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BMW i8 concept
Production version will push nearly 400 hp and scoot to 60 mph in less than 5 seonds

The first time BMW unveiled the i8 electric sports car concept was in July of last year. The vehicle had a very strange, but futuristic design that screamed concept car. Spy photos have surfaced of the i8 in winter testing wearing camouflage and much of the car appears to be dead on with the concept.
 
Car reports that the vehicle weighs 3,200 lbs and will be offered exclusively as a plug-in hybrid vehicle. The vehicle is a 2+2 with pop up doors that open the style that seems to be a mix of Lamborghini and DeLorean.
 
The i8 will use a 170 hp electric motor to drive the front wheels and a turbocharged 1.5-liter three-cylinder gasoline engine producing 223 HP and 295 lb-ft of torque to drive the rear wheels. Originally, there was talk of a gasoline-powered counterpart using a V8 or possibly a V10 engine, but that car is no longer part of the program.
 
The electric i8 plug-in hybrid will be able to travel 20 miles on electric power alone. It also has a projected average fuel economy rating of 104.2 mpg on the European Cycle.

 
With gasoline and electric motors combined, the car has 393 HP and 406 lb-ft of torque. BMW promises 0 to 62 mph in 4.9 seconds and a top speed of 156 mph.
 
The i8’s battery needs six hours to charge from a normal household outlet and higher voltage charger will be able to charge the batteries and under an hour. The i8 is expected to sell for over €100,000 and BMW expects to sell about 10,000 units per year. 

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By Mitch101 on 3/26/2012 10:12:24 AM , Rating: 1
Thats the first BMW that doesn't look like a poor rehash of every previous year car they have ever made. For the first time I like it although Im cautious to own one as BMW is a considered the D1ck drivers car.




RE: WOW
By Icebain on 3/26/2012 10:32:08 AM , Rating: 1
Eh, I think they took the M1, and added 6 series styling ideas from it.


RE: WOW
By Iaiken on 3/26/2012 10:44:09 AM , Rating: 3
You seriously need to have your eyes checked...


RE: WOW
By Icebain on 3/26/2012 4:55:26 PM , Rating: 2
You really can't see the styling cues from both? Maybe I'm using my imagination too much.


RE: WOW
By retrospooty on 3/26/2012 10:58:41 AM , Rating: 2
"Thats the first BMW that doesn't look like a poor rehash of every previous year car they have ever made"

LOL. I have always said that BMW's are just like Victoria's Secret models. They all have hte same body. Its a nice body, but all of them look exactly alike.


RE: WOW
By Iaiken on 3/26/2012 11:12:11 AM , Rating: 5
This should give you some insight as to why the styling has changed so little since the 2000-2002 remodels of the lineup.

Outside of North America there this place called the rest of the world and out there there is a place called Europe. In Europe, the income disparity between people is staggeringly less than that of the US and even Canada. BMW accounted for 25% of all European cars sold last year and 68% of all BMW/MINI/Rolls sold last year were sold in Europe while US/Canada/Mexico only accounted for a combined 16%.

European drivers like their BMW's to be deliberately understated, which is why the design has changed so little on the outside. With the exception of the Z4, X3, X5 and X6 that were all designed for the US market, the rest of the lineup was designed and developed with Europe in mind as the primary market.

quote:
BMW is a considered the D1ck drivers car.


I find this hilarious as it's true that the 3-series is basically "the official car of the nouveaux riche jacka$$", but in Europe they are actually quite pedestrian. Hell, in BMW's home country of Germany you'll find that every other taxi is a BMW 526d (the diesel) and over here it is an executive model.


RE: WOW
By hexxthalion on 3/26/2012 12:13:10 PM , Rating: 2
well written ;)


RE: WOW
By bobsmith1492 on 3/26/2012 12:22:24 PM , Rating: 2
Nice simplistic analysis. Let's just say BMW sells lots of their cheaper models in their home continent and sends more expensive ones to North America, eh? Not economical otherwise.


RE: WOW
By hexxthalion on 3/26/2012 12:52:08 PM , Rating: 2
nope, what he meant to say is that BMW makes cars which are considered as standard in Europe and exclusive in US.

In the UK BMW is a standard car, not a rich man's car, the same goes for Germany.


RE: WOW
By Iaiken on 3/26/2012 1:14:09 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
In the UK BMW is a standard car, not a rich man's car, the same goes for Germany.


Bingo! But that is because the wealth is not as concentrated at the top in Europe as it is in the states. In fact, if you look at the trends, income disparities in the EU are actually shrinking and class mobility is higher than anywhere else in the world.


