quote: however, my Prime's screen is far brighter than the iPad 2's or the 3's, and as such, I can use my ANYWHERE including in DIRECT sunlight...
quote: and the picture quality is as good or better than Apple's iPad 3s
quote: the Tegra 3 is quite potent for a mobile GPU
quote: and my keyboard dock lets me type documents on the go
quote: So... why do I need an iPad 3 again? Oh right, apps... screens filled with little icons instead of interactive widgets that I can simply glance at
quote: Because you've placed the new iPad side by side with your prime and compared? And in DIRECT sunlight too?
quote: Again, because you've taken the exact same photo on both and compared quality? Or are you just guessing.
quote: Well it's all relative. Whichever way we word it, Tegra 3 is a relatively slow GPU. Slower even than the iPad 2.
quote: You can get a keyboard dock for the iPad too.
quote: The point in the apps argument is that there are many functionalities which many people want which simply aren't available on Android.
quote: Wasn't it Apple who said not to use the iPad in direct sunlight because of overheating?
quote: Perhaps he's read the numerous reviews stating the Prime's camera to be the best camera on a tablet thus far?
quote: I'll use your own wording for this... Again, because you've played the exact same game on both and compared quality at the same resolution? Or are you just guessing. Since you're wearing the rose colored glasses, you might not understand the reference. The iPad 2's GPU has to push 786,432 pixels, where as the Tegra 3's resolution has to push 1,024,000 pixels on the prime. That's roughly a 30% difference. Is the iPad 2's GPU 30% faster? As far as the new iPad's GPU being 4x faster... well, it HAS to be. It's powering 3,145,728 pixels. This also goes into my storage argument later on, so stay tuned.
quote: Does said iPad keyboard have a mousepad? Full size SD card slot? USB slot? Built in battery? (btw, the Prime I was sampling easily got 3-4 days of moderate usage on the battery, not sure where you got your battery claims from).
quote: You don't quite yet understand the differences between where the Prime is going and where your beloved iPad is going. The iPad is a media consumption device. Always has been. To your defense most Android tablets are as well. The Prime is trying to blur that line and make the tablet more useful for creation scenarios. I've had the privelage to personally test a Prime side by side with an iPad 2, and the distinction is clear. There comes a point where an iPad user will say "I want to do x, but it's just not feasible with the iPad's input methods". For example, while I had the Prime, I was able to take a few pictures with my digital camera. After, I took my SD card out of the camera and put it into the Prime's SD slot (on the keyboard), loaded the pictures into Photoshop Touch, did some adjustments, and emailed them off to the people who needed them. I did NOT have to carry around a laptop or hunt for a computer with photoshop installed. Simple, easy, PRODUCTIVE
quote: No your point in the argument is someone has challenged your amazing new iDevice. You make blanket statements such as the one I just quoted, without backing it up with any proof. Which apps do people simply want, that aren't available?
quote: And widgets aren't useful? That's probably because you've never had them in the iWorld. Weather, News, Email, SMS, Music, Movie Times, Sports Scores, System Tools, Toggles, are all vastly more efficiently accessed via a widget than opening an app for each one. How easy is it to toggle WiFi on the iPad? What about looking up weather? Email? etc. Gliding from screen to screen on the Android homescreen can answer all these questions without ever opening an app.
quote: One final argument before I finish. Storage space. iPads don't have anything other than what's built in. While testing the prime, I had 32GB on board, 32GB in a microSD, 32GB on a full SD, and finally 32GB on a usb stick. I didn't get a chance to test the usb port for portable hard drives, so I can't comment as to whether they work or not, but all together, that's 128GB of space to play with. You may argue that the iPad doesn't need all that, but have you heard of the new Retina display? How small do you think building textures for that resolution will be? On Android a decent game can take 500MB, easy.
quote: We get it, you love Apple. While their new iPad is a great device for sure, it's not vastly steps ahead of the competition. I'd reluctantly recommend it to people who want a media consumption appliance, where they are guided on how they can use it and don't have many options to veer from the path. While the GPU on the iPad may indeed be the fastest available, it has to be just to keep up with the experience of other tablets that have already been on the market for months. It's still a step behind in the actual number crunching department, plain and simple.
quote: I don't love Apple at all
quote: Does that link from 2010 refer to the iPad 3? No.
quote: None of which will have tested the iPad 3 camera. Which is precisely my point. A complete you obviously missed.
quote: The relative benchmark speeds of GPU's has nothing at all to do with resolution. All benchmarks, ideally, such as those on Anandtech, are at the same resolution. Your comments about screen resolution are therefore completely meaningless. The benchmarks show that at the SAME RESOLUTION, the iPad 2 GPU is up to 2x faster than tegra 3. I therefore can evidence my logical claim that the Tegra 3 is relatively slow when compared to the GPU in the iPad 3 (which is theoretically 2x faster than the iPad 2 GPU). The fact that the new iPad has even more pixels is completely irrelevant too because it can render at iPad 2 resolution and upscale if required. And also because a GPU isn't measured by the device it's in - it's measured by the graphics it can produce relative to other GPU's when resolution is constant.
quote: You can get one with USB slots, SD cards, batteries, yes. Very easily, or a mouse accessory. But the original comment didn't say this, and neither did my reply. So your failed point is irrelevant. The bottom line is that in accessory terms, you'd struggle to find a device with more accessories than the iPad 3.
quote: Firstly - you say 'beloved' iPad. I don't own a tablet. Just because I am not so bitter about Apple that I can appreciate what they have developed like anyone logical, doesn't mean I love them or own them.
quote: Secondly - this discussion isn't about where devices are 'going', it's specifically about where they are now, comparing the iPad 3 to the Transformer Prime. Nothing to do with the future.
