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  (Source: boston.com)
A Marine review board has recommended the dismissal

A United States Marine may be dismissed from the military for posting negative comments about U.S. President Barack Obama on Facebook.

Gary Stein, 26, a meteorologist at Camp Pendleton, posted on Facebook that he refused to follow orders given by Obama. These comments were posted on a Facebook page called the Armed Forces Tea Party.

This isn't Stein's first bout of trouble in the military. The Marine, who has served almost nine years including a tour of duty in Iraq, also got in trouble for comments that he posted on the Armed Forces Tea Party page back in 2010. At that point, he was simply told to put a disclaimer on the page saying that it was in no way affiliated with the U.S. military.

But this time, the Marines believe Stein has gone too far. After posting that he refused to follow Obama's orders, Stein later removed the comments saying that he meant only unlawful orders.

Now, a Marine Corps review board has ruled that Stein should be dismissed with a less-than-honorable discharge for his Facebook comments. This decision came after a 13-hour hearing and one hour deliberation by the board.

This recommendation will be sent to Brigadier General Daniel Yoo, who is commanding general of the Marine Corps Recruiting Depot. He is then expected to make a decision regarding Stein's fate within 30 days.

The Marines are taking Stein's actions very seriously, considering the fact that Marines take an oath to defend the Constitution and obey the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which means Marines cannot partake in political activities while in uniform.

Stein was due to either re-enlist or end his enlistment at the end of July.

This particular case is just another reminder that social media is being watched very closely by overheads such as employers and schools. For instance, employees and applicants at the Maryland Department of Corrections were forced to hand over their Facebook emails and passwords so that employers could take a look at their employees' private lives. Later, the government simply asked employees to log into their Facebook pages right in front of them. In addition, an Indiana high school student was recently expelled for posting foul language on Twitter, even though he supposedly tweeted it from home.

Source: Reuters



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RE: Should know better
By Reclaimer77 on 4/9/2012 12:32:00 PM , Rating: -1
Yeah right, you wouldn't be saying that if the President was a Republican. In fact if that were the case, this guy wouldn't even be getting discharged. This happened many times under Bush I'm sure, I don't recall hearing about people getting discharged over it.

The people that live and die so our free speech is protected shouldn't have less freedom of speech than we do. That's absurd.

Military servicemen take an oath to the Constitution and the country, NOT the President.


RE: Should know better
By FITCamaro on 4/9/2012 1:38:18 PM , Rating: 2
While I agree with you Reclaimer, unfortunately those are not the rules.


RE: Should know better
By Drizzt321 on 4/9/2012 2:03:17 PM , Rating: 5
You're missing the part of the oath that it says we (I'm a Vet) obey the President:

"...I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

Literally saying he won't follow orders (even just 'some') is prejudicial to good order and discipline, and is a very, very serious offense. If he said "this order I won't obey and don't believe it's lawful", ok, he should go to his commanding officer and get it worked out. Most especially, he should not say things like that in a public forum. We get briefed all the time on things like this, so I have no sympathy with this guy.


RE: Should know better
By Spuke on 4/9/2012 3:25:42 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Literally saying he won't follow orders (even just 'some') is prejudicial to good order and discipline, and is a very, very serious offense.
Ding! Ding! Ding!


RE: Should know better
By Reclaimer77 on 4/9/12, Rating: 0
RE: Should know better
By twhittet on 4/9/2012 7:06:16 PM , Rating: 2
Now you just hold on a minute. You can't turn something someone said on Facebook into a criminal act. So I could make threats to individuals or a group - but as far as I know, it doesn't count because it's just a comment on Facebook!

Oh....wait.......

Saying "it was just a dumb Facebook comment" doesn't excuse the stupidity.


RE: Should know better
By Reclaimer77 on 4/9/2012 8:02:47 PM , Rating: 1
Nice straw man.


RE: Should know better
By ritualm on 4/10/2012 6:17:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yes you can. It's Facebook, not an AOL chatroom. If you want to post your tactless opinions as a service member and not get backhanded, you go anonymous or use an ambiguous handle . He did neither.

He made a comment that he refuses to follow orders - if you are his superior would you want him in your platoon? That alone is serious grounds for dismissal, but he clearly stated he will not follow (President) Obama's orders... when he was clearly sworn into the oath that he will follow the President's orders?

What partisan politics? You're an idiot.

Lesson learned: if you're going to criticize the boss in charge, anon is your friend.


RE: Should know better
By Bostlabs on 4/10/2012 7:10:36 PM , Rating: 2
Facebook is public (at least from what I've read about him posting his statements). He publicly stated that he will not follow the orders of the commander in chief.

He might as well been standing in front of Obama and saying "FU!" (I wouldn't mind doing that sometimes but I'm no longer an active Marine. :) )

That isn't done. And he KNEW it isn't done but did it anyway. I can't tell you how many times it was drilled into our head while I was in the Corps.

He screwed up and now he is no longer a Marine. And rightly so. Now he can speak freely on whatever he wants but now as a civilian.


RE: Should know better
By FaaR on 4/10/2012 10:09:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah right, you wouldn't be saying that if the President was a Republican. In fact if that were the case, this guy wouldn't even be getting discharged.

Right, because you have both soothsaying and mindreading mental powers, and therefore know how people will act in an alternative fictional universe. You're so fulla crud you even believe your own offal you're spouting.

quote:
This happened many times under Bush I'm sure, I don't recall hearing about people getting discharged over it.

If it happened so many times why don't you mention some of them? Maybe the reason you didn't hear about it is because they DIDN'T HAPPEN? But no, I'm sure you never even considered that. In your mind, it's all evil Barack Osama Bin Laden's fault. You loonie.

quote:
The people that live and die so our free speech is protected shouldn't have less freedom of speech than we do. That's absurd.

To use your own method of rethoric, I might counter that with you wouldn't be saying that if it was a Republican in the White House; then you'd condemn this sort of behavior like Rush Limbaugh attacking a birth control pill-popping college student... Everybody knows this is true. Lol!

It's easily argued that claiming in public you won't be following your commander-in-chief's orders is detrimental to general troop morale, if not borderline treasonous. You don't join up to the military if you're not willing to take the consequences of that action.

quote:
Military servicemen take an oath to the Constitution and the country, NOT the President.

Well, they do in fact swear an oath to the president, so not sure exactly what you're on about, other than your general spiel of "Obama is evil, nobody should have to follow him" and so on that you're usually on about.


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