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Hot Lumia 900 phone may receive WP8 update, after all; Nokia's WP7.5 PureView 808 41 megapixel coming to U.S.

After a brutal year which saw investor faith in its board and executive leadership waivering, Finnish phonemaker Nokia Oyj (OMX:NOK1V) finally has some good news to report.  The company has at last wrapped its head around the U.S. carrier model, and is showing strong early gains for its troubles.

I. Tasting Success -- Nokia Sees Wild Lumia 900 Demand

The U.S. is the world's second largest smartphone market behind only China, but the U.S. remains the world's largest phone market in revenue.  Unlike some foreign markets where customers tend to seek out product on their own and buy unlocked handsets, most U.S. customers come in to the phone store not knowing much about the products (other than what little they've seen in television ads).  Thus it's up to the carriers to tell them what products they might want.

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), maker of the Windows Phone 7 smartphone operating system which Nokia uses, suffered badly from this scheme.  Due in part to lacking outreach to carriers, most carriers who had Windows Phones made no effort to sell them, versus the Apple, Inc. (AAPL) iPhones and Android flagship phones which they trumpeted to customers.

Of course, part of the problem might have been that they did not have a Windows Phone worth selling.  Most hardware makers like Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) relegated more demure designs to Windows Phone, while saving their most eye-catching products for Android.

But Nokia changed that, when it launched the eye-catching Lumia 900.  Thanks to a strong commitment from America's second largest carrier, AT&T, Inc. (T), customers began to hear about a "new" operating system -- Windows Phone.

Lumia 900 in Hand (3/6)
Nokia can't keep up with cyan Lumia 900 demand. [©: Jason Mick/DailyTech LLC]
 
Nokia U.S. President Chris Weber confirms in a PC Magazine interview, that sales of the Lumia 900 are so strong that Nokia is facing something it hasn't faced in a long time globally -- or perhaps ever in the U.S. -- it can't keep up with demand.

States Mr. Weber, "Demand has been outstripping supply for the first couple of weeks, and we've been working hard to rectify that.  The demand for cyan [phones] is significantly outpacing supply. When you give people something different from a design perspective—colors, etc. —it really stands out, and consumers want that."

II. Nokia's Followup, PureView 808, Will Land Shortly in the U.S.

At last tasting success and eyeing a recovery in its post-Symbian era, Nokia isn't content to rest on that success.  Mr. Weber confirms that the Windows Phone variant of the PureView 808 will soon arrive in the U.S.  He comments, "We'll figure out a way to make that available in the U.S. in the next couple of months."
Nokia PureView
The Nokia PureView 808 [Image Source: Nokia; Modifications: Jason Mick/DailyTech]

Mr. Weber says the early plan is to sell it unlocked to customers.  The phone will be a HSPA+ design, compatible with AT&T's network.

If Nokia is wise, it will try to work out an arrangement with AT&T to feature the unlocked handset in AT&T stores.  

Like the cyan Lumia 900 the PureView 808 is an eye-catching design.  In a market full of bland, relatively uniform handsets, the PureView 808 is an exception to the rule.  It's slender, but at its crest, a bulbous camera module rises up from the smooth back-face.  

The camera is a 41 megapixel design, and the sensor itself is estimated to be 4-5x the size of the sensor found in the Apple iPhone 4S, one of the largest sensors in a currently available handset.

III. Verizon and Nokia Appear to be in Talks

But Nokia's fragile young sucess needs a key element to grow -- access to America's largest carrier Verizon Wireless.  Verizon -- a joint venture between Verizon Communications Inc. (VZ) and Vodafone Group Plc. (LON:VOD) -- has warmed to the Windows Phone ecosystem in recent months, surely taking note of AT&T's strong commitment and the distinctive new Nokia designs.

Mr. Weber states, "We're not making any announcements, but we understand the importance of Verizon and we're working hard to make that a reality."

Verizon Banner
[Image Source: Hot Cell Phones]

In other words, Nokia and Verizon are in talks -- not terribly surprising given that Verizon recently called Windows Phone a key "third ecosystem".  Verizon's adoption of Android helped propel the platform from 1 percent market share in 2009 to roughly 50 percent of U.S. phone sales last year.  Now it may give Windows Phone a similar boost.

