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Police charged GeoHot as if his THC chocolates were solid marijuana

Renowned hardware hacker and iDevice-jailbreaker extraordinaire George "GeoHot" Hotz, 22, has been arrested and booked for possessing marijuana.  

These days GeoHot is working at Facebook and is an active member of Facebook-sponsored "Chronic Dev Team", which works to "free your iPad and iPhone".   Travelling from home in Cali, GeoHot was cruising into Texas in the western-border town and census site of Sierra Blanca on his way to speak at the renowned entertainment and digital lifestyle festival South by Southwest, which is held every year in Austin, a city in central-Texas.

While the hot question on everyone's mind may be whether the famed hacker was "hot boxing", we may never know.

What is known is that the town's police, expecting the rush of festival participants driving in from California were screening all cars with drug sniffing dogs.  The dogs apparently became extra excited at GeoHot's car, and sure enough he had some of "the chronic" in his car -- enough to reportedly earn him a felony possession charge.

Taken downtown, he was booked at the station (likely he did not get the opportunity to test his IRL jailbreaking skills), and then released on $1,500 USD bond.

But GeoHot might be in good shape -- apparently the officer goofed.  He had approximately 1/4 oz. of marijuana and chocolate edibles equivalent to less than 1/8 oz.  However, the officers weighed the chocolate as if it was pure marijuana, hence how he received the felony possession.  This led the officers to then estimate the value of GeoHot's "special" chunky chocolate truffle at $800 USD, rather than the $15 USD he reportedly paid for it.

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As a reader pointed out, nonsensical as it may be, this is actually how the Texas penal code works -- anything with a drug in it, is counted as a drug when waying for determination of a felony.  GeoHot is only fortunate he didn't have a couple more chocolates or he might be looking at a 3rd degree felony and some serious prison time. (The threshold for a 3rd degree felony is 1 oz.)

The whole incident casts in a whole new light GeoHot's surprisingly funny and solid "rap retort" to Sony Corp.'s (TYO:6758lawsuit against him for jailbreaking the PlayStation 3:


America is a rather funny nation where both of its last two presidents openly admitted to smoking marijuana, yet it remains an imprisonable felony in many regions to possess the potent plant.  While peer-reviewed studies published in medicine's most prestigious journals found marijuana to be less harmful than alcohol and tobacco, it remains illegal in America.  In fact marijuana has been found to have mild beneficial effects.

Source: Above the Law



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RE: One does wonder...
By Quadrillity on 3/15/2012 12:11:33 PM , Rating: 1
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How is stopping and searching every vehicle traveling through town using a K9 unit- with or without cause- a 'reasonable' search?

Um... perhaps because they were patrolling for an event based on breaking current laws? It's pretty much the same situation with Wiz Khalifa and his "wake and bake tour". He got busted with possession at East Carolina University while performing one of his concerts. Smoke was rolling out of his tour bus... I mean come on man ya can't get more blatant and defiantly arrogant lol.

Yeah, screw laws. If you don't want to be busted for drug possession, then don't possess drugs. I'll never advocate for any police state mindset, but lets look at this for a moment: Some idiot was arrogant enough to walk around in public with illegal substances on his person. Do you think we should just be a free-for-all society?

I hardly think the "Bible belt" has anything to do with your argument either. The police busted this guy for doing something illegal, and you seem to think it's the fault of law enforcement? Yeah, whatever. We can discuss the issue of legalizing marijuana all day long, but don't turn this into police bashing. They are just doing their job. A job that we (as a society of law abiding citizens) told them to do.


RE: One does wonder...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/15/12, Rating: 0
RE: One does wonder...
By carigis on 3/15/2012 1:14:20 PM , Rating: 1
except for the fact that marijuana is not like say crack... Its a plant that grows naturally (how do you regulate a plant..). Its less dangerous to a person then cigarettes and alcohol both of which are legal.

Going by the.. the laws is the law outlook.. we would still have slavery, seperate water fountains for races, no right for women to vote, etc.. civil disobedience and disobeyance is the only thing that gets laws changed.

I do think we should be a free for all society actually.. thats what freedom is all about. As long as it does not hurt other people in the process. The govt should have no place regulating what I do with my body, in my house, or anything else that does not hurt other people even if it hurts myself. they should not be able to tell me I have to wear a seat belt, can't smoke pot, who I can or cannot have sex with etc..

At the same time, drugs should not be an excuse. you commit a crime on drugs, then you get charged with that crime. period.


RE: One does wonder...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/15/2012 2:12:24 PM , Rating: 1
????

Crack is made from the Cocaine leaf. A plant that grows naturally.

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I do think we should be a free for all society actually.. thats what freedom is all about. As long as it does not hurt other people in the process.


