Source: 9 to 5 Mac
quote: You are still believing in an artificial limit. Do some research on how much metal is current recycled and how much is created from raw ore. The economy is about creating things, not raping the world as you see it.
quote: Energy is the most recyclable thing there ever has been. Ever heard of E=mC^2?
quote: Even mass theoretically can be made into energy or vice versa
quote: We can take chemical energy and change it into kinetic energy
quote: Take any energy and it can theoretically be changed into any other form of energy
quote: energy is the most recyclable thing that has ever existed.
quote: Everyone agrees that the idea of a perpetual motion machine is a good thing, but it's also something impossible in a system on earth
quote: Economics isn't about what's "good" per se, but what's the correct price for things.
quote: Even mass theoretically can be made into energy or vice versa.
quote: All recycling and renewable energy is "lossy."
quote: The sun isn't renewable, the energy from it comes at a loss to the reserved energy of the sun.
quote: And theories make everything more understandable. Newton's theories on motion didn't only describe what existed at the time, but helped people create more useful things that Newton never imagined could exist. The engine for example. "Theoretically" is one of the things that does help the real world, and quite significantly at times.
quote: coldfriction, appearantly your economic analysis fails to realize we have reached a ceiling. The world will not let us use more oil than we currently are.
quote: It used to be cheap, but a cost analysis shows solar breaks even in a number of years now, not decades like it used to be.
quote: Know what's funny? I can see a future, call it 75+ years from now, when people like you will grandstand about us "depending" on Rare Earth metals in all the solar panels. And about how we have to get off them or we're all doomed or something lol.
quote: That's hogwash. Your statement is only true if the oil currently being exploited was all that was left on the planet. Which we know not to be the case.
quote: Maybe I was incorrectly educated. I was taught a law known as the Conservation of Energy.
quote: So what if we have to quit using oil? Oil isn't the economy, human's producing things worth trading for the betterment of all is what the economy is about.
quote: should we run out of nuclear, we still have the sun
quote: Good thing I believe in the conservation of energy and that all things change; there is no true loss or gain, just a better condition if we make it
quote: I do understand that we can't close the universe off to obtain all the energy in it, and that entropy removes energy from any system that isn't the entire universe.
quote: Fear mongering is what is killing the progress of mankind. Like the stupid belief that mankind can't make itself better than it is.
quote: BTW it's not hypocrisy. The original poster said that our economy has a cieling; that it is limited in it's ability to grow. I say it is not and back my claim.
quote: Running scared from a boogeyman is not adapting. We need to obtain better understanding of what energies exist, how to reorganize them, and where we go from where we are. Creating a false scenario of the sky falling puts everyone into bunker mode and not progress mode.
quote: We need efficiencies of capturing solar energy to be ECONOMICALLY viable before we can do without oil and nuclear, this is only occurs through reorganization and creation. Get the scientists to quit worrying about the end of the world and they might make something to help someone instead.
quote: it is manipulation of the laws that exist to get something desired.