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Former Governor Schwarzenegger was a driving force behind the numerous appeals

Numerous studies are cited that link an increase in aggression for people that play violent video games, however, there is also an equally large number of studies done finding no correlation between violent video games and resultant violent acts in the real world. Still, state governments, such as California, have tried to ban the sale of violent video games to children and spent boatloads of money in the pursuit.
 
Last summer, the state of California saw its final plea in an attempt to pass a state law banning the sale of violent video games to children and imposing significant fines on retailers who sell the games to children shot down by the U.S. Supreme Court. After losing that final appeal, the total taxpayers in the state of California were forced to pay -- for what many agree to be an asinine law that clearly violated First Amendment rights -- was about $2 million.
 
The big backers of the bill in the California state government included then Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and state Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown. With Gov. Schwarzenegger  now out of office, the blame will likely fall on those who remain in the California state government that backed the bill through many losses and appeals all the way to the top court in the land.
 
"It was an important issue to the governor," said Andrea Hoch, who was Schwarzenegger's legal affairs secretary and now an appellate court judge. "It was something he felt strongly about."
 
"I think we felt the issue was so important that it warranted the costs associated with it," said Jim Humes, Brown's chief deputy at the time and now his executive secretary.
 
One of the more interesting things that Humes said is that the state of California rarely appeals cases all the way to the Supreme Court. Had the law passed, it would've imposed a $1,000 fine on retailers for each instance of selling violent games to minors. Violent games include those depicting a violent act such as murder, rape, and others.
 
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia wrote, "Whatever the challenges of applying the Constitution to ever-advancing technology, the basic principles of freedom of speech and the press, like the First Amendment's command, do not vary. The United States has no history of protecting children from depictions of violence: Cinderella's evil stepsisters have their eyes picked out by doves, for example, and Hansel and Gretel kill their captor by baking her in the oven."

Sources: Examiner, eCollegetimes



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Ever heard of parenting? Responsibility?
By Schrag4 on 2/22/2012 10:34:16 AM , Rating: 5
It's not the government's job to make sure my kids are doing x and aren't doing y. It's my job as a parent to oversee what they do and what they're subjected to.

<sigh>

And for those parents who claim they can't be there every second of every day to keep an eye on their kids, I say they COULD be there MORE but they choose not to. Other taxpayers shouldn't be responsible for raising their kids. It's called parenting, and like it or not, it comes with a lot of responsibility.

/rant




RE: Ever heard of parenting? Responsibility?
By msheredy on 2/22/2012 11:16:42 AM , Rating: 2
If I could I'd give your rating a 6 but I can't...

BTW why are there limits on the ratings? Mods?


By Digimonkey on 2/22/2012 11:40:53 AM , Rating: 2
It makes filtering by comment threshold manageable.


RE: Ever heard of parenting? Responsibility?
By The Raven on 2/22/2012 11:41:31 AM , Rating: 5
I agree with the whole "watch your damn kids" sentiment as that obviously doesn't happen much these days. Say what you will about these perverted broad laws regarding video games, but the concept of laws restricting children in general is not a new concept and we shouldn't act like it is.

Everyone talked about these laws on the free speech front, but we can (and I would say should) restrict children to some extent. We don't let them drive until 16 or so, drink until 21 smoke until 18, porn, strip clubs etc are all all restricted by law in most areas if not all in the US.

So I am not saying whether I support such a thing but it is not a new concept and we should look in the mirror before we call these law makers morons.

Though as I understood these attempted laws they were VERY POORLY constucted and therefore I would like to call them morons.


RE: Ever heard of parenting? Responsibility?
By kattanna on 2/22/2012 11:58:04 AM , Rating: 5
i have always found it interesting that we are more concerned in this country with a child seeing a boobie, then someone dying on the news.


RE: Ever heard of parenting? Responsibility?
By quiksilvr on 2/23/2012 11:57:48 AM , Rating: 2
Or the fact that you can go to a war zone at 18, go to jail and get anally raped, and be put to death, BUT NO TITS OR ALCOHOL FOR YOU!

Why can't 18 be the cutoff point for everything?


RE: Ever heard of parenting? Responsibility?
By The Raven on 2/23/2012 12:20:43 PM , Rating: 2
QFT, but at the same time have you seen the 18 year olds that we have been cranking out lately? Maybe we should raise the age to 25 for everything lol.

No but seriously 20 might be a good number. But it certainly doesn't make sense that you can smoke at one age but not drink. I do neither but this inconsistency has bothered me for the longest time.


RE: Ever heard of parenting? Responsibility?
By tastyratz on 2/23/2012 12:38:05 PM , Rating: 2
The only real reason for the drinking age being 21 right now is the trickle down effect. At 18 you likely have friends that are 16 you regularly hang out with attending high school. These friends might ask you to buy booze and then they have a much easier channel for underage drinking supplies. Kids will always find booze in their parents closet, etc... but this is a direct easy source, in school.
Kids under 18 should not be trusted to drink recklessly, they do stupid things. I don't have a problem with adults allowing their 16 year old kid to have a few drinks as long as they remain in the house under adult supervision though.