quote: Thirdly - there come points for Android tablet users every day when there aren't apps available when they want to do productive things. It's well documented how much fewer apps there are on Android and how they always come second. Your example of photo editing is pretty ironic given that Apples new software provides the ability to do precisely what you describe. Simply take the photo, plug the SD card into your iPhone SD adapter ($5), edit it using the iPhone photo editing software (very highly regarded). And of course, that photo editing happens faster due to the more capable GPU and in better quality due to the superior screen resolution.
quote: Fourthly yes the difference is immediately obvious because one is ugly, poorly made, lower resolution, slower, has a battery which dies sooner and has MUCH fewer apps.
quote: And yet, no one cares about Android Tablets/Phones with all these ports and memory slots and more storage...
quote: The new iPad kills the Prime with gpu speed and incredible screen. That alone makes the prime a piece of trash... Why would anyone buy a Prime now when for the same price they could pick up the new iPad? P.S LED flash is garbage, I never use it on my iphone 4s as the pictures look terrible with it on. Having the gps being broken but dismissing it as not important is a joke. Android is garbage with some crappy widgets slapped on compared to the slick and simple to use iOS 5.1.
quote: You will never reason with this iTool. It's not worth the breath or effort.
quote: you just don't get it. These are simple devices that play games and go on the web, it doesn't matter which one you use or want.
quote: Neither does anything better than the other. There is not one feature an apple tablet has that an android doesn't. There is actually MUCH more a person can do with an android tablet depending on their knowledge
quote: And there is absolutely nothing like AirPlay on Android right now. Tapping a couple of buttons and suddenly seeing wireless video on your TV (if you have an Apple TV) or your music on your speakers is something.
quote: I think the real fight for both will be when Windows 8 drops
quote: I can already tell you what the Android fans are thinking:
quote: Direct HDMI is also absolutely moot. You need to buy a cable if you want to go wired anyways, and Apple's cable not only delivers HDMI but keeps the tablet powered.
quote: Tablets are all about apps. You don't stare at your home screen for five minutes, you use apps.
quote: And, as for the quad-core processor... well, Anandtech's own benchmarks (mostly 3D) showed an iPad 2 already outrunning a Transformer Prime. Go quad-core on graphics and double the RAM and Apple's sitting in the stratosphere somewhere. Specs can matter, but don't believe the "bigger numbers are always better" myth -- it's what you're doing with the cores you've got that means the most.
quote: I was at Mobile World Congress. I used the new Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 and Galaxy Tab 2. Used Toshiba's new 7-inch tablet, Acer's quad-core Iconia Tab A700 and A510. Co-worker tried the new ASUS tablets. None of them scream out that you must buy them over an iPad; they're either extremely conservative tablets that are dead in the water (Samsung) or no better than a Transformer Prime, which is nice but not that exciting. They don't have the apps, they don't have the responsiveness, and they certainly don't have that display.
quote: So does MHL on my HTC sensation.
quote: No, I stare at my home screen for a few moments to see if I need to go into my apps vs. going into each app to check stuff.
quote: After 60FPS you won't notice the difference. I'm not playing 3d games on tablets either, that's a waste of time. As long as it can do 1080p video, I don't care.
quote: It's obvious you are an apple fanboi. We're not. It's a good product, but ever since apple arbitrarily killed google voice for no reason whatsoever, plus their endless lawsuits, I chose never to support apple. EVER.
quote: The fact that other devices do this is irrelevant. His point was that you can connect the iPad to a TV using HDMI, to disprove the argument sometimes made against iPad that you can't.
quote: It wasn't just Google voice they killed, it was numerous voice applications - and it was arguably largely influenced by AT&T. Either way, disliking Apple for that, while you're entitled to do it, is why it's obvious you're an Android fanboy and an Apple hater. That blinds your judgement.
quote: No, it was to address the fact I get charged while I use MHL on my phone just like the ipad
quote: Sorry if I stopped liking a company for irrationally banning apps on the whim of SJ's crusade against google or for suing over rounded rectangles. I already said the ipad is a good product, but I guess that still makes me a fanboi and hater.
quote: Right. That's why they approved it in the first place, ATT is on record as NOT banning it, didn't ban it on any other phone, makes no sense to ban it since it uses normal phone minutes anyhow, and the biggest reason of all, is apple's reason: "We haven't banned Google voice, we are studying it."
quote: they don't have the responsiveness
quote: have you used iPad? it's soooo much more responsive you are the one who is delusional.
quote: And about 2.8 million people bought Apple TVs in 2011; another million or so of the current generation in 2010, and more in 2012. Several times more than Google TV or any other networked media hub
quote: there's zero question that certain companies were simply trying to freeload off of Apple's work...Notice that big, central, iPhone-like home button
quote: And limiting a benchmark to the screens refresh rate is just insane. If it can't go any faster, then how the hell has my monitor been able to display 200+ FPS for oh, forever?
quote: Adobe is dropping mobile Flash because it joined Apple in seeing that HTML5 is superior. Dead argument.
quote: However, HTML5 is now universally supported on major mobile devices, in some cases exclusively. This makes HTML5 the best solution for creating and deploying content in the browser across mobile platforms. We are excited about this, and will continue our work with key players in the HTML community, including Google, Apple, Microsoft and RIM, to drive HTML5 innovation they can use to advance their mobile browsers.
quote: 4. The overall bar for apps is still higher, sorry. Not to mention that Google's mobile VP Andy Rubin openly despises tablet-native apps; he only wants universal apps, and he does nothing to help you find tablet-native apps on Google Play. Which platform as a tablet developer would you rather support?
quote: "But it doesn't have widgets, theoretically more freedom with apps, a microSD slot, or a quad-core processor! It's inherently inferior!"