wearing the apple tinted classes but I'm sure one day you will wake up and realize that most of the world has chosen android not iOS and we are mostly happy with it...


RE: Nice!
By theapparition on 5/30/2012 9:33:38 AM , Rating: 2
Ah yes.

He had the pick and chose benchmarks to prove his point syndrome.

Thanks for your more unbiased assessment.


RE: Nice!
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/30/2012 11:43:17 AM , Rating: 2
It's a chronic syndrome....


RE: Nice!
By testerguy on 5/31/2012 9:00:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Stop deluding yourself and trying to tweak the results to get your point across..


Actually, I was simply proving the point that claims like 'CPU is faster' are not correct. The benchmarks you re-posted reaffirm this. They very much vary depending on the benchmark.

I did pick the graphs which disproved his point, you're right in that sense. What you failed to understanding is that I didn't need to post every single graph, just one or two proofs by counter example was all that was required. Obviously that escaped you?

quote:
Also let's not forget the other sections of the test where battery life of the galaxy s2 came out on top of the iphone 4s instead you conveniently leave them out...


Did you seriously just hand select 2 benchmarks to try and make a point instead of including all of them? Oh the irony. The point remains that on the balance of normal use the iPhone 4S has better battery life. You only have to look at all the complaints about the SG2 and Android phones battery life in general to know that.

quote:
I don't think any of us wonder why our systems suck please stop pushing your inferiority complex onto us


Yeah because when I say that other systems suck, implying that mine are far superior, that is naturally an inferiority complex? Don't try to use long words next time, it's embarrassing.

quote:
sure it could be argued that in general apple consumers are happier but considering how many products they sell {like 5 or 6} it's not that shocking.


What kind of distorted nonsense logic is this? Their customers are happier, but it's only because of {insert X reason why they are happier}..... jeez, explaining WHY something is better doesn't mean it's not.

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You should stop deluding yourself the most recent smartphone numbers put android at 59% of the world smartphone market and apple at 23%, when over half the worlds population chooses android it's not because we were forced to


Just trying to look at where I made any claims about % share of Android (not a company) vs Apple (a company)... since this would, for me, be an irrelevant comparison. Oh, I didn't. So your point is.... irrelevant. More % of the world own Ford Focus's or equivalents over Bentleys too, does it mean they're better? No, they're cheaper, perform worse, less fun to use, less functionalities, but a wide variety of free / cheap options so people buy. With the wide range of different models there are often niches which are filled with the plethora of Android manufacturers who all make far less profit than Apple do in the process. Surveys have shown that a higher % of Android users would like to switch to iOS than vice versa, but like I said it's an irrelevant statistic anyway. Apple owns Android as much as anyone else does - it's not even an entity.

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Cue 60% of smartphone owners are wrong or apple still makes more money argument,


The point is Android isn't even a company, but more importantly, I hadn't even made any claims about % of the world who uses what, for all of the reasons I cited above it's a foolish and irrelevant question. Particularly, if I can drag you back from the million miles off topic you got, when comparing 2 specific handsets.

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one day you will wake up and realize that most of the world has chosen android not iOS and we are mostly happy with it...


As I've said above, I'm completely objective and indifferent when it comes to phone companies. You say 'we have chosen Android' but what you've actually done, is between 10 different companies, you've managed to pull together and the combined effort is just about beating the single best selling and most successful company in the industry. That's the reality. And by the way, for most people who bought Android, they bought Android phones not because of the OS, but because they wanted the cheapest, or a specific niche fulfilled by one of the many models. It's not because when faced with a choice of Android vs IOS they choose Android.


RE: Nice!
By testerguy on 5/31/2012 9:19:52 AM , Rating: 2
And by the way, your last 2 CPU benchmarks don't even have the iPhone 4S on them.

Seriously, you guys call yourselves techies....

So in conclusion, iPhone 4S CPU is faster in some benchmarks, slower in others, but has to run more bespoke software so probably feels faster. Battery life is marginally better on iPhone 4S, and GPU (The OS is GPU accelerated) is massively, massively faster.

So clearly the iPhone 4S is faster overall.


RE: Nice!
By hexxthalion on 5/30/2012 8:58:36 AM , Rating: 2
nope, no tech guys just whiny little girls here, blind haters


RE: Nice!
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/30/2012 9:13:34 AM , Rating: 2
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This guy is properly, properly delusional.
Oh, the irony is strong here.


RE: Nice!
By 91TTZ on 5/30/2012 10:14:38 AM , Rating: 2
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You know what amazes me the most? You guys are meant to be tech guys. Any real tech guy wouldn't feel 'locked down' by a phone - you just need to work out how to use it. There's nothing you can't do, but you need your simplistic file browsers? It's like you anti-Apple tech guys are actually more dumb when it comes to tech, the rest of us use technology as a means to an end, it's not the end of itself.