I think at 18 you SHOULD legally be able to drink, although I don't know how dealing with underage drinking would be avoided at that point. At the least we should not criminalize anyone over 18 on possession or intoxication the way we do.
Maybe allow served drinks in open containers only? Maybe allowing them to buy drinks at bars and establishments but not purchase bottles to discourage distribution?

If you are old enough to die for your country, you are old enough for a beer.


By The Raven on 2/23/2012 5:30:08 PM , Rating: 2
Well the questions keep on coming...
Why is 18 the graduation age?
Why is 18 the limit to serve in the armed forces?
... ... I think this all is way past due for a reevaluation, just like the retirement age.I'd say 20 is a good compromise. Maybe they can enlist at 18 still but no combat until 20. I am not in the military but I think some training and non-military education would be great to fill the 2 years with. Of course this would cost some money but those kids would be better soldiers I would wager. We could make it more selective to reduce costs I guess.


By HOOfan 1 on 2/24/2012 12:32:32 PM , Rating: 2
I still love the Michael Crichton quote

"The current near-hysterical preoccupation with safety is at best a waste of resources and crimp on the human spirit, and at worst an invitation to totalitarianism"


RE: Ever heard of parenting? Responsibility?
By Belard on 2/22/2012 11:42:00 AM , Rating: 1
But apparently, its the Virginia's governments jobs to rape women legally and take away birth control pills.

As well as what religion you are supposed to part of and other aspects of your life in order to adopt (in Virginia).

As well as no sex before marriage.


RE: Ever heard of parenting? Responsibility?
By bobsmith1492 on 2/22/2012 12:37:50 PM , Rating: 3
Rape women legally, no. Come on now. Anyone having an abortion needs ultrasounds anyway.


By lagomorpha on 2/22/2012 8:33:11 PM , Rating: 2
I think he means "rape" in a figurative sense in the legal department. As in "getting raped in Halo", there is no actual penetration.

And you must have missed the push to attempt to force women to either see an ultrasound of their fetus or sign a waver saying they were prevented the option before getting an abortion in the hopes that seeing the little sack of cells will change the woman's mind.


By FITCamaro on 2/22/2012 12:55:09 PM , Rating: 2
What drivel are you talking about?


By JediJeb on 2/23/2012 5:49:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
As well as no sex before marriage.


Just imagine though, if nobody ever had sex before marriage and married and stayed married for life. Within two generations all STDs would be more or less eliminated from society.

Not that I have lived by such standards myself, but that thought just struck me when I read the above quote. Do we willingly give up the opportunity to eliminate several diseases for our own pleasure? Does that make us selfish people? Just wondering.


By xti on 2/22/2012 11:38:29 AM , Rating: 3
...and at some point, you just gotta realize that some kids are stupid. you cant fix stupid.

I watched the coyote get blown up a 1000 times while the roadrunner ran away as a kid. I turned out fine....Why? Cuz the concept of right and wrong is not that hard and I can cut my own meat.


By NINaudio on 2/22/2012 11:53:19 AM , Rating: 2
Couldn't agree with you more. Parents need to teach their children the difference between reality (school, work, etc.) and fantasy (video games, tv, cartoons).

I'm sure that I'm not the only person here who has played most of the violent games that were supposed have the effect of making us violent, and that most of us turned out ok and non-violent in real life.


By Omega215D on 2/22/2012 12:08:02 PM , Rating: 4
It shouldn't be our responsibility to monitor their overdeveloped cum shot of a child....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyQkHgsbhCA&list=UU...


RE: Ever heard of parenting? Responsibility?
By FITCamaro on 2/22/2012 12:54:01 PM , Rating: 3
Hi I'm from the government. You have said a banned and prejudiced word. "Responsible". You will be imprisoned for a time of one year and be forced to go through sensitivity training where you will learn that no one is responsible for their actions.


By Omega215D on 2/22/2012 1:52:58 PM , Rating: 4
*Bzzzt*

You are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute


By Coca Cola on 2/22/2012 8:05:29 PM , Rating: 2
California Stuck with $2 Million Bill After Failed "Violent Video Game" Law

Takes money

quote:
Had the law passed, it would've imposed a $1,000 fine on retailers for each instance of selling violent games to minors.


To make money


By Phanbot on 2/23/2012 12:40:00 PM , Rating: 2
You are so right, I hate having to show ID to a employee in my local Gamestop who's half my age in order to buy a video game with a mature rating. So long as Mommy and Daddy are rest assured the government's fulfilling the parent's role of policing their children at my expense.


We need "loser pays" Tort/Lawsuit/Court Fees Reform
By kenyee on 2/22/2012 11:20:45 AM , Rating: 2
It's ridiculous that you can put stupid stuff up and the taxpayers have to pay for it.

If politicians spend $2M on something like this, they should pay *out of their own salaries*...not taxpayers :-P




By The Raven on 2/22/2012 11:43:04 AM , Rating: 3
You could always move...which it seems a lot of people are doing. I was one of them. There won't be as many taxpayers to pick up the bill.


