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New premium SUV is packed with Ford's high-tech features, options

The beloved SUV is finally starting to shed its "gas guzzler" distinction, thanks to vehicles like the new 2013 Explorer SUV from Ford Motor Comp. (F).  Ford unveiled this morning its upgraded model, which brings a new marquee submodel, the Ford Explorer Sport.

Ford has been putting a lot of pressure on fellow automakers with its premium package consumer vehicles, which often offer features sets that are quite competitive with its rivals' luxury brand vehicles.

The Explorer Sport has been empowered with Ford's twin-turbocharged, gasoline direct injection (GDI) equipped "Ecoboost" branded V6 engine, which previously popped up in the 2010 Ford Taurus SHO, the 2010 Ford Flex, the 2011 F-150, and a pair of Lincoln branded vehicles (the MKS and MKT).

Ford did not list the exact horespower of its latest tuned Ecoboost V6, but it's expected to deliver over 350 hp, while offering up 16 mpg city, 25 mpg highway.  

Ford Explorer

Ford says that's anticipated to be 3/2 mpg better (city/highway, respectively) than Chrysler's Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango R/T with 5.7L Hemi engines, and 3/4 mpg better than the Land Rover Range Rover Sport (Land Rover is a Tata Motor Comp. (BSE:500570) subsidiary previously owned by Ford).

Aside from beating its rivals by double digit percentages in the fuel economy department, the new SUV is rated to tow up to 5,000 pounds.

Ford Explorer 2

The model also comes with special new trim and the rejuvenated distribution of MyFord Touch, which was added to the base Explorer model in 2011.  The vehicle also has a high-tech set of options, which include Active Park Assist (APS), Blind Spot Information System (BLIS), and Push Button Start.

In July of last year, Ford introduced a "lesser" four-cylinder EcoBoost version of the Explorer.

Source: Ford

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RE: This is good?
By ShoePuke on 3/28/2012 9:41:41 PM , Rating: 2
Why didn't they compare to BMW x5d... because there is no comparison. I have documented getting a best of 29.4mpg on long runs on the hwy (avg. on hwy 27-28), and combined driving avg. 23-24 over the last 16 months (worst tank was 21.2mpg). These are not Imperial gallons either. Man I love diesel... 5000# curb weight, 425 of torque... RRAARRGGHH.

RE: This is good?
By Spuke on 3/28/2012 11:16:50 PM , Rating: 2
Why didn't they compare to BMW x5d
Because the X5d is a diesel?

RE: This is good?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/29/2012 1:49:05 AM , Rating: 2
And let's compare the price of the x5D to an Explorer Sport shall we? lol. Gee I wonder why they didn't directly compare the two...

RE: This is good?
By chucky2 on 3/29/2012 12:49:44 PM , Rating: 2
OK? They will require AWD for the 3.5L TT EB. A "4x4" Explorer Limited with the most expensive package (which will likely get it into BMW territory) puts the Explorer at 46000. That's with the normal 3.5L V-6. Now add on the TT EB cost, and the rest of the Sport package cost. You'll be closer to $50k than $40k.

The x5d is $56k.

Unless you are right on the edge, anyone who is dropping $50k for a Ford should be able to 'stretch' and make $56k for a BMW. I'm a Ford guy, from a Ford household, and I know which I'd rather be driving...

RE: This is good?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/29/2012 1:43:07 PM , Rating: 2
LMAO! $56k BASE MSRP. Meaning absolutely NO options or accessories. In reality that vehicle doesn't exist. I've never heard of a BMW dealership stocking a BASE model vehicle with no options. And people certainly don't crawl over themselves to buy them.

You're trying to compare a bone stock BMW that doesn't exist in the wild to a Explorer with a ton of options and packages stacked on? Yeah that's really fair. Let's see what happens to your "$56K" BMW once we do the same...

Hmm an $83k X5d is what I put together. With typical packages and options etc etc that you would find on on a showroom.

RE: This is good?
By chucky2 on 3/29/2012 2:50:09 PM , Rating: 2
That's awesome that you loaded out an x5d. Now load out an Explorer and x5d as equally as possible. Now tack on for the 3.5L TT EB in the Explorer. Now the extras in the Sport package. Now realize you're driving a Ford Explorer when you could be driving a BMW x5d for just a few thousand more. (be sure to factor in free maintenance while under warranty for the BMW)

Now go to sell it, and see how much more you get for the BMW than the Ford.

Now go cry you got the Ford...

The End.