Well that's the catch isn't it? Police and Federal law enforcement will point to the deaths caused from drug-running, shootouts with authorities, etc etc and say "Look see, drugs ARE hurting people!"

It's gotten to the point where almost any Government action can be justified if it just causes a death, hurts someone's feelings, causes a problem etc etc.

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The govt should have no place regulating what I do with my body, in my house, or anything else that does not hurt other people even if it hurts myself. they should not be able to tell me I have to wear a seat belt, can't smoke pot, who I can or cannot have sex with etc..


Amen!


RE: One does wonder...
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2012 2:35:59 PM , Rating: 2
It's made from the Coca Leaf, but unlike marijuana, it's mixed with other chemicals to make into cocaine.


RE: One does wonder...
By carigis on 3/15/2012 3:06:35 PM , Rating: 2
the coca leaf is processed in lots and lots of chemicals...before it becomes crack or cocaine.. there is no cocaine leaf :)

also the deaths from drug running are attributable to it being illegal causing an underground market to be created.. The same thing that happened with alcohol.. which caused them to re-legalize it. No illegal market created by prohibition.. no way for drug smugglers to profit and reason for them to kill people.

now that alcohol is legal.. who is trafficking in alcohol? noone.. no al capone equivelant.. nothing.

they stick to book making and drug smuggling.. because both are illegal. if betting on games was legal.. there would be no bookies. knee cappers.. etc..


RE: One does wonder...
By Quadrillity on 3/15/2012 3:06:39 PM , Rating: 1
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we would still have slavery, seperate water fountains for races, no right for women to vote, etc..


Really? I'd say that the U.S. Constitution gave everyone the right to equality. Since the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, I would also say that any laws that went against it would be invalidated. So, in essence, it's true that slavery, and other oppression may have been laws at one point, but it's NOT true that they were justified or valid laws when challenged against the Constitution. If the people of the U.S. would have used the supreme law of the land in the first place, we would have never had slavery, unequal rights, and everything else.

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I do think we should be a free for all society actually.. thats what freedom is all about.


If you truly believe that, then that is exactly why I have seen such a stark decay in the moral fabric of society in my few short years on this planet. If there are very many people like you (I fear there are), then we are in deep s***. That is NOT what freedom is all about. Your freedom does not somehow "give you the right to do whatever you want".

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The govt should have no place regulating what I do with my body, in my house, or anything else that does not hurt other people even if it hurts myself. they should not be able to tell me I have to wear a seat belt, can't smoke pot, who I can or cannot have sex with etc..


Ok, I agree. As long as you do something that only affects you then there is no problem. Oh, but wait... every little thing you do will affect society in some way.

For instance: if you don't wear a seat-belt, then post a sign on your vehicle that tells the medics not to rush you to the hospital and render aid; because not wearing a seat-belt ends up costing everyone more money in terms of car insurance, medical services, medical coverage, etc. I'd say that is negatively affecting others right? The same thing goes for marijuana. If you want to smoke it, then by all means please do. But make sure you cancel your health insurance so that others don't have to pay for your lung cancer.

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At the same time, drugs should not be an excuse. you commit a crime on drugs, then you get charged with that crime. period.

Hey! We can finally agree on something!


RE: One does wonder...
By carigis on 3/15/2012 4:58:46 PM , Rating: 1
lol.. by your comment on "moral fabric", im assuming your a religous person..and wish to push your beliefs on others... morality is based on how you personally percieve things. freedom is exactly about what it says.. freedom... not candosomethingsbutnotothersaslongasitokwitheveryone lseom.

How about the fact seatbelts have been known to CAUSE deaths in some accidents? so you think the govt should be able to pick winners and say you need to use a seatbelt even though it can "possibly" kill you. I pay for auto insurance like everyone else and have never been in an accident.

Should I get a refund for not using it? is my not wearing a seatbelt going to stop you from arguing with your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend or whatever and not paying attention to the road and slamming into me? or taking your eye off the roadd to put out your cigarette? or should we just only provide medical treatment to the person not at fault.. because either way someone is costing us money in car insurance bills, as someone is always at fault. if anything Im more likely to die not wearing a seatbelt.. so the insurance company gets off cheap.

or for marijuana, do cigarette smokers health insurance get cancelled? or drinkers who blow out thier liver.. do we say oh well... you have to die now.. sorry. or because its legal thats ok.. well just let that one pass.

wouldn't it be smarter to tax the marijuana and use the income to pay for any health effects like is done with alcohol and cigarettes? think of the lives saved by no drug war, and no criminal enterprise related to drugs. people would be buying weed from a store.. not the local drug dealers house were he gets exposed to harder chemically derived drugs that actually effect society and crime rates.

