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Conversion costs to modify carrier for the F-35C soared

The British government has changed its mind again on some of the F-35 Lightning II fighter jets that it intends to purchase. Unlike Canada, the British aren't considering delaying orders or reducing the number of jets they ordered this time around. Rather, the British government is now announcing that it will switch back to the F-35B short takeoff and vertical landing version of the fighter rather than the F-35C carrier-based version.
The F-35B STOVL fighter was originally the version that the British intended to purchase, but delays and fears of the program being canceled after the U.S. put the B variant on probation led to the British deciding to use the F-35C instead. Recent improvements to the program have led to the fighter being removed from probation, and its future is looking better.
According to British Defense Secretary Philip Hammond, the plan to purchase the carrier-based F-35 versions was killed due to what he calls an unacceptable cost. Delays in the plan to convert the carrier to handle the F-35C had also mounted. According to Hammond, an estimate to convert one British carrier had doubled from the original $1.6 billion to an amount roughly twice that. One British defense official blames the U.S. for that cost increase.
According to the unnamed official, the United States had insisted that the UK purchase the required Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System or EMALS directly through a government-to-government foreign military sales (FMS) deal rather than allowing the British to purchase directly from the manufacturer. That requirement allegedly added about 150M pounds or about 7% to the cost of obtaining the EMALS system.

The British government expects flight testing for the F-35B to begin in 2018 while initial operational capability will commence in 2020. 

Source: DefenseNews

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RE: navalised typhoon
By Reclaimer77 on 5/14/2012 3:31:52 PM , Rating: 2
Wait, did I miss a Rafale update where they added some RAM composites? I admit I don't sit and research exotic fighters like the Rafale much. But the most recent data I could find suggests:

Typhoon RCS = 0.05~0.1 m2
Rafale RCS = 0.1~0.3 m2

That was back in 2005. If they've improved the Rafale with more ARM composites and coatings since then, I wasn't aware of it. Certainly didn't mean to post FUD on the Rafale.

The Rafale has easily the lowest RCS of any in-service fighter bar the F-22.

lol that's exactly what Eurofighter says about the Typhoon! Damnit I'm gonna have to dig into this now and satisfy my own curiosity.

But again, since both fighters have no internal stores the RCS of either in actual combat trim would be 10 or 20 times those numbers. Which goes back to my point about pushing 4'th gen fighter designs in the age of stealth might be unwise.

RE: navalised typhoon
By Amiga500 on 5/15/2012 2:04:03 AM , Rating: 2
In the original Rafale design phase, Dassault developed a semi-stealthy variant of the Rafale, the Rafale D (Discret/discrete). This D model became the baseline for the B, C and M.

If you take a close look at some features, such as the serpentine engine ducts which mostly hide the engine face, or the serrated edges on the wing sub-structure under the skin at the wing trailing edge (you can actually see it in the skin) - it becomes apparent Dassault have paid more than mere lip service to throwing on RAM.

There has been much talk of the Rafale's SPECTRA system, including abilities to damp out hostile radar waves. Supposedly somewhat analogous to active cancellation.

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