quote: Except without lobbying you end up with fascism. You have a pretty convenient view on what "freedom of speech" is, Jason.
quote: Except without lobbying you end up with fascism. You have a pretty convenient view on what "freedom of speech" is, Jason.If you remove lobbying from a political system then the elected officials exist in a vacuum with no information coming from outside sources. Remember charities and NGO's also lobby government (as well as the churches, mosques, temples, big pharma, little pharma, oil, mothers for this or that, fathers for other stuff, governments for war, governments for peace.... this list is endless).
quote: The problem isn't lobbying. It's corrupt elected officials who at best accept bribes/payment to fund an overly expensive electioneering machine. The problem is that lobbying happens with no public over site and now accountability.The problem is more complex than just removing lobbying. Do you really want government making decisions without asking companies advice? The same companies that the government expects to implement strategies?
quote: Say for example the USA predicts a 20% increase in crude oil use over the next 10 years. Where the refineries should go, where the oil is best sourced, how the petrol products are best distributed are all important questions that the oil industry is well placed to help answer. Not dictate of course but their opinion should matter.Without lobbying you put all the power and decision making solely in the hands of a large centralized Government. I guess that sounds like a better deal to you
quote: Every fascist state in history to my knowledge has been formed by some combination of corporate and/or union interference in government, combined with rampant nationalism.
quote: What? Why can't they figure out on their own what benefits the majority of CITIZENS who they supposedly are representing??
quote: Free speech is not a large organization giving money to a candidate or telling their employees how to vote. Again, that is a large organization -- be it a trade union or corporation -- EMPLOYING a politician. Employment is not free speech, as you are often forced to do many things that go against your feelings of what is best or right.
quote: Okay, but if this is in the nation's best interests, what's stopping the politicians from consulting these industry officials WITHOUT lobbyist money?
quote: Free speech is not a large organization giving money to a candidate or telling their employees how to vote.
quote: Employment is not free speech, as you are often forced to do many things that go against your feelings of what is best or right.
quote: You make it sound like employers routinely put guns to their employees heads and threaten to blow their brains out if they don't do exactly what they're told.
quote: When an employer tells you that you're about to be dumped, and your severance pay will be given out only if you train the new off shore person how to do your job, and there's a very low likelihood your can even find any other comparible job, then virtually that's exactly what the employer is doing.