If your wife has sex with your buddy and gets aids from him then passes onto you aids.. should we not cancel your insurance because all your friends knew she was a hoe so you should have too? These are all questions we should ask right?


RE: One does wonder...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/15/2012 5:04:08 PM , Rating: 1
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Ok, I agree. As long as you do something that only affects you then there is no problem. Oh, but wait... every little thing you do will affect society in some way.


You mentioned earlier that the Constitution was the supreme law of the land. As you probably know, I'm big time in agreement with that.

So where in the Constitution does it say Freedom is defined by something that only affects you, and nobody else? I see no such described "Freedom from being offended" or ban against affecting society.

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The same thing goes for marijuana. If you want to smoke it, then by all means please do. But make sure you cancel your health insurance so that others don't have to pay for your lung cancer.


Okay I'm not giving my opinion either way on this drug thing, but this isn't logical. Cigarettes are legal and have a FAR higher chance of causing lung cancer than marijuana. Hell you don't even have to smoke weed, you can ingest it. And many do.

You also inhale way less smoke with pot. We've all heard of the pack a day cigarette fiends, or even two packs a day! That would be like doing an ounce a day or something! Nobody does that, you would be stoned 24/7 lol. It's basically impossible.


RE: One does wonder...
By Bateluer on 3/15/2012 3:32:52 PM , Rating: 2
Fortunately for the rest of us, when you smoke pot and go for a drive without your seat belt, you'll remove yourself from the gene pool.


RE: One does wonder...
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2012 3:52:35 PM , Rating: 1
You apparently have no clue what you are talking about...


RE: One does wonder...
By chromal on 3/15/2012 4:55:03 PM , Rating: 1
Heh, heh, you just set off my BS meter. Beep beep beep. Pot is not alcohol, it doesn't impair driving like alcohol. Medical MJ users are a legal example of this.


RE: One does wonder...
By Quadrillity on 3/16/2012 8:26:12 AM , Rating: 2
You have got to be kidding me. I have seen people blitzed out of their mind from smoking (and smoking only, not drinking). Do you mean to tell me that getting super high will not negatively affect your reaction time? Give me a break! Marijuana cannot be tested against a standard of sobriety since everyone handles it differently. Some people trip balls when they smoke; are you alluding that they can also drive safely?

Total bullcrap. Marijuana does negatively impact your driving skills. To what degree is still largely under review; but none the less. Take one hit from a bong and you will most likely be fine, but get "high" and you will not be able to drive the same as if you were not "high".

The bottom line is that there are accurate measurements for blood alcohol concentration in connection with impairment. There are no such measurements with marijuana.


RE: One does wonder...
By theblackrabbit on 3/16/2012 11:30:21 AM , Rating: 2
And cases can still be built when breathalyzers are refused. How about: Driving behavior, sobriety tests, objective physical symptoms.

Try Again


RE: One does wonder...
By Quadrillity on 3/16/2012 12:34:53 PM , Rating: 2
No, I don't have to try again. Medically speaking, you can measure the exact amount of BAC. Breathalyzers are deemed "accurate enough" to use in the field. I never said nor implied that any or all of the tests are 100% accurate; so my initial statement is still correct.


RE: One does wonder...
By theblackrabbit on 3/16/2012 2:06:18 PM , Rating: 2
"Marijuana cannot be tested against a standard of sobriety since everyone handles it differently. Some people trip balls when they smoke; are you alluding that they can also drive safely?"

Replace Marijuana with alcohol, do you see my point? The statement in quotes is just you making a random comment. All people handle all drugs differently (ADHD meds, anxiety meds, on and on). Some people can drive fine on a higher BAC than others (daily drinkers vs casual drinkers). Some people get tweeked out from ADHD meds, some relax and focus.

You then said, "The bottom line is that there are accurate measurements for blood alcohol concentration in connection with impairment. There are no such measurements with marijuana."

-Okay, imagine for a moment there is no such thing as a breathalyzer: what would we do? Ban alcohol? Ban all driving with any alcohol in the system? The law would probably remain mostly the same. The case would be built on all the other evidence. DUI would still exist, but in more shades of gray.

Then I see this: "Ok, I agree. As long as you do something that only affects you then there is no problem. Oh, but wait... every little thing you do will affect society in some way."

So what is your stance exactly anyway? Do you want MJ legal but illegal to be driving with even if it is just trace amounts that would show up on a drug test? I am confused on your exact position. I was just pointing out (what I believe) to be flaws in your comparisons between DUI/alcohol and DWI/other drugs. You don't have to have a statistical line in the sand...


RE: One does wonder...
By Rott3nHIppi3 on 3/16/2012 11:26:12 AM , Rating: 2
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Pot is not alcohol, it doesn't impair driving like alcohol.
This begs the question, if weed has no influence on your reaction time or judgment, why are you smoking it again?