The PureView 808 seems the most logical choice for an exclusive handset, given that it's Nokia's highest profile handset other than the Lumia 900, which can be safely assumed to be an AT&T exclusive for the time being.  Even if Nokia could slide its way out of exclusivity with AT&T, it still is barely keeping up with that carrier's sales, so a Verizon Lumia 900 seems less likely than a Verizon PureView 808.

IV. Lumia 900 May Receive Windows Phone 8 Update

Now that Nokia is starting to see Windows Phone success, it must also beware burning bridges with its new customers.  In that regard their was much alarm that the company might be denying Lumia 900 an upgrade to Windows Phone 8 or "Apollo" as it's codenamed.

In reality, this speculation may prove unfounded.

Hardware-wise there's no clear reason why the Lumia 900 or PureView 808 would be incapable of handling the new operating system.  And it's important to bear in mind that for all the rumors, Windows Phone 8 has not been officially announced by Microsoft.  The only confirmation of any kind comes from third parties like Sprint Nextel Corp. (S) and Leap Wireless Internation, Inc.'s (LEAP) carrier subsidy Cricket, both of whom expressed enthusiasm about the upcoming platform.

Windows Phone 8 is -- according to these rumors or leaks -- going to land in September or October.

Microsoft and Nokia are mum on the release.  But Mr. Weber did give a comment that leaves hope that Nokia may provide an upgrade path for users.  He comments, "Both Nokia and Microsoft understand the importance for consumers to keep their devices fresh and updated. Without any announcements being made, we're working to make sure people have fresh and updated experiences on any device they may have."
 
So if the time comes and Nokia denies customers an update, perhaps then its fair to grouse.  But for now, Mr. Weber's words suggest that customers and potential buyers should follow the famous advice of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy -- "Don't panic."

Source: PC Magazine



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RE: Wild demand?
By sprockkets on 5/13/2012 12:24:09 AM , Rating: 0
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There should have been enough Android fans that want the most powerful and newest phone out there?


Is that a question?

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After all dont Android fans brag about how many Androids sell and how little the Windows Phone sells?


No, everyone but Wp7 users brag about how much your platform never sold. Does it hurt you to know that there were more WM6.5 phones sold late last year than all WP7 phones? Does it hurt you to know that the N9 sold just as much without any real marketing push, and no US sales through carriers?How pathetic is that. Your own report from above has the N8 outselling Nokia's WP7 phones in Russia, a phone came out nearly 2 years ago.

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I think the shine of Android is starting to wear off.

Sure, and what, 20+ million Galaxy S2 and 6 million Galaxy Note phones say otherwise.

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The specs are great no doubt but the execution is poor as everyone rushes out too many devices instead of making polished ones.


There are polished ones and not polished ones. Nokia's 900 phone came with two bugs causing them to offer a $100 refund. Apple's iphone had power issues. The HTC phones had wifi issues or sms issues.

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You think those cheap tablet knockoffs are helping Androids image?

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Microsoft is what Android should be and act like. Its probably why Google is going to make their own low cost tablet soon.


It probably has more to do with the fact that people want ipads since it's apple.

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This is why Microsoft wont allow the cheapo brands to make Windows Phones because they lack quality and the experience in making quality devices and the experience would be lousy ruining the overall name and that happening to Android.


So which cheapo phone is running the Android "experience"? They all have the same specs that all windows phone have, like 1ghz processors. But hey, that Nokia 700 has good feedback compared to the same android phones!

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Ill even go so far to say that the top quality manufacturers are releasing too many Android devices way too quickly and not putting the polish on them they should so Android as a whole is getting worse and ruining what they started.


Yes, you've said that like 5 times now.

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Its like people buying knockoff name brand ram, cd-rom drives the cheapest cd media and motherboards from companies that no one ever heard of and then saying Windows sucks. Thats whats happening to Android.


Agreed, and yet it still sells like crazy. Must burn you so much inside.

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Nokia makes great devices, Windows Phone 7 is an Excellent OS it makes sense that they are selling really well because Quality and for $50.00 is freaking awesome. I wont be surprised if this is the combination that finally starts to steal people away from the iPhone.


What makes you think the Nokia 900 should sell for the same price as the 700 series? What makes you think they are going to make any money doing so?

