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Bob Lutz has had enough of the Volt flaming

Bob Lutz has never been one to back down from a fight. The former Marine has served at a number of car companies over the decades including General Motors, BMW, Ford, and Chrysler. Most recently, Lutz served at GM's Vice Chairman for Special Advisor Design and Global Product Development.
When it comes to hardcore "car guys" in the auto industry, there aren't many as rabid as Lutz. In recent years, Lutz is responsible for spearheading the development of enthusiast-oriented vehicles like the fifth-generation Chevrolet Camaro, Pontiac G8, fourth generation Pontiac GTO, Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky, and the upcoming Cadillac Converj (now called the ELR).
One of Lutz's most famous "babies", however, has been the Chevrolet Volt. He has been an ardent supporter of the plug-in hybrid, so it should come as no surprise that Lutz is coming to the Volt's defense after a barrage of negative press has rained down on it.

[Source: Patrick Arena/VW Vortex]
Lutz, writing in a column for Forbes, went straight after those that have been most critical of the Volt. He rattled off six “truths” about the vehicle including the fact that the Volt was conceived before GM's federal bailout and that no Volt has caught fire on public roads during an accident. Lutz also asserted that 278,000 gasoline-engined vehicles caught fire between 2003 and 2007, but no one seemed to launch an attack campaign against those vehicles.
But Lutz saved his harshest criticism for the "right-wing media" which has gone after the Volt with many a hollow-point bullet:
But the Oscar for totally irresponsible journalism has to go to The O’Reilly Factor on Fox News, with, as its key guest, Lou Dobbs. Amid much jocular yukking, the Volt was depicted as a typical federal failure. In attempting to explain why Chevy has sold fewer than 8,000 Volts, Dobbs states, flatly, “It doesn’t work.” He elaborates, “It doesn’t go fast and go far on electricity. What happens is it catches fire."
Lutz then went on to try to clear up any confusion about who enabled the $7,500 tax credit that has been another sore point for people upset over the very existence of the Volt:
To top it off, these two media pros lamented the fact that the same government that had forced GM to produce the Volt was now extending $7,500 tax credits towards its purchase, thus squandering even more of “our taxpayer” dollars on this failed Socialist-collectivist flop. Truth? The $7,500 tax credit was enacted under the Bush administration!
Lutz’s column comes just days after GM CEO Dan Akerson testified before Congress to defend the Volt's safety record. "The Volt is safe. It's a marvelous machine. It represents so much of what is right at GM and, frankly, American ingenuity and manufacturing," said Akerson in his testimony last week. "The Volt seems, perhaps unfairly, to have become a surrogate for some to offer broader commentary on General Motors' business prospects and administration policy."
Late last week, GM introduced a new commercial to put the Volt in a more positive light.

Source: Forbes

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RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By Hlafordlaes on 2/1/2012 4:28:10 AM , Rating: 2
Bigots, fools and cynics cherry-pick facts, inventing them when not found, to support their world views. Done by anyone, right or left, who prefers dogma over critical thinking.

That said, the massive tsunami of BS currently polluting the planet comes mainly from the right, and from religious fundies. Immature, feces-tossing, overweight and undereducated, they are the new red threat.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By retrospooty on 2/1/2012 10:18:06 AM , Rating: 1
I agree with this... Both sides are full of s$%t. But the "the right, religious fundies etc" are often really childish, ignorant, undereducated and narrow minded.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By retrospooty on 2/1/2012 10:23:32 AM , Rating: 1
I should have added, the right is more ignorant and childish, while the left is freegin retarded when it comes to throwing away money.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By Kurz on 2/1/2012 10:32:41 AM , Rating: 2
No its been show again and again the right knows how a Economy works while the left don't. The Left lives in Fantasy land when it comes to economics.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By Jeffk464 on 2/1/2012 11:01:53 AM , Rating: 3
I will say the fox news division is a little better at delivering the news. The pundits or spin artists have no intention of delivering the facts their goal is to tell you how to think. Why people listen to shows who's purpose is brain washing is beyond me.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By retrospooty on 2/1/2012 1:14:04 PM , Rating: 2
"No its been show again and again the right knows how a Economy works "

I dont know about that. When Obama took office in Jan 2009, the econnomy was in a freefall. At that time he reps had the oval office for 20 of the previous 28 years, and had control of congress for 14 of the previous 16 years.

Explain that one.

Not that I think the dems are any better, at best you can say the reps are less aweful, but "the right knows how a Economy works" no. Not in actual practice.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/2012 2:54:47 PM , Rating: 2
I dont know about that. When Obama took office in Jan 2009, the econnomy was in a freefall.

Because of a housing collapse precipitated by "Fair Housing" Democrat mandates? Yes, it was. Who do you think invented the "sub-prime" market?

You seriously need to educate yourself. Instead of blindly saying "ooohhh who was in power", look at how things actually get through Congress and the President's office.

"But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrote at the time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.'' "

And if you don't think Democrats are clueless about the economy, look at what Obama did after he took office!

