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  (Source: Jason Mick/DailyTech LLC)
Chinese unit is expected to be spared; remaining workers are pressured to "work harder"

Soon, approximately 27,000 workers at Hewlett-Packard Comp. (HPQ) will be out of the job -- almost 8 percent of the company's total staff of 324,000.

HP surprised with better than expected earnings for fiscal Q2 2012, announcing revenue of $30.7B USD, more than the analyst consensus of $29.9B USD.  Profit checked in at $2.3B USD ($1.05 USD/share), more than the $1.02 USD/share analysts predicted.  Optimism in the stronger-than-expected performance was tempered by estimates for the next quarter, which were lower than analysts expected, amid a slump on sales of printers, data-center equipment, and services.

The HP layoff program will be gradually implemented as part of a restructuring that wraps up by October 2014.  The layoffs will be the largest in the company's 73-year history.  News of the painful layoffs leaked last week.

HP has not revealed a precise timeline for when the job cuts will occur, within the 2012-2014 restructuring windows.  However, sources indicate that most of the cuts will likely come in the U.S. and Europe, while the company's Chinese unit -- a major growth target -- will largely be spared.

Meg Whitman
Meg Whitman is thinning the herd at HP, hoping to get the same amount of work out of less engineers. [Image Source: towleroad]

Remaining employees will have to pick up the slack for their departed co-workers under former eBay, Inc. (EBAY) CEO and new HP CEO Meg Whitman's vision for the company.  Still a bit of a silver-lining to this cloudy news is that Ms. Whitman did indicate that some of the $3.5B USD saved would be reinvested in working towards restoring HP Labs to its former glory.

Long a bastion of electronics industry research, HP Labs has continued to do novel work, such as inventing the memristor -- a long theorized circuit element, which could lead to new cheaper, more power-efficient kinds of storage.  However, the cutbacks have forced the star institution to operate on a shoestring budget, raising questions of whether HP will be able to continue to attract top talent.  The situation is so bad at HP Labs, according to The New York Times, that researchers are forced to use pirated software for their day-to-day work.

HP's deep cuts are bad news for its employees -- and U.S. engineers in general who will face greater competition in the jobs market.  However, they're hardly out of place in a post-recession U.S., where many companies have learned that they can boost profits by squeezing the same amount of work out of fewer employees.  That philosphy has helped to stifle job recovery, even as GDP growth has slowly come back to life post-recession.

Sources: Market Watch, Bloomberg, USA Today



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RE: Buy American?
By Nfarce on 5/24/2012 12:02:16 AM , Rating: 2
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quote: Instead of giving money to the government, it turns out more than a few U.S. companies are actually making money off their income taxes. - Huff&Puff


Well yeah, because our government is so fiscally responsible with its money and has regulations like corporations to deal with in fiscal responsibility.

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The average rate? 18.5%. -CNN


And taxing them at what, 40%, 50%, will bring jobs back? What's the number Jason? What's the magic corporate tax rate that will make things "happen" again?

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quote: the United States actually has the lowest corporate tax burden of any of the member nations of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. - CTJ


Well it's all in the perspective:

http://www.businessinsider.com/ireland-bound-eaton...

Keep raising them taxes and watch those jobs come right back!

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Individual taxpayers in the "99 percent category" typically pay 25-30+ percent.


Half of those "99%" pay next to nothing after tax breaks like the EIC while the top 25% pays nearly 90%:

http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.ht...

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Oh poor corporations, how sad of them having to pay a minor fraction of their massive profits compared to what their smaller competitors and individuals pay. Yes, how unfair.


"Profits" are different than profit margins, which is what counts on the books in quarterly earnings reports.

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Don't cry when your job get shipped overseas, praise the glorious corporate machine.


Yep, because government is so great at fiscal responsibility with the money others, and other entities, create.

Seriously, man?


RE: Buy American?
By JasonMick (blog) on 5/24/2012 10:11:09 AM , Rating: 2
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Well yeah, because our government is so fiscally responsible with its money and has regulations like corporations to deal with in fiscal responsibility.
So? I believe in gov't fiscal responsibility.

