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Apple has another solid hit with the "New iPad"

Apple's "New iPad" was announced last week to much fanfare in San Francisco. As is usually the case with new iPad or iPhone releases, launch day pre-orders sold out quickly and those who were late to get their orders in could end up waiting for a few weeks to get their hands on one.
 
As a refresher, an Apple A5X processor that has seen its onboard RAM double from 512MB to 1GB powers the new iPad. The A5X is also blessed with a quad-core GPU which boosts gaming performance and helps feed the new iPad's biggest new feature: a 2048 x 1536 resolution Retina display. Other niceties include a 5MP rear-facing camera, and optional LTE connectivity.

 
On the negative side, the weight and thickness of the iPad has grown to accommodate a new 42.5 watt-hour battery (the iPad 2 had a 25 watt-hour battery). In addition, Apple is once again being stingy with storage capacities on the iPad. Even though app sizes are doubling or even tripling in some cases due to Retina support, Apple is holding firm with 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB capacities -- the same lineup as when the first generation iPad launched in 2010.
 
Tonight, however, we're getting our first look at what the new iPad can do courtesy of a flood of reviews. Here are some select excerpts from the reviews that are currently available:
 
Joshua Topolsky of The Verge gives his thoughts on the iPad 3's gorgeous new Retina display:
 
Yes, this display is outrageous. It's stunning. It's incredible. I'm not being hyperbolic or exaggerative when I say it is easily the most beautiful computer display I have ever looked at…
 
You literally can't see pixels on the iPad's display when you hold it at a regular distance, and even up close you have to really inspect the thing to see dots. For rendered text or high resolution images, it just looks otherworldly; like a glowing piece of paper.
 

The difference between the iPad 2's display and the new iPad's Retina display [Source: The Verge]
 
Walt Mossberg of AllThingsD fame touched on the battery life of the new iPad. While it's not quite the power-sipper as its predecessor, it still posts some impressive numbers.
 
Apple claims up to 10 hours of battery life between charges, and up to nine hours if you are relying strictly on cellular connectivity. In my standard battery test, where I play videos back to back with both cellular and Wi-Fi on, and the screen at 75% brightness, the new iPad logged 9 hours and 58 minutes, compared with 10 hours and 9 minutes for the iPad 2. Other tablets died hours sooner in the same test. In more normal use, the new iPad lasted more than a full day, though not as long as the iPad 2 did.
 
The original iPad didn't have any cameras at all, while the iPad 2 came with a standard front-facing camera for FaceTime and an incredibly subpar rear-facing camera for pictures and 720p video. The new iPad can now features a 5MP camera and bumps video recording up to 1080p. Vincent Nguyen of SlashGear gives his thoughts on the new optics:
 
Apple says it has borrowed the camera technology and optics from the iPhone 4S for the new iPad, though still the 5-megapixel images the tablet is capable of do lag behind the 8-megapixel examples from the smartphone. There’s more visible noise and chromatic aberrations at full zoom, though the quality is far, far better than any stills the iPad 2 can achieve. You also get face recognition for up to ten people per frame, automatically adjusting focus and exposure, but the camera app UI itself is no more complex than before.
 
While the actual CPU hasn't improved much over the iPad 2, the integrated GPU has definitely been turbocharged, as witnessed by Jason Snell of MacWorld:
 
That power comes from the X factor in the A5X processor—a new quad-core graphics engine. And sure enough, the third-generation iPad blows away every other iOS device in terms of graphics performance. In our tests using the GLBench 3D graphics testing app, the third-generation iPad could draw a complex 3D scene at the full frame rate of its display, 60 frames per second, without breaking a sweat. And in GLBench offscreen tests, which aren’t constrained by the display’s frame rate, the third-generation iPad had a frame rate 1.6 times that of the iPad 2 (and 13 times that of the original iPad).
 
 
 

[Source: MacWorld]
 
Overall, the new iPad seems to be another solid entry into the tablet field for Apple. It holds the line on CPU performance and battery life (at the expense of device thickness and weight) while offering an impressive Retina display, optional LTE, and a tremendous boost in graphics performance. Pricing remains the same as previous iPad model ($499/$599/$699 for Wi-Fi; add $130 for LTE models), but Apple still doesn't have the guts to give users an increase in storage capacities.
 
