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RE: Dash
By steven975 on 2/9/2012 4:28:59 PM , Rating: 3
I would agree, but with some revisions.

The Left is not liberal. The Left is progressive...a very different thing, as a true liberal (if you look up the meaning of liberalism, and the definition of it anywhere BUT the US) sees government intervention as a deprivation of the liberty and property of its citizens. Most progressives like to label themselves as liberal, though very few of them actually are. Socially liberal yes (though many that label themselves as such are not...such as our President), but economically they seem to be for ever-expanding control of the state in every single aspect of life.

Most conservatives (which I would put in the Republican camp) are not even really that economically conservative, either. They tend to favor a large, empire-building state...which costs money and a large government.

It's really 2 sides fighting over which sacred item to keep (defense or entitlements), when the economic reality is both are the drivers against any kind of sustainable country. Both have to go for there to be any real recovery.

The true liberals are those that want government intervention in economics and in social policy at an absolute minimum, aka Libertarians. Many Libertarians are not against government, just a smaller role of a central government, as envisioned in the Constitution. State-level government efforts, including universal healthcare, have widespread support, believe it or not. The thing is, most universal healthcare ideas are pretty much in line with the "lets have it and pretend its free" school of thought.


RE: Dash
By steven975 on 2/9/2012 4:32:32 PM , Rating: 2
and by "both have to go" I mean take a haircut, not disappear completely.


RE: Dash
By Reclaimer77 on 2/9/12, Rating: -1
RE: Dash
By Jeffk464 on 2/9/2012 5:54:26 PM , Rating: 4
Yes, thats what I would like to see
- libertarian when it comes to personal freedoms
- conservative when it comes to government spending
- strict regulations on business otherwise they abuse the crap out of the system as has been shown over and over again
- progressive on taxes
- not huge on welfare except when absolutely necessary

so am I liberal or conservative?

I really don't think either party represents 90% of americans.


RE: Dash
By Jeffk464 on 2/9/2012 5:57:41 PM , Rating: 2
I think half of what ron Paul says qualifies him to be institutionalized and half makes a lot of sense.


RE: Dash
By Ringold on 2/9/2012 8:16:15 PM , Rating: 1
I heard a pollster report that 1/3 to 1/2 of Ron Pauls voters could end up voting for Obama, since he obviously wont win the nomination. That's stunning. The two are on the opposite side of the planet in terms of policy views, on absolutely everything. What must be going on inside the heads of that 1/3 of his supporters absolutely baffles me. Support the evisceration of government one day, the endless expansion of it the next?


RE: Dash
By lagomorpha on 2/11/2012 1:17:20 PM , Rating: 1
They are probably just afraid of getting stuck with Santorum. Obama may be horrible, but he doesnt begin to approach the Franco/Mussolini level of Catholic Fascist insanity that Santorum does. His obsession with controlling the sex lives of everyone else should land him in a sanitarium.


RE: Dash
By Ringold on 2/9/2012 8:13:30 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds largely like the majority of the Democrat party. They want to be left alone in their bedroom, want to micromanage business, stick it to the rich, and on the surface don't think people should get something for nothing even if in practice thats how it ends up working out.

Heard an interesting bit of an interview with Home Depots founder the other day. He created almost 4000 millionaires among early employees due to going public on the stock market early and employee stock purchases. Just average working Joes. Said it's impossible to replicate now, Sarbanes-Oxley went so far in trying (and failing) to prevent another Enron that small firms find it nearly impossible to go public early on the way Home Depot did.


RE: Dash
By FITCamaro on 2/10/2012 9:57:07 PM , Rating: 1
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Sounds largely like the majority of the Democrat party.


Are you talking about Democrats the politicians or Democrats the people?

Because the politicians sure as hell don't view welfare as something as "only when necessary" and aren't conservative in spending.

And ultra strict regulations = less business and jobs. As you can see today. When the government is doing things like telling banks that it can only charge so much for a debit card transaction, regulations are too strict.


RE: Dash
By corduroygt on 2/10/2012 11:21:32 PM , Rating: 2
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They want to be left alone in their bedroom

Huh? What goes on in the bedroom is no one's business except the parties involved...you WANT government to come into your bedroom???


RE: Dash
By lagomorpha on 2/11/2012 4:11:24 PM , Rating: 2
Have you just crawled out from under a rock? Religious people have been trying to control the sex lives of others since the dawn of monotheism. Santorum wants to ban all nonreproductive sex, plenty of conservatives support antisodomy laws, the Catholic Church is constantly trying to keep impoverished villagers around the world ignorant of family planning or AIDS prevention, and even the unfortunately Morman writer of Ender's Game Orson Scott Card has written articles in which he has stated he believes anyone openly homosexual should be imprisoned for damaging family values. This doesnt even account for the various attempts to control sex around the world such as female circumcision.

There are people that think what you do in the bedroom is their business.


RE: Dash
By protosv on 2/10/2012 10:46:36 AM , Rating: 2
So.....Ron Paul 2012?


RE: Dash
By phazers on 2/11/2012 8:25:19 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm, I would say the "left" is pretty "liberal" with my tax dollars, whereas the conservatives tend to help conserve my tax dollars..


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