That is a somewhat separate issue. But bear in mind, corporate donors, trade unions, and large individual donors are essentially controlling the federal gov't via donations, so perceived inefficiency is largely their work.

You are simply highlighting another facet of the problem of special interests, in many ways.
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And taxing them at what, 40%, 50%, will bring jobs back? What's the number Jason? What's the magic corporate tax rate that will make things "happen" again?
That's a pretty misleading wording, in that:
a) It seemingly suggests they're *not* being taxed now (most are)
b) You don't even know what my proposed solution is.

My proposed solution is simple -- a relatively low (20-22 percent) flat tax rate.

I have no problems with lower taxes. I do have a problem with select companies who donated large sums of money to federal candidates receiving much larger tax breaks in return, because that creates a market barrier and is the ultimate form of market tampering.

There is no valid reason why a large corporation should be paying 0% taxes, or even 18 percent taxes, when a small business is paying 35 percent.

Just as there is no valid reason why I should be taxed 30+ percent, when some individual taxpayers are pay 15 percent (ultra-wealthy) or 0 percent (welfare exploiters).

A flat tax is a perfectly fair solution. We can haggle on the precise percentage once it's in place.
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Well it's all in the perspective:

http://www.businessinsider.com/ireland-bound-eaton...

Keep raising them taxes and watch those jobs come right back!
Errr most companies who tax evade located to regions like Luxembourg and Ireland. Does it bring these regions jobs? No. Money perhaps, but not jobs. How many people do you think Google and Apple have working in Luxembourg.

No, the true reality, is that corporations are only interested in getting the cheapest labor. The tax burden of America is hardly what is driving jobs to China. It's more that America has too high a standard of living to produce pleasing profit margins for large institutional investors.
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Half of those "99%" pay next to nothing after tax breaks like the EIC while the top 25% pays nearly 90%:

http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.ht...
Good point.

I agree, welfare exploiters should absolutely be cracked down upon.

That's why I believe in a flat tax. If you don't pay your taxes, with a flat tax it would be much easier to collect. If you can work, you can pay taxes.
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"Profits" are different than profit margins, which is what counts on the books in quarterly earnings reports.
True, but surely you know the two are tied together and to these issues.

Outsourcing jobs to impoverished regions is a handy way to increase margins, while "relocating" in a non-physical sense to a tax-evading region like Ireland is a handy way to bump your profits. It's not rocket science, nor is it rocket science that both business strategies are destructive to American prosperity.
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Yep, because government is so great at fiscal responsibility with the money others, and other entities, create.

Seriously, man?
Again:

When the government is run by special interest groups and corporate donors, its responsibility or lack thereof is a reflection of the owners' responsibility or lack thereof, not of a true citizen-driven government.

To be fair, I don't believe America can have a true citizen-driven government quite yet. Public apathy is still too high as a result of Americans' relatively high standard of living and culture. Things will have to get worse before they get better. I believe America's government in the short term is increasingly trending towards a plutocracy/effective oligarchy.

But I am an optimist in a "long" sense, in that I believe they will get better for mankind in the U.S. and worldwide.


RE: Buy American?
By Dorkyman on 5/24/2012 1:18:56 PM , Rating: 2
Jeez, Jason, this is a pretty ugly side of yourself you're showing here.

(1) You are NOT being "taxed at 30+ percent." That's the MARGINAL rate; your overall rate is probably 15%. Divide the amount of tax you paid last year by your income last year.

(2) You just hate the fact that those fat cats are taxed at just 15%. You do understand, don't you, that those are capital gains, which the government has for a very long time should be taxed at a lower rate in order to encourage investment. Tell you what: you make a crapload of money at your regular job, then after paying regular income tax you take the net proceeds and buy a crapload of stock. Wait a year, then quit your regular job and sell a little stock at a time. Guess what? You too will be paying just 15%! BUT YOU ALREADY PAID AN ORDINARY INCOME TAX RATE WHEN YOU FIRST MADE THE MONEY. This is not rocket science. But it is Class Envy, which Dear Leader loves to foment.