To sum things up, Joshua Topolsky offers these words of advice:
 
Let's be clear: the new iPad is in a class by itself, just as its predecessor was. As the latest product in a lineage of devices that defined this category, the iPad continues to stand head and shoulders above the competition. With the addition of the Retina display, LTE, more memory, and a more powerful CPU, Apple has absolutely held onto the iPad's market position as the dominant player and product to beat. 
 
 


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Preempting Android fan responses
By Commodus on 3/14/2012 11:02:20 PM , Rating: -1
I can already tell you what the Android fans are thinking:

"But it doesn't have widgets, theoretically more freedom with apps, a microSD slot, or a quad-core processor! It's inherently inferior!"

Tablets are all about apps. You don't stare at your home screen for five minutes, you use apps. Apple not only has many more tablet-native apps (200,000 versus, what, a few thousand), they're often *better* apps. Djay. Flipboard. Tweetbot. Theoretical freedom means nothing if you're in the middle of the desert with nothing to do.

MicroSD? Or, for that matter, direct HDMI out? They'd be nice, but how many of you are actually pushing the edges of your Android tablet's storage? Direct HDMI is also absolutely moot. You need to buy a cable if you want to go wired anyways, and Apple's cable not only delivers HDMI but keeps the tablet powered. And there is absolutely nothing like AirPlay on Android right now. Tapping a couple of buttons and suddenly seeing wireless video on your TV (if you have an Apple TV) or your music on your speakers is something.

And, as for the quad-core processor... well, Anandtech's own benchmarks (mostly 3D) showed an iPad 2 already outrunning a Transformer Prime. Go quad-core on graphics and double the RAM and Apple's sitting in the stratosphere somewhere. Specs can matter, but don't believe the "bigger numbers are always better" myth -- it's what you're doing with the cores you've got that means the most.

I was at Mobile World Congress. I used the new Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 and Galaxy Tab 2. Used Toshiba's new 7-inch tablet, Acer's quad-core Iconia Tab A700 and A510. Co-worker tried the new ASUS tablets. None of them scream out that you must buy them over an iPad; they're either extremely conservative tablets that are dead in the water (Samsung) or no better than a Transformer Prime, which is nice but not that exciting. They don't have the apps, they don't have the responsiveness, and they certainly don't have that display.




RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By ShaolinSoccer on 3/15/2012 12:07:44 AM , Rating: 1
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And there is absolutely nothing like AirPlay on Android right now. Tapping a couple of buttons and suddenly seeing wireless video on your TV (if you have an Apple TV) or your music on your speakers is something.


WRONG. Many Android tablets have DLNA. Get a clue!


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By Commodus on 3/15/12, Rating: 0
RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By abhaxus on 3/15/2012 2:00:24 AM , Rating: 2
I have airplay on my android devices... Doubletwist airsync ftw! A feature I have never needed to use, as dlna does everything I need. I don't require my closed apple "standards" to simplify things.

As for storage, I have 48 gb on both my phone (gs2) and tablet (evo view) thanks to sd cards. And if I really wanted to, i could keep 16gb cards on hand with even more video if I needed it. I dont travel enough to require that. My phone os at about 25gb full, tablet at about 20. Google music cut into some of my need for storage, and I just finished season 1 of breaking bad so I nuked it from my tablet.

I don't disagree with the apps argument. One of the frustrations I have with my view is that out of the already small pool of honeycomb apps, an even smaller number format properly on a 1024x600 screen. Without root and density changer I would be much less satisfied. Most of the things I do are web based anyway, and for that I am glad to have flash.

Really I am just shocked at how unimpressive the last two launches have been. Completely underwhelming. The reasons for the lawsuit wars are becoming more and more obvious.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By testerguy on 3/15/12, Rating: -1
By mutatio on 3/15/2012 5:57:51 AM , Rating: 2
Just curious. How is AirPlay a closed standard? It is Apple's? Yes. To my knowledge, however, from the start, it was discussed as being a tech that could be integrated with any number of accessories. It's like saying Apple's "closed" iPod standards prohibited car makers and home entertainment companies from integrating the support for it. The rationale just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.


