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IGP is faster than Sandy Bridge, but well behind AMD; power savings to be key amid higher prices

Today Intel Corp. (INTC) is reportedly launching (according to reports by Electronista and BBC News) its third-generation of Core i-Series processors, code-named Ivy Bridge.  The launch comes just over a year and four months after the introduction of Sandy Bridge, which was launched at the 2011 Consumer Electronics Show.

I. Third-Generation Core i-Series Chips Announced a Bit Earlier Than Expected

Ivy Bridge brings a new integrated graphics processor (IGP), a 22 nm die-shrink, new power-saving 3D FinFET transistors, and long-overdue native USB 3.0 support.

The arrival of Ivy Bridge is a bit of a pleasant surprise.  While it was reportedly complete and ready in January, low demand from OEMs reportedly pushed the launch date backwards.  Rumor had it that the launch would be pushed all the way to June, but here we are with 13 Ivy Bridge chips reportedly ready to ship.

There's been no official press releases from Intel, thus far, and prices/models have not gone live on, Inc. (AMZN) or  It is not immediately clear when these parts will be available.

Ivy Bridge
A colorized die-shot of Intel's third generation Core i-Series CPU. [Image Source: BBC News]

Intel's PC business chief, Kirk Skaugen, told the BBC, "The momentum around the system design is pretty astonishing.  There are more than 300 mobile products in development and more than 270 different desktops, many of which are all-in-one designs.  This is the world's first 22 nanometre product and we'll be delivering about 20% more processor performance using 20% less average power."

Intel reportedly has three factories fully upgraded to the 22 nm process and churning out Ivy Bridge chips, with a fourth coming online later this year.  States Mr. Skaugen,  "This is Intel's fastest ramp ever.  There will be 50% more supply than we had early in the product cycle of our last generation, Sandy Bridge, a year ago. And we're still constrained based on the amount of demand we're seeing in the marketplace."

The world's largest chipmaker's marketing of the chip -- aimed at its much touted "ultrabooks" -- revolves around the power-saving benefits of the die shrink and new 3D transistor gate design.  Lauds Mr. Skaugen, "A lot of people had thought that Moore's law was coming to an end.  What Intel has been able to do is instead of just shrinking the transistor in two dimensions, we have been able to create a three-dimensional transistor for the first time.  For the user, that means the benefits of better performance and energy use will continue for as far as Intel sees on the road map."

II. More Questions Than Answers

But there are many unanswered questions about Ivy Bridge.  First, there's the question of its supposed strength -- power consumption.  Competitor Advanced Micro Device, Inc. (AMD) just unleashed a power-sipping pair of system-on-a-chip designs dubbed Trinity and Brazos 2.0.  While the AMD chips are built on a more power hungry 32 nm process, they are also expected to feature less-powerful CPU cores.  Who comes out on top power-wise is still up in the air -- Intel clearly has the process lead, but AMD's slimmer cores may close that gap, while delivering superior pricing.

And that's not to mention the waiting ranks of ARM chipmakers like Qualcomm, Inc. (QCOM) who are preparing their chips, such as the Snapdragon 4 series, for Windows 8 laptops.  Like AMD, they are built on a bigger feature size, but include more lightweight cores.  Additionally, ARM chips enjoy certain architectural advantages from a power perspective versus Intel and AMD's x86 chips.

Who comes out on top of the power battle will likely not be decided until October or November, when the ARM designs launch in mass, and Intel/AMD's respective lineups have had time to flesh out and be thoroughly benchmarked.

The other major question is graphics.  While the HD 3000 IGP inside Sandy Bridge was a step forward for Intel, it was also nearly twice as slow as the IGP found in AMD's Llano chips.  Intel is touting Ivy Bridge's HD 4000 IGP as a major advance performance-wise.  In some talks it's bragged of 2 or more times increase in performance -- but other reports indicate a more conservative 60 percent (on average) performance bump.