As for a flat tax, I'm with you on that one. But you can see how easy it will be for legislators to start out with a flat tax and then do carve-outs and breaks, in some cases because they are beholden to donors and in other cases simply because they believe certain things should be promoted (such as charitable donations, or --gasp!-- investing in industry).

But enough with the Obama Talking Points, okay?


RE: Buy American?
By JasonMick (blog) on 5/24/2012 5:11:26 PM , Rating: 2
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But enough with the Obama Talking Points, okay?
Huh?

I'm not planning on voting for Obama...
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As for a flat tax, I'm with you on that one. But you can see how easy it will be for legislators to start out with a flat tax and then do carve-outs and breaks, in some cases because they are beholden to donors and in other cases simply because they believe certain things should be promoted (such as charitable donations, or --gasp!-- investing in industry).
"Investing in the industry", like Solyndra and GE, huh?

Sounds like pork to me.

A flat tax is boolean. The second there's exemptions, breaks, loopholes, etc. it is no longer a flat tax in my mind and isn't worth the document it's printed on. You either have a flat tax or you don't. What you describe is not a flat tax.
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(1) You are NOT being "taxed at 30+ percent." That's the MARGINAL rate; your overall rate is probably 15%. Divide the amount of tax you paid last year by your income last year.

(2) You just hate the fact that those fat cats are taxed at just 15%. You do understand, don't you, that those are capital gains, which the government has for a very long time should be taxed at a lower rate in order to encourage investment. Tell you what: you make a crapload of money at your regular job, then after paying regular income tax you take the net proceeds and buy a crapload of stock. Wait a year, then quit your regular job and sell a little stock at a time. Guess what? You too will be paying just 15%!
Clearly for even most members of the upper middle class it is not feasible to stockpile a year's worth of income to make all of your money off of stock sales.

Capital gains is just like any other source of income. It should be taxed on the same flat rate.

I'm pretty sure Obama isn't advocating that. He's advocating some flashy tax hike for some of the ultrawealthy (I'm sure his friends will be exempt), but no change to the corporate tax situation and no semblance of a flat tax. Saying my suggestion is anything close to Obama rhetoric is kinda like me saying you're a Martian.


RE: Buy American?
By JediJeb on 5/24/2012 6:47:54 PM , Rating: 2
Jason I definitely agree with you on the flat tax idea. Every single person should be taxed the exact same percentage not exceptions. If you set the rate at 10%, then if you make $1 this year you owe $0.10 in taxes, if you make $1,000,000 then you owe $100,000. I also think it should be applied to welfare payments and other types of assistance. It sounds counter intuitive but really if the ones receiving the payments never see any tax burden then they are not likely to have a rational voice in tax policy. You see this with the Occupy Wall Street crowd yelling for rich people to pay up while many of them pay little or now taxes and yet many also receive a large cut of what the rich are paying. The financial burden should fall upon every citizen since every citizen is a part of this country and all receive some type of benefit from being a citizen.

Business taxes should be the same, set a flat rate and give no exceptions, all companies pay the same and receive no breaks or incentives. If you set it at a proper rate then they will all be able to handle the tax burden and business will thrive and compete on a level field. The state and local governments should be held to the same rules. That way locations that can afford to give a tax break because they collect more taxes from the people living there or more established business can not use that as an incentive, they must compete on a level field with other locations.


RE: Buy American?
By johnsmith9875 on 5/29/2012 10:42:58 AM , Rating: 2
A flat tax is a nonstarter mainly because it would get rid of all those juicy tax breaks the rich get and they won't give up.

Second of all, flat taxes are highly regressive, punishing consumers and that is economic suicide. Its been long known that supply-side tax cuts never work and consumer-side always works.

Every flat tax plan known increases taxation for the bottom 99% Its a dirty little secret, which is why the pizza candidate had to rewrite his 999 plan because people actually looked at the numbers and said....hey wait a minute. Romney's tax plan will punish the consumer too.


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