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The Pioneer BDR-101A Blu-ray recorder
$1000 burning a hole in your pocket?

For those who cannot wait to get on the Blu-ray train, Pioneer's BDR-101A PC Blu-ray recorder is just starting to trickle into the retail channel.  Tiger Direct has just listed the BDR-101A for sale at a mere $999.99.  Many analysts had speculated that Pioneer would drop the price of the BDR-101A significantly after NEC and Toshiba both announced PC HD-DVD recorders for under $500. 

The HD-DVD camp currently does not have a recordable device, nor media, but Toshiba currently has the only next-generation set top player available on the retail market, the HD-DVD Toshiba HD-A1 -- though the Sony Blu-ray BDP-S1 player is also expected to show up at your local Fry's, eventually.

Pioneer announced the device several months ago at the Consumer Electronics Expo 2006 in Las Vegas.  Recordable media was announced a few weeks ago, with single layer 25GB once-recordable discs checking in at $48, and re-recordable discs coming in at $60.

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Blu-ray must win
By Mudvillager on 5/18/2006 2:40:43 PM , Rating: 2
I really hope Blu-Ray comes out as the "winner" in this battle. I'd hate seeing a techically inferior format winning. 1080p is REALLY that much better than 1080i. Ok the prices are a tad bit high at the moment, however prices are going to drop like crazy and in a year or so it'll be down to $100 for a reader.

Anyways creathir can you point me to a place where they state that bluray movies will go for 40-50 dollars?
Don't think Sony would be that stupid.

RE: Blu-ray must win
By michal1980 on 5/18/06, Rating: -1
RE: Blu-ray must win
By outsider on 5/18/2006 3:37:17 PM , Rating: 3
Lets say "powerful aliens" come down on earth and order us not to use BluRay or we will be exterminated. Than for the future people have only the choice of HD-DVD. And FYI current XBox360 don't have HD-DVD players.

Sorry but yours was the most brain-damaged post I've read in 2006. I cannot even force myself to be polite... for the first time in 2006!

RE: Blu-ray must win
By SunAngel on 5/18/06, Rating: 0
RE: Blu-ray must win
By SLI on 5/18/2006 3:32:46 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, Sony *IS* that stupid. And yes, the "inferior" technology will win...again, ala VHS vs BetaMax, and Surprise! Sony boffed up that one too!

Case(s) in point: (true) 1080P is "better" but the is not a digital camera in existence that can fim at that resolution and there are precious few HDTV's available tat can accept a 1080p input. Heck, Sony's spanking $4000.00+ SXRD LCOS HDTV cant even accept a 1080p signal! EVEN FROM THE PS3 that is due in 6 months! looks like the left hand dont know what the right hand is doing. Oh and your $499.00 ("cheap" version)PS3's dirty little secret? No HDMI. Yep. Kinda dumb to by a "blue ray player" for 499.00 and have to use component input dont you think? Like buying a Ferrari and yanking half the spark plug wires off. Lest us not forget that some 1st tier game developers like Sega and THQ are lamenting the fact the PS3 dev kit design *STILL* is not finalized and they have not been getting the dev kits they need (in time for the launch) this means LESS titles and poorer quality games at launch. Oh and the whole (lack of rumble thing is a total joke, Seems Nintendo can do wireless/gyroscope with rumble, whats Sony's problem...Oh ya..Immersion ;-) And Immersion has offered "many" solutions to Sony for it but Sony would just rather pay them 91 million over the longstanding patent dispute. The hits just keep on coming dont they? No offense, but Sony cant seem to do anything right lately. DRM rootkits anyone?

RE: Blu-ray must win
By outsider on 5/18/2006 3:54:56 PM , Rating: 2
In November, when PS3 is coming, it will have everything the 700+$ BluRay Players have plus it will:
-be the fastest gaming machine on the market
-feature the processing power of 10.000+ Athlon64s at 50GigaFLOPS
-be programmable and feature web surfing and everything else developers will create
-cost only 499$

Have people gotten so dumb that the Sony PR can publish stuff like that?

RE: Blu-ray must win
By SunAngel on 5/18/2006 4:05:24 PM , Rating: 1
You need to thread carefully on this website. Comments like your will get you branded as a trollee, like me, and your score will get modded down while the troller's will get modded up.