By abhaxus on 3/16/2012 1:30:35 AM , Rating: 1
By last two launches I was referring to the 4S and the "new" iPad or whatever it's called. If you really don't think they are underwhelming, you are definitely drinking the Apple kool-aid. If they've done anything with the previous 3 announcements (iPad, iPhone 4, iPad 2 + A5) it's set incredibly high expectations that probably any company would have trouble meeting, but Asus (with the Prime) and Samsung (with the GSII) have done reasonably well with their products. But a 3G (or faux-g) 4S and a 'new' iPad that ups the GPU speed and RAM (and battery size) to merely keep pace with a ultra high res screen (which admittedly is sexy) isn't enough to make me envy my iFriends. The app library is enough to envy though, but that will catch up over time. Android is simply too popular to be ignored in that regard.

As for the closed standard, yes, AirPlay is expensive, and closed. Well designed, for sure. But if Apple really had the best interests of consumers at heart, they would have developed it as an open standard, and we'd all be enjoying AirPlay quality and ease of use on all of our devices.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By Demonhitman on 3/15/2012 1:25:42 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree with you on some of your points as far as apple is better.

Android as DLNA but if you don't have equipment to use it(just like Apple) what's the point. The apps well Android has all the main apps that most people use. I would say the main reason you need so many apps for Apple is the lack of support for flash and lack of web site support for HTML 5. And for display really after 1080p at 60fps what more do you need? Games yes but movies not really 720p works for most people but not us tech geeks lol. Now memory that where I think you right for now. I think most people are good with about 32gb. That being said once you start getting these bigger app (to use the higher displays coming out) and HD movie (which are getting easier to get) downloads more memory (which is easier and cheaper to do on Android) is going to be needed. The core count I agree with you is way over rated. Most app and OS's don't even use duel cores well. Heck the new S4(duel core) is beating Nvidia T3(quad core) in most test. So core count means nothing right now.

I think the real fight for both will be when Windows 8 drops. It looks like it's going to have the best of both( a walled open garden lol) worlds. With Flash, Office and all Windows programs (I know the arm cpus can't use the old programs and might not have flash but intel/amd can!!!!) in one tap!! If Windows 8 tabs come out at around 399 to 499 its going to beat that hard for both.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By slunkius on 3/15/2012 1:56:15 AM , Rating: 2
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I think the real fight for both will be when Windows 8 drops


Wasn't there similar slogan about upcoming WP7? Then it came and there is not much of a fight to report. It is nice and all, but marketshare is laughable.


By acer905 on 3/15/2012 12:20:04 PM , Rating: 2
There is a difference. For WP7, Microsoft jumped into an established market with everything new. For an intel based Win8 tablet, they are using the evolution of their 20 year long number 1 selling worldwide OS as leverage. I don't think that WOA tablets will be very successful against iPad style tablets, but if Intel lives up to their claims, and can come up with an x86 design that will compete with ARM on power efficiency, while still being as powerful as current notebook CPUs, then there will be a game changer.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By xti on 3/15/2012 2:50:02 AM , Rating: 2
didnt we just have this whole ordeal in another article on DT where in the comments we all concluded that flash doesnt fkn matter anymore?


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By Commodus on 3/15/12, Rating: -1
RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By DFranch on 3/15/2012 9:36:10 AM , Rating: 2
You sir are the very definition of the pompous Apple Fan. It is your "I'm superior to everybody else, because I own an Idevice" attitude that I can't stand. Why is it so important to you that your iPad is better than what everybody else has? Why don't you want others to be satisfied with their android tablets? You remind me of the Jehovah's witnesses who go door to door trying to convince people to join their religion because it's better than your religion. Are you a prophet in the religion of Apple? Do you prey nightly to your lord and savior Steve Jobs now that he has ascended to heaven (or descended into hell)?

Or maybe it's none of these things and you're just trying to justify the money you spent (overpaid) for your iPhone/iPad?


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By Commodus on 3/15/12, Rating: 0
By retrospooty on 3/15/2012 12:52:13 PM , Rating: 3
Speaking of dead stereotypes.

As an Android fan, I can say that the new ipad looks very nice. I applaud Apple for raising the bar on resolution, both phone and tablet now. Great job. The iPad is good... You on the other hand, act like kind of a douche. The very nature of your original post above screams douchbaggery. BTW, Android 4 rocks in as many ways as the new iPad does. IOS is showing its age and needs a modern stimulus upgrade big-time. At this point in time I would say the iPad is the best hardware out there, but is being held back by its outdated OS.


