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  (Source: Gigaom)
Computer maker says no to progress, drops another shovel of dirt on webOS's grave

In a further blow to those hoping for a webOS revival Jon Rubinstein, the iconic Palm CEO who supervised the creation of the webOS-powered Pre, has been released from his executive post at Hewlett-Packard Comp. (HPQ).  

I. A Failure of Vision

HP has been on a mess roller coaster ride over the last year shuffling CEOs and even contemplating spinning off the heart of its company -- the consumer PC business.  The change in leadership has also led HP to effectively abandon its hope of being a viable player in the mobile tablet/smart phone space.

The company blew $1.2B USD to acquire Palm Inc. in April 2010, in what seemed like a promising move for both companies at the time.  Palm still had a legion of firm supporters, and while it was no longer the iPhone competitor it was once was (and which Android became) it still had a shot.

That shot was killed by HP's floundering board and hapless new executive leadership.  The webOS product line was officially discontinued in Aug. 2011.  Meanwhile HP seemed to be combing through its ranks removing all the one-time supporters [1][2][3] of webOS.

Seppuku wide
"I didn't know there was such a thing as corporate suicide, but now we know that there is.  It's just astonishing." -- Ex-HP Board Chairman Tom Perkins on the company's struggles
[Image Source: Euro-Synergies]

After HP became the second major company in two years to fire Léo Apotheker from its CEO spot for poor performace, new CEO Meg Whitman reported shopped around webOS to prospective buyers.  But her asking price of $1.2B USD -- what HP had paid for it before it desecrated the remains of Palm -- was reportedly considered laughable by serious buyer prospects like Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd.'s (KS:005930).

Unsurprisingly no buyer was found.

II. Jon Rubinstein Departs to More Fertile Shores

Today HP has open sourced webOS, essentially giving away for free the product that months before it had hope to get a billion dollars for.

HP was quiet about the departure of Mr. Rubinstein.  They would only say, when reached for comment by The Verge, "Jon has fulfilled his commitment and we wish him well."

Jon Rubinstein
Jon Rubinstein, father of the iPod and Palm Pre [Image Source: CellPassion]

Ultimately this is likely a smart career move for Mr. Rubinstein, who originally gained fame as the creator of the iPod at Apple, Inc. (AAPL).  Mr. Rubinstein has put out solid products at companies who have ambition, companies who have the willingness to take risks in the mobile space -- attributes that are sorely lacking at HP.

Sadly for webOS fans, this is one more sign that the beloved platform is taking its final ride into the glow of the twilight.  As HP reassigns the remainder of the webOS skeleton crew who weren't laid off yet, Mr. Rubinstein's departure serves as perhaps the final reminder that once there was a company named Palm, a company with two decades of bold mobile vision, a company whose final spark of life was extinguished by HP.

(AllThingsDigitals reports that Mr. Rubinstein has been absent from the office for months, in silent protest of Mr. Apotheker's decision to kill webOS, and that HP only now got around to clarifying his status.)

Sources: The Verge, AllThingsD



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RE: sigh...
By Pirks on 1/27/2012 5:19:42 PM , Rating: 0
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WebOS has the awesome multitasking UI
It lives on in Playbook, without all the sluggisness of the molasses slow Touchpad. Maybe give it a try before trolling RIM eh? ;)


RE: sigh...
By retrospooty on 1/27/2012 7:23:33 PM , Rating: 2
Not that this is about your loser RIM products, but like I said, WebOS really shines on a phone, like the Pre had 3 years ago. By the time RIM gets it out on a phone, RIM wont be RIM, it will be owned by another larger less inept company.

As it is now, I have a Droid 3 with an Alpha build of Cyanogenmod9 (Android 4). It has a similar multitasking UI. Not quite as good as WebOS, but decent enough. RIM has zero to offer over Android and IOS now, much less in a year when QNX comes out on a phone.


RE: sigh...
By Pirks on 1/28/2012 10:22:21 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah yeah cry me a river, you got a lousy replica of what I had a year ago on my Playbook on your lousy hacky phone, big deal eh. In a year when they release Playbook OS 3.0 or 2.5 or something we'll see how your lousy late clone will stack up to it, har har har! :D


RE: sigh...
By retrospooty on 1/28/2012 11:09:56 PM , Rating: 2
You are clueless. Android 4 is freegin awesome. You have it on playbook a year ago? LOL RIM still doesn't have it ready on a phone and won't for 1 more year and you are acting like its a good thing. Your delusional.

