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NVIDIA's obscure 7800 GPUs revealed in the beta driver
Updated nVidia drivers indicate nVidia is readying additional GeForce 7800 based cards.

NGOHQ.com has gotten their hands on a new set of beta NVIDIA drivers from an XFX/Pine graphics. A quick comparison of the beta drivers from the official NVIDIA site, versus the drivers provided from XFX's FTP server do in fact indicate that NVIDIA is preparing to release additional cards in its 7800 series.

The new cards will sport the following designations "NVIDIA GeForce 7800SE/XT/LE/LT/ZT" and "GeForce 7800 Ultra". Specifics of the new 7800s currently aren't known but as soon as we get more information we will pass it along. For those interested, the new drivers are available NGOHQs site.

Traditionally, NVIDIA has reserved the LE moniker for GPU cores with several quads disabled.  SE and XT were generally ATI-only suffixes, though last year we saw a short lived GeForce 6800XT.  LT and ZT are totally new suffixes.

GeForce 7800, based on the G70 ASIC, was virtually replaced by G71 overnight back in March.  G71 and G70 are very similar, but G71 uses a smaller die process making it cooler and less expensive to manufacture in quantity.  ATI and NVIDIA both have a habit of repackaging older ASICs as slightly crippled versions of the same GPU in order to squeeze out a few more sales at unsaturated price points


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For the love of god...
By segagenesis on 5/18/2006 6:09:46 PM , Rating: 4
Ok, ok, variety is good but stop the alphabet soup already. Do they really expect people to wade through all these choices with any ease lately? Maybe I am cynical but I remember when it was 3 or 4 selection choices or combinations and not the tens, perhaps hundereds there are now.




RE: For the love of god...
By bhigh on 5/18/2006 7:42:28 PM , Rating: 2
No kidding. ATI is just as bad. For instance, the X800 has Pro, XL, GT and XT which are almost identical. It's hard to say whether the Pro or XL is faster, then there's the XT and XT PE.

It seems that every stepping of every generation (9600, 9800, X700, X800, X1600, X1800, X1900, 6800, 7600, 7800, 7900) has 2 or 3 variants plus a special variant or two.

Then there are the "special runs" like the 6800 GTO. How's that compare with the plain 6800 let alone the Ultra, GT, GS, XT, etc.


RE: For the love of god...
By beemercer on 5/18/2006 7:49:36 PM , Rating: 3
I think the 'ZT' may be the worst i have ever heard.

Also dont forget the KO, CO and XXX suffixes that the manufacturers put on the cards; imagine the 7800ZT KO, alphabet soup indeed.


RE: For the love of god...
By Inkjammer on 5/18/2006 8:14:46 PM , Rating: 2
Y'know what people are gonna call it, right?

. . .

The nVidia Zit.


RE: For the love of god...
By beemercer on 5/18/2006 8:17:55 PM , Rating: 3
hahahaa, good one


RE: For the love of god...
By RedBeard on 5/19/2006 5:19:34 PM , Rating: 2
What is next? 7801LX 7802DX 7803EX??? Could this become any more confusing? Let's make all video cards hex addresses! Yeah, that's the way to go! Or maybe binary! 0101-0101 FTW!


confused
By chickenselects on 5/18/2006 6:39:55 PM , Rating: 2
wait, im so confused now, will these new 7800's be comparable to the 7900 line? I was planning on buying a 7900GT but wtf?




RE: confused
By beemercer on 5/18/2006 8:42:53 PM , Rating: 2
Its probaly safe to buy the 7900GT, i doubt that these new 7800's will be better than a 7900GT.


RE: confused
By Sh0ckwave on 5/18/2006 9:54:35 PM , Rating: 2
The new 7800s will probably be cheaper, mid-range cards with pipeline quads disabled. Maybe they have lots of G70 cores to get rid of.


RE: confused
By Tsuwamono on 5/18/2006 10:14:14 PM , Rating: 2
better be safe and just wait for the DX10 cards if you can wait. that way you dont get forked when you cant install a game because of it.


RE: confused
By beemercer on 5/18/2006 11:10:21 PM , Rating: 2
good point, does anyone know when DX10 cards are supposed to hit the market


RE: confused
By bombledmonk on 5/19/2006 2:20:44 AM , Rating: 2
You're looking closer and closer to the end of the year as vista keeps getting pushed back.

There is never a point in waiting unless it's only couple weeks. You can always wait for the next best thing, but you'll never have what you want.


RE: confused
By lethalchronic on 5/19/2006 12:59:27 PM , Rating: 2
Quote- "There is never a point in waiting unless it's only couple weeks. You can always wait for the next best thing, but you'll never have what you want. "

I agree with this statement whole-heartedly. I have been "waiting" for the right hardware for a year or so. I'm gonna go with the AM2 platform and I'm positive I'm gonna get the 7900GT. I'll wait for DX10 to buy that $500 top-end graphics card.