By Demonhitman on 3/15/2012 1:50:13 PM , Rating: 2
What are most tabs used for right now is for multimedia and web. Flash right now is the standard really for multimedia on the web. I know Flash is (so is sliverlight) dead on mobile. The writing for both was on the wall with HTML 5 coming. The point I was trying to make was the reason why Apple need more apps. It takes a lot to run Flash (which Android shows) well. Apple said no Android said yes. So for Apple you need apps to do many of the thing you can do on web browser. With Android it not such a big deal. When HTML 5 becomes a standard (in like 2 years) then there will be no need for Flash or other media plug-ins really, it will all be apart of the web standard. As of right now you need Flash to really get the best multimedia web experience or you can do Apple and download 10-20 apps to do the same thing. Would/do you really need a YouTube, Facebook, bank, or other apps that come with most tabs if you can do it in web browser, nope. Yes Apps are easier to deal with on a phone screen but on tab not really. When you have 7" to 10" screen Apps seem limited and really weaker compared to Flash (which Android Tabs are showing with it's smaller App base) based web sites. So what are the 50 top apps on both anyway mainly games. Games Apps are what are downloaded the most on Tabs right now and most games are available on both so a big App base means nothing really. So what other apps/programs could people want/need if they dont want to play games all day? Office, 3dmax, Photoshop or other windows based programs/app maybe.

That where Windows 8 for tabs comes in. Office is going to be a part of (so say Microsoft) it. You know most company with real useful programs/app are going to remake their programs/app work for it, a lot of IT people are going to be happier deal with it then Apple/Android (which means company will by them) Tabs, and those people who are on the fence about Tabs (for whatever reason) can now justify (its for work or school) buying one now. Flash nor sliverlight work for Windows 8 tab right now but you know is coming. We all know that (even if a lot of us hate it) Windows is basically the standard OS for PC's at home, work, or school. Its going to sell and if it works as go as Microsoft says with their other stuff (phone, xbox, kinect, and skydive) its going to sell even better. Can it come out at 399 or less, yes. Look at netbooks, you can get them at 199 on up. With Asus coming out with 7" T3 and 10" T3 for 249 and 399. Im sure in another 6 months there can be Windows Tabs in that price range.

As far as Android being overpriced, both are. 3g/4g or WiFi there are a lot of Tabs that are way overpriced for what you can really use them for. That's why Fire is selling so well. For what most people use a Tab for it does ok. Can it do Flash, read eBooks and look at movies, yes! Will it over take Ipad with it's next update, maybe. Will Apple try can sue them, you can bet on it lol!!


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By sprockkets on 3/15/2012 12:37:57 AM , Rating: 5
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I can already tell you what the Android fans are thinking:


Well this one is thinking "The ipad is too big, I want a 7" Asus tablet for $250. Guess I'll buy that one."

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Direct HDMI is also absolutely moot. You need to buy a cable if you want to go wired anyways, and Apple's cable not only delivers HDMI but keeps the tablet powered.


So does MHL on my HTC sensation.

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Tablets are all about apps. You don't stare at your home screen for five minutes, you use apps.


No, I stare at my home screen for a few moments to see if I need to go into my apps vs. going into each app to check stuff.

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And, as for the quad-core processor... well, Anandtech's own benchmarks (mostly 3D) showed an iPad 2 already outrunning a Transformer Prime. Go quad-core on graphics and double the RAM and Apple's sitting in the stratosphere somewhere. Specs can matter, but don't believe the "bigger numbers are always better" myth -- it's what you're doing with the cores you've got that means the most.


After 60FPS you won't notice the difference. I'm not playing 3d games on tablets either, that's a waste of time. As long as it can do 1080p video, I don't care.

quote:
I was at Mobile World Congress. I used the new Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 and Galaxy Tab 2. Used Toshiba's new 7-inch tablet, Acer's quad-core Iconia Tab A700 and A510. Co-worker tried the new ASUS tablets. None of them scream out that you must buy them over an iPad; they're either extremely conservative tablets that are dead in the water (Samsung) or no better than a Transformer Prime, which is nice but not that exciting. They don't have the apps, they don't have the responsiveness, and they certainly don't have that display.


It's obvious you are an apple fanboi. We're not. It's a good product, but ever since apple arbitrarily killed google voice for no reason whatsoever, plus their endless lawsuits, I chose never to support apple. EVER.