Hey, enjoy the tombstone pic above, it will soon be true for RIM.


RE: sigh...
By Pirks on 1/28/2012 11:46:35 PM , Rating: 1
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Android 4 is freegin awesome
So what? I've had much better OS on my Playbook a year ago. Good luck with catching up to RIM's progress on tablet front with that lousy Linux clone hehe :)))


RE: sigh...
By retrospooty on 1/29/2012 12:01:54 AM , Rating: 2
So your bragging that RIM had 1 year ago on a tablet what Palm had 3 years ago on a phone? That on the same product they just lost over 450 million dollars on? The same os they still don't have on a phone and won't for another year?

Wow, your definition of success really is in line with balsilie and lazardis.

You really are retarded. Please tell me you don't have children


RE: sigh...
By Pirks on 1/29/2012 12:19:33 AM , Rating: 1
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your definition of success
How do YOU define success then? Is it mediocre product with high sales or is it better product with low sales?


RE: sigh...
By retrospooty on 1/29/2012 7:50:46 AM , Rating: 2
"How do YOU define success then? Is it mediocre product with high sales or is it better product with low sales? "

That is the issue with you, you don't even understand the question, and then you don't see all the options even to your skewed version of the question.

Success would be making a great product that people love and buy it high quantities. That doesn't mean great product that no-one buys, nor does it mean a high selling product that inst great. Check Apple, and Samsung for reference products to see what that means.

On the negative end, unsuccessful would be making products, that are crappy (or in RIM's case, outdated=crappy) and people don't want. Most that have it, get it because their IT dept's gave it to them for free, and even that IT ship is sinking. Unsuccessful would be making products that are now sitting unsold on shelves because they aren't wanted, like RIM phones are today. Unsuccessful would be making a product that was meant to sell at $499 and then taking a $470 million dollar loss when you are forced to dump the price to $199 to sell them at all - like Playbook. Unsuccessful would be living in denial about all those things and not doing anything to change it. Unsuccessful would be living in denial about Android and iPhone's market impact and saying "Our customers dont want that type of phone, they want phones like our current products" and not doing anything at all to modernize their OS for 3 years after the iPhone was announced. Then they finally figured it out, figured that their own OS cant cut it, and they went with QNX. A good decision, but they are too late. As it is now there are no phones running it and wont be for a year.


RE: sigh...
By Pirks on 1/29/2012 3:18:01 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yeah, now Playbook is outdated, with its web browser no one catch up to even today. Troll me some more!

I agree that they were late dumping old BB OS but whether it was too late to survibe is yet to be seen.


RE: sigh...
By retrospooty on 1/29/2012 9:32:26 PM , Rating: 2
"Oh yeah, now Playbook is outdated, with its web browser no one catch up to even today. Troll me some more!"

I meant the phones are outdated... The palybook isnt outdated, its just a total non-factor.

"I agree that they were late dumping old BB OS but whether it was too late to survibe is yet to be seen. "

Hallafreeginlooya!!! progress.


RE: sigh...
By Pirks on 1/29/2012 11:18:42 PM , Rating: 2
Good thing you finally noticed progress although I was saying this like a year ago. You are a really slowly understanding guy :)

Apple caught RIM pants off and RIM is paying the price now for not reacting fast enough. Judging by my experience RIM made a strong comeback with Playbook (not sales wise, but product quality wise), the main point though is that it's not yet over for RIM, they may come back. I think it will get better for them once they start releasing QNX phones, 'cause they are learning from their experience with Playbook, using it as a testbed for their main product - handsets. I'd say this was a bold move for them to release a tablet as a testbed and it may pay off really well in the future.


RE: sigh...
By retrospooty on 1/30/2012 7:11:35 AM , Rating: 2
"Good thing you finally noticed progress although I was saying this like a year ago"

Progress was you admitting dumping the old BB OS was good. Not a year ago, 4-5 months ago you were saying BBOS 7 rocked and sales would go back up.

"I think it will get better for them once they start releasing QNX phones"

It would be nice. Like I always say, more competition = more innovation and lower prices for all consumers. But the market is saturated with IOS and ANdroid phones. It's hard to come out with an equal product and gain any traction. In order to win it back, RIM will need QNX to be better than IOS and Android, or at least offer compelling features they dont have... And its not releasing now, its been delayed and releasing in Q4 2012, IF they hit the newly moved back deadline.