Why 7800?
By mechwarrior1989 on 5/18/2006 8:01:24 PM , Rating: 2
They already have the 7900 out so why not build on the hype created by that? Instead they release new 7800's? In the eyes of the consumer a 7800 will look lower end to a 7900. Doesn't seem to make sense to me. I mean sure maybe they're calling them 7800's cause of the core but sense when have companies been totally truthful about their product?




RE: Why 7800?
By latrosicarius on 5/18/2006 8:30:07 PM , Rating: 2
I thought the 7900 was a mobile card (i.e.: low power PCIe for laptops)... could be wrong tho, I havn't been paying attention very much lately, but it would explain why the 7800 (desktop card) is being beefed.

idk


RE: Why 7800?
By beemercer on 5/18/2006 8:41:20 PM , Rating: 3
The 7900 GTX and 7900 GT are currently Nvidia's top of the line cards. The 7800 GTX and 7800GT have been almost completely phased out, while the 7800GS remains as the top of the line Nvidia AGP card.


16 Different High End GeForce 7s?
By AggressorPrime on 5/18/2006 9:25:24 PM , Rating: 2
So now we have the 7800, 7800GT, 7800GTX, 7800GTX 512MB, 7800GS, 7800SE, 7800XT, 7800LE, 7800LT, 7800ZT, 7800 Ultra, 7800GX2, 7900GT, 7900GTX, 7900GX2, and 7950GX2.

And those are just the base versions. Then you have the manufacturer's editions: Standard, KO, KO Superclocked, Extreme Edition, XXX Edition, and even varients of these.

Yep, its just a little out of hand. Plus you have the 7600s and 7300s.

You could simply say, you have enough different GeForce 7s so that you could paint a 24-bit picture with them.




By InternetGeek on 5/18/2006 11:48:08 PM , Rating: 2
You forgot 7900GS


By AkumaX on 5/20/2006 1:52:01 AM , Rating: 2
So now we have the 7800, 7800GT, 7800GTX, 7800GTX 512MB, 7800GS, 7800SE, 7800XT, 7800LE, 7800LT, 7800ZT, 7800 Ultra, 7800GX2, 7900GT, 7900GTX, 7900GX2, and 7950GX2

can you put this in order for me please? :D ;)


I thought G71 had a smaller die than G70...?
By CKTurbo128 on 5/18/2006 6:17:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
GeForce 7800, based on the G70 ASIC, was virtually replaced by G71 overnight back in March. G71 and G70 are very similar, but G70 uses a smaller die process making it cooler and less expensive to manufacture in quantity . ATI and NVIDIA both have a habbit of repackaging older ASICs as slightly crippled versions of the same GPU in order to squeeze out a few more sales at unsaturated price points


Huh? Doesn't the G71 (0.09) use a smaller die process than a G70 (0.11)?




By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 5/18/2006 6:18:52 PM , Rating: 2
Correct, thank you


lol
By spikey341 on 5/19/2006 10:23:25 AM , Rating: 2
reminds me of the attempted Ford campaign

Ford Explorer
Ford Excursion
Ford Exterra
Ford Excalibur
Ford Extravaganza
Ford Excrement




RE: lol
By Scabies on 5/22/2006 10:03:48 AM , Rating: 2
But worse!

The new 2005 F150 2007 Edition! Pretty much the same as the old one, but with bigger numbers! Get yours now!


How Exciting...
By MrSmurf on 5/18/2006 6:07:26 PM , Rating: 3
Knowing a 7800 is in the works is like knowing you're going to eventually die.

*This is a knock at nvidia for releasing so many versions of a card, not at DT.*




Models
By InternetGeek on 5/18/2006 6:14:28 PM , Rating: 2
Model numbers will also get mixed up. They recently announced the 7900 series, but people will learn today that a new 7800 series is coming out?.

What I want is official support for my Go 7900 GS (without having to mod the .inf)




HABIT
By CKDragon on 5/18/2006 6:42:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
ATI and NVIDIA both have a habbit of repackaging older ASICs as slightly crippled versions of the same GPU in order to squeeze out a few more sales at unsaturated price points


From the same comment as above, it's "habit"

CK




Bloody hell....
By Scrogneugneu on 5/19/2006 5:45:04 PM , Rating: 2
When even the readers of AnandTech are confused with the video card names, it really means they made a mess.


BTW, how many different version (total) exists for the 7600 and 7300? I'm guessing there's more 7800/7900 versions than 7600/7300.




and before THAT...
By mindless1 on 5/20/2006 8:22:07 AM , Rating: 2
"SE and XT were generally ATI-only suffixes, though last year we saw a short lived GeForce 6800XT"

... and before that there was FX5900XT, FX5600XT,

Nothing unusual here, when the GPU gets older they start making revised PCB to cut parts costs and downclock a little, allowing lower spec memory too.

Sometimes they can make for good overclockers on a budget, but the price point they hit means everything.




New Cards?
By Nightmare225 on 5/20/2006 8:28:09 AM , Rating: 2
This based on the previous opinion about theses cards being released becasue the core has been out for so long. What if this means Nvidia's releasing something new, hopefully the G80, sometime soon?




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