I've seen people high and driving... they drive like 30mph. Slow drivers are just as much at fault for creating accidents as drunk drivers. And between the two of you (high or drunk), you still have no clue what happened in the aftermath.

Now the real issue with weed is that its illegal to possess it, right? In other words, possession should be treated no different than bringing home a 12-pk. Seems to me the most practical solution is to not charge for possession, but do take "intoxicated" or "driving while impaired" as seriously as drunk driving. In that sense, the 'routine traffic stops' are just as legal as DWI checks and serve the same purpose: Making sure idiots are off the highways.


RE: One does wonder...
By chromal on 3/16/2012 8:22:14 PM , Rating: 2
How do you make the moronic leap of logic from me saying that Alcohol and Marijuana are different to Marijuana has no influence. Put words in people's mouth much? Winning arguments is so much easier when you argue both sides and erect straw men, but it's kind of meaningless.


RE: One does wonder...
By Iketh on 3/17/2012 3:59:08 PM , Rating: 2
You're a complete retard. Go away druggy.


RE: One does wonder...
By chromal on 3/15/2012 4:51:05 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, because all laws are 'just' and must be honored. By this mode of thinking, interracial marriages would still be illegal, in Texas and elsewhere.


RE: One does wonder...
By chromal on 3/15/2012 4:58:09 PM , Rating: 2
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Um... perhaps because they were patrolling for an event based on breaking current laws?


Uh.. what? So, are you saying that South by Southwest is an event based on breaking laws? Last time I checked, music is not illegal, not even in Texas.

Further more, where this stop occurred, Sierra Blanca, is 488 miles away from Austin, where South by Southwest occurs. How it is even remotely reasonable for them to be patrolling (fishing really) for people going to see music 488 miles away. That's an absolutely asinine assertion you're making.


RE: One does wonder...
By Quadrillity on 3/15/2012 10:16:55 PM , Rating: 2
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What is known is that the town's police, expecting the rush of festival participants driving in from California were screening all cars with drug sniffing dogs.


I read this part a little too fast and assumed that it was a obvious pro-weed event, sorry.

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How it is even remotely reasonable for them to be patrolling (fishing really) for people going to see music 488 miles away. That's an absolutely asinine assertion you're making.

No, what is absolutely absurd is the idea that you somehow think people who break the law are somehow in the right, and the cops who enforce the current laws are in the wrong. There was no illegal search in this situation. As I said earlier, I am a hardcore conservative (mainly in the sense that I see the U.S. Constitution as the supreme law of the land, and that it was created to restrict the government from taking control of the citizens). Having said that, I am probably just as anti-police state as you are. I understand that the branches of gov. need to know their boundaries, but in this case no right or freedom was violated. He broke the law, got caught, and will pay the price for it. It's called actions and consequences; something that is pretty much lost on this society.


RE: One does wonder...
By chromal on 3/15/2012 11:16:55 PM , Rating: 2
I'm protesting the execution of law as being unconstitutional, not Texas's right to regulate illegal substances as they see fit. They just need to it without the extralegal crap. Because this is America, we supposedly have rights.


RE: One does wonder...
By Quadrillity on 3/15/2012 11:23:56 PM , Rating: 2
That made no sense, I have no idea what you are even trying to say. Are you saying we shouldn't enforce laws?


RE: One does wonder...
By chromal on 3/16/2012 12:02:12 AM , Rating: 2
I'm saying there's a concept called Due Process, and it's paramount in the administration of justice. What I don't comprehend is why I find myself having to explain this, I would hope you already know what I'm saying.


RE: One does wonder...
By Quadrillity on 3/16/2012 8:09:35 AM , Rating: 2
I am certainly not a law scholar, but I think you are further from it than me. There was no breach of due process. He was caught transporting a felonious amount of a controlled substance, and now he will be tried (and probably found guilty) in a court of law. Please outline where his constitutional rights were violated.

Should we just throw out drug laws just because you like weed?


RE: One does wonder...
By chromal on 3/16/2012 8:26:46 PM , Rating: 2
Are you even reading this comments? His rights were violated when he was stopped and subjected to an unreasonable search without probable cause by a K9 unit.

Also, from what has been reported, he was carrying a single 'dose' (if you will) of pot cooked into a confection, and is being charged based on the weight of the confection, not any unlawful substance it may contain. That does not merit a felony charge any any SANE societal sense. Of course, we're talking Texas, not sane.


RE: One does wonder...
By Iketh on 3/17/2012 4:02:22 PM , Rating: 2
May your kids get hooked on drugs imported from Mexico through Texas... you hypocrite.


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