RE: WOW
By borismkv on 3/26/2012 2:08:22 PM , Rating: 2
Which is also why the EU is going bankrupt. All the rich people are *leaving*


RE: WOW
By Iaiken on 3/26/2012 2:21:42 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Which is also why the EU is going bankrupt. All the rich people are *leaving*


That is quite possibly one of the stupidest things I have ever read.


RE: WOW
By Spuke on 3/26/2012 3:51:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Which is also why the EU is going bankrupt. All the rich people are *leaving*
Rich people aren't leaving the EU (that I know of) but that's not the reason for their troubles. The reasons for their issues are well known. I suggest Google.


RE: WOW
By Keeir on 3/26/2012 4:35:47 PM , Rating: 3
Wow: So much wrong.

Lets start at the Top

#1. In UK lots of BMW trims are available that never make it to the US. Mostly because BMW doesn't make alot of models in the US and its not (as) profitable to ship the less expensive BMWs here...

For instance, the base BMW in the US is the 328i with leatherette seats. The base BMW in the UK? A 316d with cloth seats. Based on the 328i cost comparison, a 316d would cost around 24,000 USD. HEY! That's an "Everyman" car price.

#2. The "EU" comprises 27 member countries with ~500 million people. Yet the car market is nearly the same size as the US car market... Hmmm...

#3. The "EU" non PPP per capital GDP is <36,000 USD. PPP is of course worse than that... There is quite simply a significantly smaller amount of wealth in general per person in Europe.

And no... the same can be seen in Median Household Income
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_inco...

So in the end, I guess you point is correct. If you significant reduce the households making more than 500,000 PPP, then you effectily "flatten" the curve. That doesn't mean that the lower rungs are pulled up though...

BMWs are an everyman car in Europe, because they sell for an everyman's car price in Europe.

The US average car price is ~31,000. This is the -cheapest- BMW available in the US. (BMW 128i Coupe)

In UK, the average car price is ~28,000 GBP. Which is right around the price of a BMW 128i Coupe (a model they don't sell, but the BMW 135i Coupe is ~32,000 GBP). BMW sells 1 series Hatchs, Coupes, Convertibles, X1s, 3 Series Saloons, Coupes, Wagons, etc for less than this...(IE, "under" the intro BMW USA model there are at least 7 body types in UK.)


RE: WOW
By Reclaimer77 on 3/26/12, Rating: 0
RE: WOW
By Iaiken on 3/26/2012 1:09:38 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
BMW sells lots of their cheaper models in their home continent and sends more expensive ones to North America, eh?


It's not actually that simple really. The interesting thing about the lineup is that they pretty much sell them in the same ratios as the US (though they sell a lot fewer X-series SUV's). For example, the 5 series is targeted at 40,000 units for 2012 of which only 7000 will make their way to North America.

The difference is that there simply aren't as many people in the upper middle class in the US and everyone in the increasingly consolidated upper class wants something fantastically expensive. We're talking Ferrari 599 Fiorano, or Bentley Continental, Mercedes CL 65 AMG, Rolls Royce Ghost or the like. Shockingly, these $220,000 cars are the only ones that sold more units per capita in the US than in Europe. So in the US, the only people who buy BMW's wind up being bankers and junior executives that just can't afford a $220,000+ car, yet.


RE: WOW
By maven81 on 3/26/2012 2:28:59 PM , Rating: 2
"So in the US, the only people who buy BMW's wind up being bankers and junior executives that just can't afford a $220,000+ car, yet."

Well maybe new. But if you're talking used, I've seen an awful lot in the hands of 20-something douches, who fancy themselves as gangsters or something like that. 99% of the time when I see a car run a red light, or suddenly merge without indicators, or drive 30 miles above the speed limit, it's a BMW.


RE: WOW
By Iaiken on 3/26/2012 2:29:26 PM , Rating: 2
BMW doesn't really care that much about the used market. A lot of the nicer dealerships don't even carry used BMW's, they just wholesale them off to [insert name here]'s Luxury Cars.


RE: WOW
By Ronin on 3/28/2012 12:23:38 PM , Rating: 1
You guys lump all BMWs into one category. You could see an E46, and all you'd think of is it being a BMW, when you don't realize that body style got changed after the 2005 model year. You might even see an E90, which has LCI (Life Cycle Impules) and pre LCI.

Most of the 'gangster wannabes' you see are driving E36's and E46's....and they sure as hell don't represent the rest of us. Additionally, 99% of the time...seriously? I live in Southern California, and I promise you *I* don't see that....it's statements like this that make other people think this drivel is fact, when the real fact is, BMW drivers are no different than anyone else, aside from the fact that they're driving a BMW. Honestly, it sounds like you have car envy, and you're projecting. :)


RE: WOW
By Reclaimer77 on 3/26/12, Rating: 0
RE: WOW
By smilingcrow on 3/26/2012 3:23:53 PM , Rating: 2
Iaiken: “BMW accounted for 25% of all European cars sold last year”

As a European I’d say that’s highly unlikely so unless you can link to official data I’ll call bullshit on that; pardon my French.