RE: sigh...
By Pirks on 1/30/2012 2:46:03 PM , Rating: 2
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4-5 months ago you were saying BBOS 7 rocked and sales would go back up
And from this you made YOUR OWN conclusion that BB OS 7 is all RIM needs to survive. Then you made it look like it was MY conclusion, not YOURS. But I can see through your lies man. Are you that naive? Really? ;))
quote:
But the market is saturated with IOS and ANdroid phones
GROWING market. This little tiny detail about market being GROWING - you "lost" this detail, leaving no space for Nokia/MS tandem as well. You basically buried WP7 right now, did you realize that? I disagree with you, it can't be THAT bad. Both MS and RIM still have time to carve a decent niche for themselves.


RE: sigh...
By retrospooty on 1/30/2012 4:18:15 PM , Rating: 2
Whatever man. You keep calling me a troll, as if I have it out for RIM. I dont. I want more options, I want WebOS and RIM, and Win7 all to gain market share. I keep saying this, more options = more innovation, and lower prices for all. I call it like I see it, and I (and pretty much everyone else) sees a whole lot of bad, and not alot of good from RIM. I WANT RIM to succeed.

My distaste for RIM is out of disappointment at them managing their way into a deep hole. Not becasue I dislike them. Its just like watching a train wreck. A train that hurts us all, just a bit, if it fails.


RE: sigh...
By retrospooty on 1/30/2012 4:20:37 PM , Rating: 2
meant to add... "Both MS and RIM still have time to carve a decent niche for themselves. "

Yes, they do, but its not likely to happen, especially for RIM. You know, when your football team loses 12 games in a row, you kind of dont expect them to have a near-perfect game on the 13th week? Well, RIM lately is all fail.


RE: sigh...
By Pirks on 1/30/2012 6:51:46 PM , Rating: 2
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when your football team loses 12 games in a row, you kind of dont expect them to have a near-perfect game on the 13th week?
But what if that team was a world champion before starting to lose its game?
quote:
Its just like watching a train wreck
Nah, you just have a negative trolley whiney attitude, that's all.

While ship hit a rock and started to sink you just run around yelling "THIS SHIP IS GONE, ABANDON IT RIGHT NOW!!!" and you blissfully ignore the ship's crew and its fixes that slow down sinking over time. I keep pointing out the efforts of the ship crew to stop the leak and return the ship to normal, while you just cry and spell the doom, as if the ship NOT JUST HIT THE ROCK, but as if THE SHIP HAS SUNK A LONG TIME AGO AND IS ALREADY RUSTING ON THE OCEAN'S FLOOR. You know there is a big difference between hitting a rock and actually touching the ocean's floor.

You just PRETEND that these are the same. "The ship hit the rock IS EQUAL TO the ship is down on the floor with dead crew being eaten by crabs" <- this is your mantra. That's why you appear so whiney and trolley to me.

This guy also summarized your whining pretty nice: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=23875...


RE: sigh...
By retrospooty on 1/30/2012 9:03:17 PM , Rating: 2
Nice trade off of analogies. LOL

Only in mine, I am not saying the ship is sinking, I am saying the ship's value is declining and salvage dealers are starting to make offers. Management may have to sell soon.

In yours, your ships crew is not getting anything right. Captain Schettino, get back on the boat! No, that boat is sinking. Captain Schettino, I know the boat is sinking, now get back on that boat. No, I dont wanna get back on the boat. CAptain, its your job to stay on the boat until everyone is safe. No. Look at it, its on its side and sinking!!!

We'll see.


RE: sigh...
By Pirks on 1/30/2012 3:47:19 PM , Rating: 2
Hey found a nice reply to your trolling, check it out
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=23875...


RE: sigh...
By piroroadkill on 1/30/2012 5:40:33 AM , Rating: 2
Wait, a Droid 3 running Cyanogen counts as "lousy, hacky". Damn. Sounds like a great combination to me...


RE: sigh...
By Cerin218 on 1/29/2012 7:11:07 AM , Rating: 2
RIM is a chicken running around with it's head cut off. Dead, but doesn't know it yet. I hear VERY little positive about RIM. Most of us laugh when the Crackberry addicts get their contact and calendars corrupted. Not that I don't think it's cool that in order to push mail I have to have third party software running on a pc all the time to hand mail from Outlook to my phone. Security by limited functionality. BES is a joke too.


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