quote: My beef with attempting to limit lobbying is that the devil's in the details. If 5 of us band together and call, write, tweet to our Congressman should that be illegal? What if that number is 500? 5,000? 500,000? I contend the answer to all of those is no, as that would be a limit on our freedom.So what if we want to pool our resources and buy a radio ad or maybe a spot on a billboard to endorse a candidate? Or even a position on a particular issue? I see no reason to limit your and my right to express our views to our fellow citizens. If we do limit, where's the line? I think we'd all agree that my group of 5,000 like-minded citizens has the right to assemble at the steps of the Capitol to wave signs, hoot/holler, and voice our opinions. What's the fundamental difference between speaking and buying airtime? Or space in a newspaper, etc.
quote: And if a group of like minded citizens can do that, why can't a corporation? A corporation is, by definition a group of like-minded individuals. Before someone jumps down my throat on this point, I will clarify that the only criteria I'm using is that they all have a vested interest in the company growing and making money. After all, that's a corporation's sole purpose for existence. And so limiting a corporation's ability to fight for itself is nothing more than limiting individuals' right to fight for themselves.
quote: If you want to decrease corruption (you'll never eliminate it), vote out the people who keep abusing the power we've given them. Vote out the people who keep providing handouts to others with your money. Vote out people who continually expand the size/scope of government.
quote: I agree with your assessment that the devil is in the details, however, if you read carefully I never suggested any number of INDIVIDUAL contributions should be disallowed. I merely suggested that any trade union or company should not be allowed to contribute or form PACs. If citizens want to band together and give individual contributions, that's fine.
quote: Corporations have more power than the government
quote: Your lopsided illogical idiocy is showing in flying colors.
quote: [...]I never suggested any number of INDIVIDUAL contributions should be disallowed. I merely suggested that any trade union or company should not be allowed to contribute or form PACs. If citizens want to band together and give individual contributions, that's fine.
quote: An interesting debate, but I feel that voting and political funding should require individual participation versus group decision making.
quote: Likewise, there's no need for "like-minded individuals" within a corporation to pool funding to advertise for a candidate. If these individuals really believed in what the company says they do, they would simply individually contribute. [...] to claim that pooling is necessary to get people to contribute is silly in my opinion.
quote: Kind of hard when corruption breeds profits, corporations are designed to maximize profits and corporations are controlling federal policy via lobbying. That's a closed loop.
quote: Federal officials are elected, in most cases, by the amount of ad-time/media-coverage they receive, which in turn is a reflection on the amount of pork they give out.
quote: It is possible to break such a grip, but the issue is that when both candidates from the two "ruling parties" are accepting cash for pork, it's very hard to organize grassroots support for an honest third party candidate (trust me, I've tried).