RE: WOW
By Keeir on 3/26/2012 5:59:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
BMW accounted for 25% of all European cars sold last year and 68% of all BMW/MINI/Rolls sold last year were sold in Europe while US/Canada/Mexico only accounted for a
combined 16%


What are you smoking?

http://www.bmwblog.com/2011/10/12/global-sales-bmw...

BMW sells around 1.6 million cars a year. This means, by your own numbers that Europe's car market was less than 5 million?!? For 750 million people?!?

The US market for cars is roughly 15 million a year.

Lets look at some real data

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/01/2011-new-...

VW Group - 23% market share
BMW Group- 6% market share (~780,000 units)

http://www.bmwblog.com/2012/01/05/december-2011-sa...

Looking at US and EU (not Europe, but EU member states) sales, BMW sells around 1 per 1,000 capita each year in the US and 1.56 per 1,000 capita each year in EU member states.

I wonder what the numbers would be if we just compared the sales of the same lineup?

Sadly, the numbers don't really support your sweeping social statements. US buys significantly more cars per capita than EU. US buys more luxury cars per capita than EU. While this is probably a refection of the EU making it most costly to own cars in general, and thus ensuring that even basic car transportation is not purchasable by large segments of the population in return for socialist programs like Healthcare/Education, it really hard to use it as evidence of "flatter" social structure.


RE: WOW
By Iaiken on 3/26/2012 6:24:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
BMW Group- 6% market share (~780,000 units)


Sorry, I was writing from some sales materials that laid out 25% BMW market share in the EU10 + England instead of EU27. Figures they would cherry pick, especially since Germany alone accounts for 26% of the entire EU27 car market.

My mistake.


RE: WOW
By Keeir on 3/26/2012 7:12:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My mistake.


No offense, but that's can't even be right for Germany itself.

Germany has BMW, VW, Opel, and Mercedes.

Even in Germany VW (not VW group, just VW) has ~23% market share.

BMW has around 10% share in Germany. Which is very high, but consider it includes cars that would base around 15,000 and a wide variety between 15,000-30,000 that just don't exist in the US market.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f78/german-car-...

But if BMW sold a range of models in the 25,000-30,000 dollar range, things might be different here in the US.

What BMW ment I believe is that BMW has 25% of the premium car market.


RE: WOW
By Calin on 3/27/2012 5:07:31 AM , Rating: 2
In fact, most of the new BMW models are looking very much like the models of 1990s and 1980s, and you might even find remarkable similarities between the 1975 models and the current ones:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alexander_Calder...


RE: WOW
By Ronin on 3/28/2012 12:10:00 PM , Rating: 2
As a 335d owner, I take exception to being called a nouveaux riche (sic) jacka$$. Just because I own a 3 series doesn't mean I don't make a comfortable living. Modify this to specify the 328i, maybe...but a 335i, 335is, or 335d can easily approach $60k (happened to be in the showroom at one of the local dealerships last weekend, and saw an F30 335i that had a sticker of just over 57k). Now, I don't know about you guys, but $50-$60k for a car isn't chump change (and, for what it's worth, I also have a 2011 Sonata 2.0t and a 2011 GSXR 750....that makes about $90k in vehicles). I have an additional $400k in real estate, not to include a variety of investments. Does that make me nouveaux rich? No, it means I spend my money wisely.

Please, people, stop being so narrow minded about who drives what, and stop listening to Top Gear to get your little minds directed about who's a douchenozzle and who isn't. That guy driving the 3 series next to you might have an Aventador and a 458 Italia at home.


RE: WOW
By borismkv on 3/26/2012 12:33:50 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, this car is going to be a Supercar Hybrid that will be unattainable by just about everyone short of a trust fund. 100k Euros is a bit more in Dollars, unfortunately (but, you know, give the EU a couple more years and the Euro might be comparable to the Peso...)


RE: WOW
By Jeff7181 on 3/26/2012 1:45:24 PM , Rating: 2
No, that's Porsche.

What's the difference between a porcupine and a Porsche?

The porcupine has pricks on the outside.


RE: WOW
By Mitch101 on 3/26/2012 2:52:44 PM , Rating: 2
It used to be Porsche its been BMW for about 10 years now.

How do you spell D1ck only using 3 letters and you cant use a D, C, or K.

BMW

BTW thanks to the above for the UK view appreciate the world view.


RE: WOW
By Ramtech on 3/26/2012 4:20:14 PM , Rating: 2
Nice Shot 'Em Up reference


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