Early reviews [example] are not looking good for Intel on the IGP front, as they show the chip unable to beat AMD's last generation design, and posting 50 percent (less than promised) gains in real world games and 80 percent gains in synthetic benchmarks.  While there's a need for more careful analysis (Anandtech's thorough review is on the way -- teaser here.), it appears that Ivy Bridge may be DirectX 11 compatible, but will need to be paired with a discrete GPU (unlike AMD's design) to have acceptable gaming.

With AMD's Trinity boasting a reportedly much-improved hybrid design incorporating elements of AMD's HD 6000 and HD 7000 series of discrete graphics chips, Intel's hopes of winning the IGP war this round are all but over.

III. Can Intel Sell Customers on Twice-as-Expensive Ultrabook Designs?

Likewise, it's anyone's guess how the IGPs inside high-end laptop-ready ARM chips will stack up to Intel's offerings in Windows 8 benchmarks.

If there's one safe bet, it will be that the new Intel chips will be more-powerful CPU-wise on a per-core basis than its competitors.  The compelling question, though is whether that will matter enough to consumers to overlook the chips' relatively high price point.

The initial launch is expected to feature 13 pricier quad-core models, according to BBC News.  These chips will fall under the Core i5 and Core i7 monikers.  The lineup will only be fleshed out with single-core and dual-core (Core i3, i5) models later this spring.

Intel Ultrabooks are expected to be $800 to $1,000 USD.  By contrast, AMD is promising sub-$500 USD ultrathins.  ARM notebooks are expected to debut at a similar price -- or even lower.  The price difference reportedly stems largely from the higher unit prices for Intel's chip + chipset solution and the potentially weaker IGP, which necessitates a low-end discrete GPU, in many cases.  In other words, don't necessarily expect a $900 USD Intel Ultrabook to be any higher build quality than a $500 AMD ultrathin.

If AMD can beat Intel in graphics-enabled applications such as Adobe Systems Inc.'s (ADBE) Photoshop CS6 and various games, the question is what if any good Intel's much more powerful CPU cores are for laptop users.  Likely only browsers (think intense multi-tab sessions) and a handful of other apps might perform better on Intel's more powerful CPUs.  But the question is whether winning in "some cases" is enough to convince customers to pay nearly twice as much.

Trinity in the wild 

Trinity in the wild
Intel is facing fierce competition from AMD, whose Trinity (center). is expected to outperform Ivy Bridge graphically, while being featured in laptops that are nearly half the cost of Ivy Bridge ultrabooks. [Image Source: Jason Mick/DailyTech LLC]

For that reason it's little wonder that Intel is hyping power consumption so much.  Power is a must-win scenario for Intel in the laptop space.  Utility in mobile devices is still heavily dictated by battery life.  If Intel can beat AMD from a power perspective, it will make a compelling case for its pricier chips.

Intel is already looking ahead to its architectural makeover in the 2013 Haswell, promising even more power advances.  States Mr. Skaugen, "We are targeting 20 times better battery life on standby - always on, always connected.  So you can get all your files and emails downloaded onto your PC while it's in your bag, and still get more than 10 days of standby and all-day battery life."

The veteran will need to deliver big on those promises in the face of intense competition, or it could face extinction in the mobile space it has long dominated.

Sources: BBC News, Electronista

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RE: Is this statement for real?
By JasonMick on 4/25/2012 11:20:13 AM , Rating: 1
I think this article should be written by a person who understands the market a bit more.
I think I understand the market pretty well -- you didn't read my article very carefully, though clearly.
Honestly, how many laptop users use PS-CS6 or play "intensive" games on the laptops? Casual gamers would love better battery life than better graphics (may not be true for all, but for most!)
And that's not the argument I made. If you read what I wrote carefully and thoroughly you would realize that I said that the biggest advantage AMD has is price.

IVB laptops are targeting a $800-$1000 USD price point, where as Trinity laptops are targeting a $500 price point.

To my knowledge those figures do not represent a clear difference in build quality, it's largely attributed to higher CPU and chipset costs, plus the cost of a discrete GPU for the Intel ultrathin.