By AFUMCBill on 2/22/2012 11:41:04 AM , Rating: 2
...and then we would find out how important it really was to them.

Prediction: Not much.


By bebimbap on 2/22/2012 1:21:06 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, the tax payers usually are the ones that make the government waste money.
one angry/concerned/stupid or a combination of the 3 got together with a bunch of others that are the same, and wrote/called their DA and harassed till they got what they wanted, their day in court.
Of course they weren't "rich" enough to do it with their own money. But one crying baby is much louder than 100 sleeping ones.


By lagomorpha on 2/22/2012 8:39:35 PM , Rating: 2
I propose we remove voting rights from mothers.


By tayb on 2/22/2012 4:18:04 PM , Rating: 2
The taxpayers voted these guys into office. Arnold was re-elected. I think you underestimate how many people in California were for this legislation.

There was some prominent California lawyer who was crusading against video games that was actually disbarred.


RE: We need "loser pays" Tort/Lawsuit/Court Fees Reform
By rcc on 2/22/2012 4:41:09 PM , Rating: 2
You sure he wasn't from Florida?


By tayb on 2/22/2012 5:30:35 PM , Rating: 2
You're right. I was trying to find his name and couldn't. Jack Thompson and he WAS from Florida.


Tetris
By Slipgate on 2/22/2012 2:36:29 PM , Rating: 4
I saw this somewhere "If violent games made me violent, tetris would make me an architect." and considering I've put hundreds of hours in tetris, I'm pretty sure Dubai would be jealous of the stuff I could build.




Oh Arnold
By Reclaimer77 on 2/22/2012 2:48:35 PM , Rating: 2
What happened to you?

In the 80's and 90's you, yes YOU directly, helped to create a culture of violence through American cinema. Your gratuitous violence legendary. Your cool one liners after, before, or during a murder cemented into pop culture for all time.

You got older, softer, wiser? Maybe. But this stance on video games, after making millions and reaching the highest levels of stardom due to violent movies is just hypocritical.

You made your choices, fine. Nobody can judge you for that. But like all politicians, you apparently want to rob others from making their own.




RE: Oh Arnold
By Slipgate on 2/22/2012 2:50:45 PM , Rating: 2
smh, listen, I don't agree with what they wanted to do, but thinking this was all Arnold is naive.


My Generation
By macca007 on 2/23/2012 1:20:02 AM , Rating: 2
Anyone here over 35+ ?
If you are then you have owned or played all there is from the very first Pong to the latest Battlefield 3, Don't blame the games, Blame the bad parenting which is to blame, There is no discipline and what is worse is parents now are too afraid to give a smack incase of stupidly overprotective child abuse claims by goodie goodies out there who think they know better. Back in my day there was the strap even though it was never needed for me the fear alone was enough to deter me from any wrong doing, Even schools had the option to whack you back then. I would also say to some extent it is the food now as well, All the high protein that is added as extra effects your hormones which in turn effects your moods, List goes on how about fast pace lifestyles we live now, All the stress from work,congested traffic all of this adds to frustration and rage later on. These silly University studies that just go on and say games are to blame are an absolute joke, Games are the least of the worries, Maybe games even relieve stress and help calm people down not make them more angry!




RE: My Generation
By ShaolinSoccer on 2/23/2012 5:42:48 AM , Rating: 2
Some states still allow the paddle. You just have to sign a paper saying it's OK for them to use it on your child lol

But as for games. I don't blame the game. I blame the society it creates. Lets face it. If you've played online games, you've seen how people talk and act. It's quite disturbing...


Cinderella
By xti on 2/22/2012 10:25:29 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Cinderella's evil stepsisters have their eyes picked out by doves


those bitches deserved it.




By RyeGuy6111 on 2/22/2012 1:10:21 PM , Rating: 3
Activision Blizzard, EA and many others have game studios here. Its no wonder business are leaving.




By Arsynic on 2/22/2012 1:59:16 PM , Rating: 3
...therefore, Baby Dolls contribute to teen pregnancy. Let's ban them.




More Independent Testing
By Mitch101 on 2/22/2012 10:37:31 AM , Rating: 2
Obviously more Independent Testing is required until they get the result they pay for supporting their cause. /sarcasm off

How many millions of COD/BFx were sold and how many of us are out there committing crimes as a result? Guess playing leisure suit larry at a young age made me a player too?

These games I believe instill a bit of reality like playing paintball. It gives a bit of reality to those who believed they were Rambo. Oh sorry about that paintball between the eyes on your mask guess you not the Rambo you thought you were. Probably an indication of what would happen to you in the real world John.




It's criminal...
By Beenthere on 2/22/2012 5:04:08 PM , Rating: 2
...the crap companies get away with in duping gullible, braindead kids. It's all about the money.




Uuuum....
By jurassic512 on 2/25/2012 6:16:20 AM , Rating: 2
"Violent games include those depicting a violent act such as murder, rape, and others."

Rape in a video game? That's a new one.




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