By sprockkets on 3/15/2012 12:43:15 AM , Rating: 2
Oh and yes, I know apple let Google Voice back in, only after 13 months and due to the FTC threatening to sue them if they didn't.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By testerguy on 3/15/12, Rating: -1
RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By sprockkets on 3/15/2012 8:35:08 AM , Rating: 3
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The fact that other devices do this is irrelevant. His point was that you can connect the iPad to a TV using HDMI, to disprove the argument sometimes made against iPad that you can't.


No, it was to address the fact I get charged while I use MHL on my phone just like the ipad.

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It wasn't just Google voice they killed, it was numerous voice applications - and it was arguably largely influenced by AT&T. Either way, disliking Apple for that, while you're entitled to do it, is why it's obvious you're an Android fanboy and an Apple hater. That blinds your judgement.


Right. That's why they approved it in the first place, ATT is on record as NOT banning it, didn't ban it on any other phone, makes no sense to ban it since it uses normal phone minutes anyhow, and the biggest reason of all, is apple's reason:

"We haven't banned Google voice, we are studying it."

Sorry if I stopped liking a company for irrationally banning apps on the whim of SJ's crusade against google or for suing over rounded rectangles. I already said the ipad is a good product, but I guess that still makes me a fanboi and hater.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By testerguy on 3/15/12, Rating: 0
By retrospooty on 3/15/2012 1:01:21 PM , Rating: 3
TG, why dont you jsut save yorself alot of time and effort typing and just copy/paste your standard resonse. Make i generic so you dont have to retype for each situation.

"Apple is right no matter what anyone says or does. All of Apples choices are perfect, and they can do no wrong".

See, this way you dont have to type so much.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By LordSojar on 3/15/2012 12:54:08 AM , Rating: 4
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they don't have the responsiveness


Out of all your comments, this one bugs me the most, because it's just an outright lie told by a delusion mind.

I hate to break the little bubble Apple has built around you, but a Tegra3 tablet is MORE responsive than an Apple iPad of any generation thanks to the touch processing built into Tegra 3's 5th companion core. The hardware touch processing is second to none, and many many major companies agree. nVidia actually innovated something pretty cool, and they know it. So please, if you're going to belittle Android and all that jazz, that's fine... but don't lie.

Touch responsiveness on a Tegra 3 tablet is second to nothing in the world. Having supposedly used a Prime, you should know this. But, that's ok, ignore facts and replace them with idiocy; that's why Apple is the wealthiest company in the entire world.

The Transformer Infinity is everything the iPad 3 is, only with an even better camera, a much more beautiful chassis and those widgets you so casually just chose to attack for adding functionality to the device (are you that daft that you actually attack something useful because it wasn't invented by Apple?)

Oh, and HDMI cables are $5... just throwing that out there.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By nurbsenvi2 on 3/15/12, Rating: 0
RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By LordSojar on 3/15/2012 4:13:21 AM , Rating: 1
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have you used iPad? it's soooo much more responsive you are the one who is delusional.


Yep, have one 2 feet from me currently. My wife uses it on a daily basis, and I have more than enough screen time with it.

It's not more responsive than my Prime, not by a long shot, especially in things like Sketchbook Pro, etc.

Tegra 3's touch processing is just that, actual hardware driven, fully dedicated on SoC touch processing at nominal power usage. The iPad doesn't have that (until they copy it off nVidia and claim they invent it that is...)

So, no, it's not more responsive. Please stop spreading lies, thanks! Apple doesn't shit rainbows and unicorns, nor does Google. Ice Cream Sandwich is more modern than iOS. iOS has more apps. At the end of the day, it comes down to the user's experience with the device; Apple delivers a good one, as does Samsung as does ASUS.

All this idiocy is getting really old. My ASUS Transformer Prime is as good as your iPad 2/3. Ok? It's AS GOOD AS IT. Your Apple product isn't lesser than mine nor is it better. Don't degrade my product in an effort to make you feel better about your $499 spent. My Prime does what I want and what I need of it, and it does it in a sleek, seamless manner which I prefer. If your iPad 3 does the same for you, more power to you buddy! Just SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT TO ME. That's all I think really needs to stop happening here; Apple users are snobs and Android users have nerdgasms. Knock it off...