What you don't want to admit is that the biggest problem Democrats have with our "free-market" economy is that they don't BELIEVE in one. To them our markets exist for them to take as much from as possible, and redistribute it into areas that they DO care about.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By retrospooty on 2/1/2012 3:40:58 PM , Rating: 2
Your right wing talking points fail again. Sorry, its just not how it all happened. The Dems took congress in Jan 2007. The reps had it the previous 14 years. These mortgages were out there LONG before anything the dems did, or voted on , or failed to vote on went in to effect. You act like they came in to office, voted on all this legislation, and sold millions of bad mortgages in a year before the housing collapse started. Dont be a fool. These loans were out there for years already.

Open your eyes, not everything wrong is the dems fault,, they simply haven't had the power. Clearly, "the buck stops here" isnt in the reps party mentality. Yes, we had the white house for 20 of the previous 28 years and congress for 14 of the previous 16, but ALL the problems are caused by the dems and their overwhelming minority of power.

You got nuttin... End of story.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/2012 4:10:41 PM , Rating: 2
You didn't even read the article. At all. Not a single line. It doesn't matter who has the technical "majority" in Congress when the entire Senate refuses to vote on something! I can't believe you're THAT ignorant.

I'm done wasting time with you. Liberals never admit when the other side has a point, and you're no different. I would ask you to look at the fundamental changes made to the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act by the Clinton administration, but you're too busy sitting there with your hands clamped over your ears going "la la la I can't hear you" like the child you are.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By retrospooty on 2/1/2012 4:33:45 PM , Rating: 2
I read the article, I disagree with its assertions and motive.

Glad your done wasting time. This means you have no comeback to the points I made... And since we know you cant admit any of our issues are the fault of the party that has been in control for the vast majority of modern times, there isnt anything else to say. Clearly we live on different planets.

Without taking any side at all, I simply say that the reps have been in charge of the white house, and congress most of the time and you cant even get past the part where you assume I must be some nutty liberal. Its a far and valid point, and you cant deny any of it and you know it. Get some perspective man and try to see past your own sheltered life.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/2012 4:46:16 PM , Rating: 2
I read the article, I disagree with its referenced facts and inconvenient truths.

That's your whole problem right there. Instead of talking crap, find me a source, any source, that can credibly say my source is wrong.

And again, this was a discussion about IDEOLOGY, but you keep bringing up parties.

Without taking any side at all, I simply say that the reps have been in charge of the white house, and congress most of the time

LOL yeah and why do you think that is? Because when people vote Democrat they get Jimmy Carter and Obama! Even Clinton, who wasn't that bad of a President, ended up being a complete embarrassment and was only the second Prez in our history to go through impeachment proceedings while in office.

Your next reply better be facts and sources. Because as far as I can tell, you made NO points. Just conjecture.

You said Republicans caused the housing collapse. Now prove it.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By retrospooty on 2/1/2012 5:25:19 PM , Rating: 2
You crack me up man... Where did I say "Republicans caused the housing collapse". You are so caught up in the blame game, you assume I am too. Again, all I am saying is that the reps have had all the control in the modern era, it cant all be the dems fault. In general the govt. has let us all down, in a major way. Not the reps, not the dems ALL of them, but you cant even see past your right wing blockades to a middle ground where it might possibly be that reps were in control and cant be totally free of guilt in this mess. Zero perspective, just blame blame blame. You really need to grow.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/2012 5:37:33 PM , Rating: 2
Look YOU brought up the housing collapse specifically. SOMEONE caused it. I showed you pretty damn concrete proof (and can show more) that it was Democrats who created the bubble that eventually burst. Then you just blow it off without even taking it seriously.

You gotta give me something. Throw me some kind of bone. If you can do that, then I can say "okay, it's not ALL their fault".

Sheesh, where did you learn to negotiate?

reps were in control and cant be totally free of guilt in this mess

Wtf did I say they were? Stop projecting!

Dude back when Bush railroaded Congress to rammed home the first $16b bailout I sat right on here and publicly denounced that move in vivid, passionate, detail. You act like I'm above doing this, that's just not fair.

In this thread, however, you've moved the goalposts. The original discussion was about Liberalism vs. Conservatism. You're turned it into Dems vs Rep's! It was a discussion about general principles, not specific policy.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By retrospooty on 2/1/2012 5:39:55 PM , Rating: 2
"In this thread, however, you've moved the goalposts"

that's becasue you are afraid to admit that Jimmy Carter is the greatest president ever!. ;)

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By Reclaimer77 on 2/2/2012 9:01:41 AM , Rating: 2
LOL Retro. Any guy with a sense of humor like that is alright with me.

Sorry things got a bit out of hand yesterday. Said some things I would like to take back. I guess we had a bit of a misunderstanding as well. I mean, you DID call us out by saying we used "grade school" reasoning or whatever. Sort of inflammatory. But still, I would buy you a beer and talk it out like men any day.

RE: Typical Fox Uninformation
By retrospooty on 2/2/2012 10:31:32 AM , Rating: 2
No worries man, its all good. I get as inflammatory as you, if not more so at times... The grade school thing was really more of a stab at Palin's childlike religious right supporters. You gotta admit she isn't a very bright bulb, as much as I gotta admit if you give a dem a dollar he will spend 4 and leave it for his children to figure out WTF happened.

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