AMD's Spring Forum just finished up and industry insiders
got a chance to sit down with DailyTech and discuss the major
cornerstone of the forum, K8L. K8L is AMD's next generation processor
technology, which Henri
Richard first revealed to Chris Hall at Digitimes back in March.
Richard himself described K8L as evolutionary, rather than revolutionary, and
it appears as though that comment was spot on the mark from the details of K8L
Chuck Moore, a senior AMD Fellow, gave a presentation at AMD's Spring Forum
revealing some of K8L's features. Aside from being a quad-core-friendly
architecture, there are three key features that will separate K8L from K8:
cache, memory and HyperTransport.
Moore revealed that K8L will be the first AMD processor to have L3 cache since the K6
CPU. Each core has an independent L2 cache, but the entire processor
shares an L3 cache pool. There's no word yet on exactly how much cache the K8L
can hold, though the K8L will be a 65nm SOI process so AMD engineers have a bit
more die real estate to play around with.
K8L will support DDR2 and DDR3 when it becomes available, although it’s still
anyone's guess as to whether or not the market will actually adopt DDR3 quickly
enough to warrant using DDR3 aggressively at the core launch. Tom Trill,
Samsung's Director of DRAM Marketing, was extremely hesitant to claim DDR3
would make it to the desktop without "significant" performance gains
over DDR2 -- lest anyone repeat many of the mistakes made when the industry
migrated from DDR1 to DDR2.
HyperTransport 3 will be a key element of K8L. HyperTransport 3, which was just ratified a
few weeks ago, increases the frequency of the current HyperTransport bus
from 1.4GHz to 2.6GHz, or from 2.8GT/s to 5.2GT/s. Current AMD Opteron
processors only support HT links operating at 1GHz, though the HT 2.0
specification allows these links to run as fast as 1.4GHz. Non-K8 quad
core processors will almost certainly take advantage of this additional
headroom as data across these links gets more crowded. However, K8L
processors will have the advantage of using the full 5.2GT/s per link defined
in HyperTransport 3.
K8L processors are expected to be very co-processor friendly, allowing for
additional HT and HTX interconnects specifically for math or cryptography
acceleration. Current Opteron 2xx and 8xx processors use three HyperTransport
links per die, but AMD's documentation did not reveal how many HyperTransport links
K8L would utilize. Recently, AMD's Phil Hester claimed embedded
on-chip coprocessors were part of the company's long term plan just a few
months ago. While we may not see embedded co-processors with the K8L, it
does look like the architecture is gearing towards supporting co-processors in
a big way.
Behind closed doors, insiders revealed to DailyTech a few tidbits of the long
term quad core roadmap. AMD will introduce no less than four quad-core
families over the next two years, with the first being Deerhound. Deerhound,
we are told, will be a Socket F server processor expected to ship late next
year on the K8 -- not K8L -- architecture. Deerhound did not
appear to support FB-DIMM.
In early 2008, AMD's corporate roadmap claims a quad core desktop CPU will make
an appearance, dubbed Greyhound. Greyhound is slated to
become the first quad-core AMD chip to use the HyperTransport 3 bus,
and the memory controller is slated to support DDR2 and DDR3. Unlike Deerhound,
Greyhound will use the K8L architecture, and all the goodies that come
with it, including the 5.2GT/s HyperTransport support. Unless AMD's plans
change drastically between now and 2008, the processors will require a new
There are very few details of the other two processor families, but
hopefully future forums will get a chance to touch on some of those
developments as they firm up. However, we do know that server processor
cores are expected to migrate to K8L after Deerhound.
K8L has a few other highlights, including dynamic powering of sections of the
processor -- a page taken straight out of Intel's Yonah playbook.
The p-states, as far as we can tell, will be separate for each core and the
memory controller. The K8L core will also have a 32-byte prefetch (versus
16 right now), 48-bit addressing with 1GB pages and the ability to process
128-bit SSE instructions in a single cycle, another very Intel-esque feature.
Expect to see more tidbits over the next few days as roadmaps and transcripts
are still being released.
quote: No, I dont think it looks bad for AMD. Intel thinks that core 2 will make up for 20% of their sales by the end of the year. Thats not too impressive.
quote: Judging this book by how soon quad cores for desktop appear is bad at best.
quote: If, as you say, they don't want "the newest thing on the market", which I suspect is probably true, it serves to hinder early adoption of new platforms and products from both AMD and Intel.. not just Intel.
quote: One thing you guys are missing I think is that AMD is going to try and do some serious Ghz scaling on AM2. I've seen some rampant speculation about K8 on 65nm being able to hit 4Ghz.
quote: Intel's got a deeper pipe on Conroe, and they have the edge on fabs.
quote: What does this have to do with a possible AMD MHz push?
quote: Since we're speculating about future products that no one has tested and no one can buy, Conroe ain't designed to do the MHz thing.
quote: Also, didn't a certain company that wasn't nearly as successful as they are now beat Intel to 1GHz? Doesn't anyone remember that MHz war?
quote: This seems to be a consolitory move rather than a leap forward. The name K8L says it all.
quote: Richard himself described K8L as evolutionary, rather than revolutionary, and it appears as though that comment was spot on the mark from the details of K8L we've seen
quote: The K8L core will also have a 32-bit prefetch (versus 16 right now),