RE: This is good?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/29/2012 4:21:23 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry but where in the hell do you see me saying the Explorer is the better vehicle? Or a better buy than a BMW? I wasn't aware that was the argument I was making. Why are you bringing up resale value into this as well? Wtf man, that has NOTHING to do with this.

Now go cry you got the Ford...

See wtf are you talking about with this kind of thing? Stop trolling and LISTEN.

My point, and Spuke's, is they really are NOT directly comparable. One is a diesel and a more expensive (regardless of what you think), the other is not. The "Sport" is already a top trim level model, according to Ford. Sorry but there is NO WAY you can get an equivalent X5d for just a "few" thousand more.

RE: This is good?
By Spuke on 3/29/2012 4:22:22 PM , Rating: 2
Now go to sell it, and see how much more you get for the BMW than the Ford.
The Sport is going to be the top model in the range and the expected base price is $40k. The current Limited model starts at $38k. A loaded Limited is $50k so a good guess for a loaded Sport would be $52-$53k. A BASE X5d costs $56k. A loaded one is in the $80k range. NO ONE buys a stripped BMW. No such car exists as Rec mentioned. BMW shoppers don't crosshop to Ford generally (although the Boss 302 does get crosshopped with the M3).

RE: This is good?
By chucky2 on 3/29/2012 6:48:23 PM , Rating: 2
They are mostly comparable in that they're the same size, have power engines, and given the Eco in EcoBoost, supposedly 'green'. That they'll also be in the same ballpark in price is just more justification for comparing them.

If you can afford to drop $53k on a Ford Explorer Sport, you can afford to drop $58-$62k on a BMW x5d. Are those two rides comparable in features? The Sport isn't out yet, so we don't really know.

I'm betting they're pretty darn close in features. Unless one is scraping buy just to get the Sport, you'd have to be insane to get the Ford over the BMW.

<---longtime Ford owner, will continue to buy Ford (hard to beat A plan + incentives)

RE: This is good?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/29/2012 8:06:01 PM , Rating: 1
Okay I'm trying not to sound frustrated, but sir, I cannot even find newly USED X5d's for less than $50k. You are low-balling the cost of the BMW seriously. And why? Just to make a tenuous point?

I guess everyone should buy BMW's and nobody should buy anything else? If you can afford a V6 Accord, you can buy a 3 Series. If you can get a 350Z, you can buy an Z4 Roadster. Etc etc. Like seriously?

RE: This is good?
By Spuke on 3/29/2012 11:33:06 PM , Rating: 2
If you can afford to drop $53k on a Ford Explorer Sport, you can afford to drop $58-$62k on a BMW x5d.
You're STILL missing the point. NO ONE buys a stripped BMW and at $58-62K, that car is still stripped. For $62k you get the Sport Activity and Premium Sound Packages. That's it!!! No Nav, no HUD, no keyless entry, no 4 zone climate control. Or maybe you could skip the Sport Activity and get the Premium Package which gets you the Nav and 4 zone climate control but no HUD or Sport Activity package.

And at $62k you're talking $9k over a LOADED Explorer. You said a person that can afford $53k can afford another $9k?? Well that's ~$400 a month difference in price (people in this price range still make car payments). Definitely NOT chump change and something car buyers in that market just shrug off. LOL! And they definitely do NOT sacrifice amenities for a badge.

RE: This is good?
By chucky2 on 3/30/2012 3:34:17 PM , Rating: 2
There are plenty of people driving around in base BMW's. Yes, the AVERAGE BMW owner isn't buying a base BMW. A base x5d to someone who's buying a Ford Explorer is already going to be loaded - there is no reason for them to upfit it.

Compare as like as possible Explorer Sport (whenever the option is avaiable) to a base x5d. My bet is you don't need to add anything significant to the base x5d to have it compete feature-wise with the Explorer Sport.

Anyone in this economy buying a $53k SUV for onroad use, which, face it, will be the only use the Explorer Sport ever sees, can most likely pony up another $3-$5k for a base or base+ x5d.

The very few who can't, well, they can enjoy their overpriced station wagon.

RE: This is good?
By ShoePuke on 4/12/2012 10:46:48 AM , Rating: 2
I guess more than point to a specific model/manufacturer, I was voicing my displeasure at Detroit choosing over and over not to offer mid/small diesels. Sometimes my diesel evangelistic tendencies cloud my view of topic relativism. I was a Ford driver for nearly half my life (93 Ford Aerostar 545,000 miles that cash for clunkered into a 335d).

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