I disagree with you here. I'm a tech guy and I have an iPhone 4S which is great. However, he does have a point about the walled garden approach being restrictive and feeling locked down.

When I own a product I like to feel like I own it. I wouldn't want to lease a car, I'd rather buy it. I don't rent a house, I own. The entire walled garden approach isn't about creating a better user experience, it's about locking down customers' options so they can be squeezed for more profit.

Imagine if you sold a phone and let customers do what they wanted with it. Programmers might come up with novel new ways to use it. However if you're a company where profit is your #1 motive, you don't want customers doing that. Customers might program an app that lets them tether their phone to their PC. You don't want that because you promised AT&T that they'd have exclusive access to that capability so they can sell that service for a heavily marked up profit. Customers might program an app like Siri but you don't want them to do that because it would take away a major selling point that your new phone (iPhone 4S) has over an older model (iPhone 4). Or they might program an app that allows people to join Social Network B when you signed an agreement with Social Network A that grants them exclusivity in return for a kickback (hasn't happened yet but would it surprise you?)

By locking down the options available to customers, you can ensure that they'll keep coming back to the feeding trough.


RE: Nice!
By testerguy on 5/31/2012 9:08:32 AM , Rating: 2
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I disagree with you here. I'm a tech guy and I have an iPhone 4S which is great. However, he does have a point about the walled garden approach being restrictive and feeling locked down.


I'm a tech guy too who has owned and used an iPhone 4 and a Samsung Galaxy 2. I didn't feel 'locked down' or in a 'walled garden' at all. Because I was able to do anything I wanted. It takes a bit of intelligence to work around some of the techniques, often more so than Android - but I'm a tech guy so I manage it. There isn't a single thing I want to do that I can't.

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When I own a product I like to feel like I own it. I wouldn't want to lease a car, I'd rather buy it. I don't rent a house, I own. The entire walled garden approach isn't about creating a better user experience, it's about locking down customers' options so they can be squeezed for more profit.


Another paragraph with no actual content. I could write exactly the same sentence about Android and how many relatively new handsets are 'locked down' to old and inferior versions of Android and so they are forced to buy new?

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Customers might program an app that lets them tether their phone to their PC


If your network allows this feature, you can use it without even needing an app. If your network doesn't allow it, it's illegal anyway. I don't hold it against Apple that they don't support illegal activities. Nobody logical should, either.

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Customers might program an app like Siri but you don't want them to do that because it would take away a major selling point that your new phone (iPhone 4S) has over an older model (iPhone 4)


Again, completely wrong. There are numerous voice control apps on the app store - a whole range of them. Where are you coming up with this nonsense - especially if you claim you own an iPhone 4S (which I don't, by the way).

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Or they might program an app that allows people to join Social Network B when you signed an agreement with Social Network A that grants them exclusivity in return for a kickback (hasn't happened yet but would it surprise you?)


So now you're explaining your unfounded 'locked down' feeling by listing something that hasn't even happened? Seriously?

I said it before and I'll say it again, there is simply nothing 'locked down' about iPhones at all. For regular consumers, who aren't very intelligent, they may not be able to figure out the way to do such and such a thing, but for any true techy there are simply no obstacles or problems when wanting to do absolutely anything. You just need to be competent.


RE: Nice!
By 91TTZ on 5/30/2012 10:19:11 AM , Rating: 2
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the only area where the 4S beats the S2 is GPU performance. And it was to the point that the GPU was monstrously overpowered for ANYTHING a smartphone could possibly encounter. Wasteful really.


I wouldn't say that it's wasteful. Usually if a CPU/GPU has a surplus of processing power it doesn't run at full blast all the time, it spends more time idling.

So if you were comparing 2 GPUs and one of them had 3 times the speed of the other one, it wouldn't always use more electricity. It would just complete its task faster and spend more time idling.

Also, how can you say that it's overpowered for anything that a smartphone could possibly do? Smartphones have historically been limited compared to laptops and handheld game consoles and this faster GPU could open up a new purpose for them. I know games already existed but you could program a game with much better graphics that took advantage of the faster GPU.


RE: Nice!
By nikon133 on 5/30/2012 6:37:43 PM , Rating: 1
S3 is already out. Next iPhone's hardware is still in rumours category.

Under these circumstances, I'm finding it hard to accept that S3 will be catching up. S3 will already be mature product and Samsung will be well into developing S4, or whatever comes next, when iPhone hits the market.

New iPhone might take the crown for a while, or might not. But being the late one, it will be up to iPhone to catch up with S3, not the other way around.


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