MS and Nokia have poured in around 600 million dollars now trying to get this platform off the ground. MS spent a billion alone for Nokia. Att spent 32 million just for the Nokia 900. And all you have to show for it is one phone that the CEO won't release any sales stats for it.

Dude, why even mention Android - Apple just sold 35 million iphones in the last quarter, and 72 million 4s in the past 6 months. Everyone looks like crap compared to them. Hell, they make nearly all the profit too.

Look, I like Android, it works for me, but I'd rather have Maemo or something like it. It's dead now, and not coming back.

I know you are DailyTech's biggest WP7 fan. If it works great for you, enjoy! I'm not going to stop people from buying stuff they should get. Personally I've been burned before with MS and I'm not going to give them another dime for the sht they pulled for the past 17 years (but I just bought their BT keyboard and mouse for my HTC Sensation phone so I'm not that anal about it either). Google isn't a saint either, but they still are nowhere near what MS did.


RE: Wild demand?
By Mitch101 on 5/13/2012 10:40:46 AM , Rating: 2
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Personally I've been burned before with MS and I'm not going to give them another dime for the sht they pulled for the past 17 years

I think that sums up you right there nothing Microsoft ever produces will be good to you so anyone interested in a Microsoft product must be wrong too.

I love my X-Box 360 and even my original X-Box sure the PS2 had more titles but I did so much more with my original X-Box that its still used in my Arcade cabinet. Yet everyone laughed when Microsoft said they were coming with a game console and I bet you were the type that was screaming you saw it blue screened in Walmarts across the nation which wasn't true trying to convince anyone who would listen not to buy it because it will have problems or just that you hate Microsoft for some unknown reasons.

Microsoft has a great product in the Windows Phone device. Its different and works great to this day I have never had to reboot the device its ROCK SOLID. It must be 15 months now not a single reboot required with the Windows Phone how amazing is that?


RE: Wild demand?
By sprockkets on 5/13/2012 11:10:05 AM , Rating: 2
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I think that sums up you right there nothing Microsoft ever produces will be good to you so anyone interested in a Microsoft product must be wrong too.


You make it seem like it would be hard for me to back that up with facts.

WP7 is the first phone MS ever made that was worth buying. Now, consider that fact, why after only years and years and years did they finally bother to make a decent phone OS? Was it competition? Apple's ideas?

Let's just focus on one factor: the browser. Up until WM6.5, it was stuck with IE4. That browser couldn't even do much back in 2005, let alone 2009. Why didn't they update it all those years? I guess they didn't give a crap. Only when the iphone put it to shame did they bother updating the browser on it - too little too late. Sad too, since right before the iphone came out, a lot of people started to buy WM smartphones.

MS's common theme is this: They get things right on the 3rd try. The first try sucks, the 2nd is what the first should have been, but still not up to par, then the 3rd is actually worth buying. The Zune, their a/v product, Vista, WM6.5 to WP7 to WP7 7.5, the xbox, XP to XPsp1 to XPsp2, I could go on and on.

That, is why I left MS years ago.

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I love my X-Box 360 and even my original X-Box sure the PS2 had more titles but I did so much more with my original X-Box that its still used in my Arcade cabinet. Yet everyone laughed when Microsoft said they were coming with a game console and I bet you were the type that was screaming you saw it blue screened in Walmarts across the nation which wasn't true trying to convince anyone who would listen not to buy it because it will have problems or just that you hate Microsoft for some unknown reasons.


Well, after losing hundreds of millions on it and with the RRoD debacle, uh, yeah, again, I have empirical reasons for not buying it. Yet, I never told anyone to not get that console. Maybe if they came out with Kinect from day one I'd say they had some innovation, but let's fact it, Nintendo and their "gimmick" sure did stir things up a bit.

I'd rather play Rock Band on an Xbox than a Wii too, btw. I'd never buy the original console because it sounds like a jet engine during play.

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Microsoft has a great product in the Windows Phone device. Its different and works great to this day I have never had to reboot the device its ROCK SOLID. It must be 15 months now not a single reboot required with the Windows Phone how amazing is that?


I don't know, I never have to reboot my HTC Sensation either! I won't deny that others have issues with Android, but I guess I'm lucky or whatever.

Personally I find the whole UI of the phone repulsive. Obviously you don't.


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