BTW, you will want to buy the $599 system instead of the $499 system. HDMI will make all the difference in the world.

RE: Blu-ray must win
By outsider on 5/18/2006 10:53:54 PM , Rating: 2
"Have people gotten so dumb" was not referred to anyone in particular. It was about the consumers, it was about me too. I don't find it the least bit offensive and would be greatly disillusioned if someone did. We are still anonymous people on a web forum, not diplomats.
As to the flaming above, I am 100% convinced now I should not have posted it. Not only was it harsh, also what the post stated was obvious on itself. Shame on me at least twice.

What is the members' scoring for?

Me buy a PS3? I'm a mobile freak. If they made a mobile version with the LCD than maybe. BTW, no, I don't waste my time with the PSP as they show in the advertisments.

RE: Blu-ray must win
By epsilonparadox on 5/18/2006 5:15:32 PM , Rating: 2
fastest gaming machine? maybe on paper.
10,000 Athlons? Intel and AMD better pack up and leave the industry, the Cell will replace all.
Web surfing? Probably be the first console to get infected by a virus too.
only $499? Forget HDMI and 1080p gaming, Wireless, 40 gigs of space and flash slots.

I'm so excited about the PS3, I'm giddy.

RE: Blu-ray must win
By outsider on 5/18/2006 10:59:26 PM , Rating: 2
What is even insulting is that they included the FLOPS of the GPU in that 50GFLOPS number they came up. This is like saying "I have walked 1 million miles in my life" while counting all the car and airplane travels.
I wonder how 1080p would look after 5yrs on that 7900GT.

Enough bashing the PS3. This thread isn't about it at all.

Lets bash BluRay :P

RE: Blu-ray must win
By bob661 on 5/19/2006 1:24:00 PM , Rating: 2
Lets bash BluRay :P
Yeah, stay on topic. :P

RE: Blu-ray must win
By Gatt on 5/19/2006 2:26:37 AM , Rating: 2
Um, just have to point out, film can easily be converted to 1080p, 2k, or even 4k resolution...

Plus the only movies filmed on digital camera's are Star Wars episode 2 and 3, and maybe one of Cameron's "Documentaries". I don't think any others have been filmed on Digital.

And IIRC the camera's used for SW 3 were 1080p capable, I think only the episode 2 ones weren't.

RE: Blu-ray must win
By abhaxus on 5/19/2006 4:47:20 AM , Rating: 2
I was about to do the math and say that your "4k" numbers were inaccurate... then I did the math and realized that you are right. 2,070,000,000 pixels * 16 = 32mpixels, which is approximately the resolution of film.

Would be interested to see the equipment used to create a 32 megapixel scan of those frames... or the massive room full of servers required to store one minute of video...

I personally can't wait to see 1080p HD-DVD with true 1080p output... there is a fair amount of debate that with good 3:2 and 2:3 processing on the HD-DVD player and TV that there is nothing lost for a 24p film source converted to 1080i, but I would still like to see it. We've got a 60" SXRD running Last Samurai and Apollo 13 in HD-DVD with their 480p versions on the TV next to it, and the difference is astounding. I work for a small electronics retailer and we've sold 50-60 of the HD-XA1s (the more expensive player) as a company (16 stores). Most of my customers are waiting for the cheaper version.

Can't wait for HD-DVD readers for the PC so I can justify the purchase of a 24" 1200p flatpanel and a drive :p

RE: Blu-ray must win
By Zoomer on 5/19/2006 7:31:26 AM , Rating: 2
Stamped media costs is not even a good fraction of the cost of recordable media!!!

RE: Blu-ray must win
By creathir on 5/18/2006 4:09:40 PM , Rating: 1
I am just looking at media costs and figuring the studios would want to make at least a dollar or two on the release...
(It was an overexaturated price... realistically, it will be around the $30 mark... just as the HD DVD... I was just pointing to a quite possible scenario... given current media costs)

- Creathir

"Paying an extra $500 for a computer in this environment -- same piece of hardware -- paying $500 more to get a logo on it? I think that's a more challenging proposition for the average person than it used to be." -- Steve Ballmer

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