We'll have to see when the dust settles how the true pricing stacks up, but if AMD's claims are to be believed (and I've heard some OEMs back them up, unofficially), it may be very well positioned price wise.

Surely you acknowledge that price is a key decider in consumer purchases?
IVB graphics are at par with most low-end graphics cards. IVB media functionality surpasses all the discrete cards (far more superior to AMD's transcode solution). I am guessing that's more important than casual gaming.

Let's see other than browsing, office (productivity), coding (might be only a few, but still there), music, watching videos, running apps, cloud services, etc etc... WTH, I see that all of them require a better CPU than a better graphics.
Again, I don't understand why you're dwelling on the graphics.

The point is the pricing on the Intel models is expected to be quite high. A disadvantage graphics-wise is just icing on the cake.

If Intel can win power-wise, it stands a chance, otherwise, I think you could agree that with a much higher price, but equal or lesser battery life, it would likely not sell well.

I have not seen in-depth Trinity v. IVB battery life benchmarks yet, so I'm not sure exactly how they'll stack up. Seems like IVB would win, but I have no clue by how much or if that's even the case.

That is my point, hope I clarified matters for you. Next time please rta.

RE: Is this statement for real?
By vignyan on 4/25/2012 1:45:42 PM , Rating: 2
I did rta Jason :-)

I did not cover the points covered by others in the comments. While the pricing part and build qualities are speculative, its moot to assume in favor of something just yet. I do favor lower pricing, but not at the cost of quality. And mind you, AMD carefully mentions it as ultrathins, which might mean that they need not meet the restrictions placed by Intel on Ultra books.

Why are you assuming that Intel would be paired with a discrete gpu? There is no significant evidence for that with the present ultra books. That comes to your comment. I specifically quoted the statement that was in question here. But seems like you diverted the comment to the entire article. Sorry if you took offense. My response was for the quoted statement. You need to be more careful with your sensationalism. :-)

Also, why is Intel a two chip solution and not AMD? I don't think AMD has integrated analog phys on to the CPU. That would make the processor much more expensive. Am I missing something here?

RE: Is this statement for real?
By blandge on 4/25/2012 11:28:30 PM , Rating: 3
If AMD can beat Intel in graphics-enabled applications such as Adobe Systems Inc.'s (ADBE) Photoshop CS6 and various games

The performance gap between Llano and Intel is with AMD's best DESKTOP chip. You're comparing a 130W part (Llano) to a 77W part (IVB) and then saying that AMD has a clear advantage in laptops. How you came to this conclusion is beyond me. When was the last time you saw a 130W CPU in a laptop? Or even a 77W part for that matter. Let me quote an article I read earlier

Actual product level performance depends on pricing, binning and the market. For instance, Intel has an edge for very low power designs due to process technology. The 22nm FinFETs are exceptionally efficient at low voltage and it is likely that Ivy Bridge will match Trinity for 17W designs. At 25-35W for conventional notebooks, Intel should trail by around 20%, which is close enough to be competitive.

So this means that in the 17W ultra low voltage space, Ultrabooks and Ultrathins, you are looking at the same graphics performance and MASSIVELY different CPU performance. You may be paying $200+ for a Ultrabook, but you are going to get a quality machine with great battery life, cpu performance, and competitive graphics. AMD's offerings will be inferior in almost every way.

the question is what if any good Intel's much more powerful CPU cores are for laptop users.

Businesses use laptops for productivity. This includes things like Microsoft Office, browsers, compilers and other tools. Ivy Bridge will do all of these things much faster. Every respectable business issues laptops to their employees, and I can assure you that very few of them are going to spring for fusion graphics so their employees can play BF3 during work hours.

In addition, IVB graphics are good enough to play 1080p video and many games at decent frame rates. I think that's good enough for a facebook/netflix machine.

That being said, I agree that price is probably the most important factor in the consumer laptop market. You have make a good point, but then go on to make some very sensationalist claims about performance with poor, and in some cases incorrect technical reasoning. Either do more research or just don't include these in your article.

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