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By testerguy on 3/15/12, Rating: -1
By ShaolinSoccer on 3/15/2012 5:13:51 AM , Rating: 2
You're an absolute APPLETARD. Just Youtube any Transformer Prime video and you can clearly see it's just as fast as an iPad2.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By mutatio on 3/15/12, Rating: 0
By mcnabney on 3/15/2012 9:30:34 AM , Rating: 2
The fluidity of the i-stuff is based upon the use of the GPU to control the interface. Google chose to use the CPU instead - probably to ensure the greatest compatibility. The GPU is much more efficient at this. This Android shortcoming has been addressed by Tegra3 by using a hardware accelerator for the touchscreen itself.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By Reclaimer77 on 3/15/2012 1:00:24 AM , Rating: 5
Uhhh I'm an "Android fan" (whatever that is) and I'm thinking this is a great tablet, like the iPad2 was.

What turns me off about Apple is the way they do things, the restrictions they place on the user with arbitrary decisions like calling all Flash use "for porn", and the walled garden approach. Plus this blatant bullyism and patent trolling tactic by them in an obvious attempt to kill competition is disgusting personally.

The hardware itself is great, no denying that. I personally wouldn't pay this much for a tablet. For what this costs, I can build a bare bones Ivy Bridge PC kit which is far more useful for me. But if Apple can command a 50+% profit margin on each of these, obviously they have a compelling product for consumers.

Side note, not sure what the big deal is about Airplay though. I view tablets as media receivers. Using one to stream media to something else is totally backwards to me and not ideal. Plus, honestly, who has Apple TV anyway?


By retrospooty on 3/15/2012 7:35:47 AM , Rating: 2
"Uhhh I'm an "Android fan" (whatever that is) and I'm thinking this is a great tablet, like the iPad2 was. What turns me off about Apple is the way they do things"

2nd'ed


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By Commodus on 3/15/2012 7:38:36 AM , Rating: 1
You're conflating things here.

Apple never said Flash was for porn -- Jobs was arguing that the laissez-faire attitude towards Android app restrictions was for porn (which was a specious argument on his part, but that's another story).

Its patent tactics are a bit overmuch, but there's zero question that certain companies were simply trying to freeload off of Apple's work. Ever seen a non-US Samsung smartphone? Notice that big, central, iPhone-like home button that is mysteriously absent on every other Android phone, and which mysteriously disappears when that phone is brought to the US? Yeah... Samsung is fully aware it's copying Apple, and it had to be forced to do otherwise.

The key for AirPlay is that you don't have to wait for your media hub to get a feature to share content, and you don't have to break your experience if you want to move something you've been watching or hearing to a better source. And about 2.8 million people bought Apple TVs in 2011; another million or so of the current generation in 2010, and more in 2012. Several times more than Google TV or any other networked media hub.


By corduroygt on 3/15/2012 9:53:53 AM , Rating: 2
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And about 2.8 million people bought Apple TVs in 2011; another million or so of the current generation in 2010, and more in 2012. Several times more than Google TV or any other networked media hub

Protip: HTPCs (including mac mini), PS3's, Xbox 360's, media streamers such as WDTV Live, and Smart TV's are all network media hubs, and they vastly outnumber Apple TV sales.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By nafhan on 3/15/2012 10:39:48 AM , Rating: 2
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there's zero question that certain companies were simply trying to freeload off of Apple's work...Notice that big, central, iPhone-like home button
First of all the round home button is a design issue - not a patent issue. Second, (I've said this before) if that's enough to confuse someone into thinking they're getting an iPhone, that mostly just says something about the intelligence level of the person buying the product. Not to say that design should never be defensible, but the only people who think consumers are actually as stupid as you are alleging are the people defending Apple's IP rampage.

Also, Apple (and every other tech company) "freeloads" off the work of those who have come before them. It's how advancements in technology happen. The difference now is that the legal system surrounding IP has problems, and Apple (and others, to a lesser degree) are taking advantage of that. The system is off balance to the point that it strongly favors large companies who have a lot of money and are willing to use that money to patent everything regardless of prior art or obviousness. This does not benefit the consumer!


By Reclaimer77 on 3/15/2012 12:42:22 PM , Rating: 2
Uhhh so it's a gimped Xbox Media Center or PS3 with an Apple logo on it? Again, no thanks. Not for me.

Or a better analogy is Apple TV is a crippled Western Digital Live TV Plus with no browser, slaved to iTunes, and less than stellar codec support. You can't even stream from your OSX machine to the Apple TV, wtf is that all about? A $50 Roku does more stuff, and better, than this Apple TV. Apple TV's Netflix app also performs at an unacceptable level. 13 seconds to start a video? Unacceptable.

Once again I simply cannot consider buying yet another Apple product with the arbitrary walled garden environment they want to place me in. The device is so irrevocably chained to iTunes, a service I don't even use, there's simply NO WAY you can recommend this device. Anandtech said it best, as always:

Apple imposes basic limits on what you can play on the Apple TV. The problem I have with the Apple TV is it feels like a product with a lot of wasted potential. You can make arguments for OS X, the iPhone and even the iPad, but with the Apple TV despite its lower pricing it’s just not complete enough. You can watch some TV shows but not others, so you have to keep cable. And those that you can watch don’t stream live, you get them 24 hours later - so you might as well use Hulu or wait for the Boxee Box. I get that this aspect isn’t Apple’s fault, but the others are.

There’s no way to stream your OS X desktop to the Apple TV. That alone would be a killer feature, the Apple version of Intel’s WiDi.


By StinkyWhizzleTeeth on 3/15/2012 2:04:22 AM , Rating: 2
Android will catch up eventually, but for most people it is still better because of the greater number, and higher quality, of tablet specific apps. But that will not last.

Google just got started a few months ago. It finally has a mature tablet OS, and it will quickly dominate in the low to mid price range. More quickly than it took to overpass the iPhone, since people are already familiar with it. Plus lower price tablets will sell in far higher quantities. This will obviously attract developers. And again, there are a large number of developers familiar with the cellphone version of Android. Plus lots of Linux developers who make great free software.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By TSS on 3/15/2012 3:53:32 AM , Rating: 2
I was thinking that i still don't buy offscreen tests.

It's no good rendering stuff "off screen". it's never actually going to be used "off screen".

It's no good as a synthetic comparison either since the Ipad 3 is constantly pushing 4 times the pixels. and 60 fps "rendering a complex 3D scene" doesn't tell me shiat either. 3ds mark 2001 has "complex 3D scenes" but i'm pretty sure my PC can run that at ludicrous speed.

And limiting a benchmark to the screens refresh rate is just insane. If it can't go any faster, then how the hell has my monitor been able to display 200+ FPS for oh, forever?

This article tells me *nothing*. But even if it did, i wouldn't buy apple even if it was required by law. I simply do not agree with their business practices.

And i;m not an android fan. Infact, i use a 8 year old LG "dumbphone" with it's most advanced features, bluetooth 1.0, a now defunct IMAP and, get this, a blazing 640x480 VGA camera! Don't have any tablets or any other mobile devices.

But if my phone breaks i'll get an android smartphone. Cause i like em cheap, and apple don't come cheap.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By BZDTemp on 3/15/2012 5:11:34 AM , Rating: 1
Since you're doing the Apple vs. Android thing let me list a few issues I have with the iPads - they are pretty much all caused by Apple's desire for control.

1. No USB storage support. You can't hook up a hard disk, camera, memory stick... and access the files on it.

2. The iPad can't act as a USB drive. To transfer files to the iPad you must jump through loops where it could have been so much easier. My camera, my phone and pretty much anything will act as a USB drive if connected to a PC or Mac, but Apple devices will not.

3. No Flash. Say what you want about issues with Flash but I want freedom of choice not an Apple prison.

4. Apps. I could perhaps accept the App Store control Apple holds if they ensured quality and was open and fair about their requirements but neither is true. There is crap and even money scam apps in the store and what is allowed and what falls to Apples censorship is random.

The iPads are nice but they could be so much better if Apple wasn't being dicks. It's funny and sad that a company which once took pride in being different and honest has become worse than even Microsoft and Oracle combined. Apple need to watch their 1984 add again and then look in the mirror.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By Commodus on 3/15/2012 8:05:18 AM , Rating: 1
1. Camera adapter works for SD cards and direct camera connections. Wireless storage works too.

2. There's actually some file system-related reasons as to why. On the Galaxy Nexus, Google decided it was more important to have contiguous storage than to enable the usual USB drive support; Apple's in the same position. It limits you in some ways, but it also means you don't end up with 5GB of wasted space because you wanted USB support.

3. Adobe is dropping mobile Flash because it joined Apple in seeing that HTML5 is superior. Dead argument.

4. The overall bar for apps is still higher, sorry. Not to mention that Google's mobile VP Andy Rubin openly despises tablet-native apps; he only wants universal apps, and he does nothing to help you find tablet-native apps on Google Play. Which platform as a tablet developer would you rather support?

Also: there's a hilarious irony to you trying to make the 1984 Orwellian parallel with Google. You know, the company that wants to know everything about you, betrayed net neutrality for the sake of a deal with Verizon, and is currently under FTC investigation for anti-competitive behavior. Want to not be a hypocrite? Drop every Android product you own. Immediately.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By B3an on 3/15/2012 8:52:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Adobe is dropping mobile Flash because it joined Apple in seeing that HTML5 is superior. Dead argument.


You're making stuff up, like most iTards. Flash is superior and will remain superior for years to come. Try running HTML5 games on a phone, then run Flash games, and watch as the Flash games run at literally 10x the frame rate AND have better graphics. Infact, theres countless videos of this on youtube. I also make games in both formats so i know what i'm talking about. Flash is FAR more capable and has by far the best dev tools.

The reason Flash was dropped for mobile is because Win 8 will not support it on ARM, and because making a all the different Flash players for tons of devices and Android versions got out of hand.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By KPOM1 on 3/15/2012 9:18:46 AM , Rating: 2
Flash is so superior that its developer is dropping it because Microsoft won't support it and there are too many versions out there for Android.

Yes, that makes perfect sense to me. We have a superior product, so let's cancel development of it.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By RaV3NNN on 3/15/2012 10:36:46 AM , Rating: 2
Its plain, simple and obvious. Most apple users have no technical knowledge what so ever. They buy the new, flashing and pretty product from who THEY think is the best. It comes down to hardware and the simple fact that these tablets cant do anything to graphically intense no matter how strong they are. Games have good frame rates on both of them and that's that. It is irrelevant to compare them. Neither is better than the other. If I had to choose it would be android for flexibility. Apple keeps you stuck in their world without modification. Android is the opposite. ..


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By BSMonitor on 3/15/2012 10:50:33 AM , Rating: 1
NO ONE with a life wants to spend their life customizing their phone!!!!!!


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2012 11:02:46 AM , Rating: 2
And because you say so it must be true? No, sorry...


By Commodus on 3/15/2012 10:46:16 AM , Rating: 2
Apparently you've never actually read anything Adobe said.

Dropping Flash had zero to do with Windows 8. Everything to do with believing HTML5 is the superior option, both for market reach and cross-platform support. A direct quote from Adobe's blog:

quote:
However, HTML5 is now universally supported on major mobile devices, in some cases exclusively. This makes HTML5 the best solution for creating and deploying content in the browser across mobile platforms. We are excited about this, and will continue our work with key players in the HTML community, including Google, Apple, Microsoft and RIM, to drive HTML5 innovation they can use to advance their mobile browsers.


It's not hard to read the subtext: Apple drove HTML5 adoption (yes, partly by being stubborn over Flash). Windows 8 Flash support on ARM? Not even mentioned. Given that Windows tablets are already a tiny niche, a subset of a future version of that niche wasn't dictating Adobe's practices.


RE: Preempting Android fan responses
By elmikethemike on 3/15/2012 8:59:19 PM , Rating: 2
He didn't make anything up. Adobe is done with Flash and moving on. Flash is some of the most malware-prone, inefficient crap to ever grace the internet. If it were the opposite, everyone would support it. Sorry, you're just wrong.

And for people that are all about open standards, I find the arguments against HTML5 vs Flash hilarious. Cherry picking left and right.


By elmikethemike on 3/15/2012 9:02:47 PM , Rating: 2
By x10Unit1 on 3/15/2012 4:28:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
4. The overall bar for apps is still higher, sorry. Not to mention that Google's mobile VP Andy Rubin openly despises tablet-native apps; he only wants universal apps, and he does nothing to help you find tablet-native apps on Google Play. Which platform as a tablet developer would you rather support?


Honestly, I think the drive to have a universal app for both tablet and phone could be a good thing and I believe that is what ICS was meant to provide. Having the same application function the same with the exception of the screen size could be a really awesome feature for an app to have.

I don't know much about the development side for apple but I thought this is what they did as well?


By VoodooChicken on 3/15/2012 12:38:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"But it doesn't have widgets, theoretically more freedom with apps, a microSD slot, or a quad-core processor! It's inherently inferior!"


I wasn't thinking this. You don't know me at all!!!!! :(


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