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Apple continues to add to its war chest, sells record numbers of iPhones

It's beginning to become a broken record when reporting on Apple's quarterly earnings, but the boys from Cupertino have done it again. Apple today announced its earnings for fiscal Q1 2012 and the results are as usual very impressive.
 
The company reported net profit of $13.06 billion on revenue of $46.33 billion ($13.87 per diluted share). Profit for fiscal Q1 2012 was more than double that of fiscal Q1 2011, while gross margins came in at 44.7 percent compared to 38.5 percent a year ago.
 
“We’re thrilled with our outstanding results and record-breaking sales of iPhones, iPads and Macs,” said Apple CEO Tim Cook. “Apple’s momentum is incredibly strong, and we have some amazing new products in the pipeline.”

 
As for product sales numbers, Apple sold 37.04 million iPhones during the quarter (a 128 percent increase) and 15.43 million iPads (a 111 percent increase). The company's Mac sales also saw an increase, but "only" saw a 24 percent increase year-over-year to 5.2 million units.
 
Apple iPods, however, continue their downward spiral in this age of digital convergence. Sales of the portable music players were down 21 percent to 15.4 million units.


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Apple are doomed :)
By Tony Swash on 1/24/2012 6:28:55 PM , Rating: -1
To put Apple's results in perspective consider:

Apple's profit for the least quarter was bigger than Googles entire revenue for the same quarter.

Apple's revenues and profits for the last quarter was twice as much as Microsofts revenues and profits for the same quarter.

Apple's iPad revenues were twice as big as Microsoft's Windows revenues

Apple sold 60 million iOS devices.

iOS sales are now running at about 70% of global Windows PCs sales




RE: Apple are doomed :)
By simsony on 1/24/2012 6:45:17 PM , Rating: 5
Another perspective:

Apple's products are significantly overpriced vs Google's.

Apple's products are significantly overpriced vs Microsoft's.

Apple's iPads are significantly overpriced vs Windows PCs.

All iOS devices cannot do what a computer can.

They are mostly spending on marketing, fascia design and litigation and not very much on real R&D or device specs. (Antennagate? iPad1 RAM? iOS5 on iPad1 is intolerable.)

Disclaimer: I own Apple and non-Apple products. But I only credit where it is due. They are making a lot of money, but not in a way that deserves respect.

Now they're just milking the gullible through mobile contracts. And Tony you are very gullible. Not that you would know it.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By tayb on 1/24/12, Rating: 0
RE: Apple are doomed :)
By StevoLincolnite on 1/24/12, Rating: 0
RE: Apple are doomed :)
By melgross on 1/24/12, Rating: -1
RE: Apple are doomed :)
By sprockkets on 1/24/2012 8:14:03 PM , Rating: 2
This isn't appleinsider melgross - don't expect the crowd to not be PC/Android enthusiasts here.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By tayb on 1/24/2012 10:55:18 PM , Rating: 1
It certainly isn't Apple Insider. It is a place where comparing Apple's profits and revenue to other companies is voted down simply for not being anti-Apple. And idiotic fanboy comments are voted up simply for being idiotic fanboy comments. It is ironic because neither anandtech nor dailtech pick sides in these supposed battles. Google, Microsoft, and Apple are all tech companies. These sites report the tech news. And the fanboys storm the comments section for a circle jerk.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By sprockkets on 1/24/2012 11:44:08 PM , Rating: 2
In case you didn't know, melgross is a forum moderator at appleinsider.com

Does that post make more sense now?

Look, apple is doing great, and they have a great ecosystem. And if there is any other company that comes to mind that acts just like them, it is Disney, specifically their theme parks. I bring them up because a tech writer sumed up how I feel about apple nicely: "I like Disney World, but I wouldn't want to live there." :-)


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By tayb on 1/25/2012 1:34:03 PM , Rating: 2
No, it doesn't. It doesn't explain why the original post was voted down to a -1 and the subsequent post, which presented nothing but erroneous circle jerk material for Android fanboys, was voted up to a 5.

This is what has become of the Anandtech user base.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By ClownPuncher on 1/25/2012 2:03:56 PM , Rating: 2
Because Tony Swash posted it. Check his posting history and you will see the light.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Tony Swash on 1/25/2012 6:44:31 PM , Rating: 2
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Because Tony Swash posted it. Check his posting history and you will see the light.


I am posting this just for you - have a nice day :)

• Apple reclaimed the title of the world’s most valuable company $415B vs Exxon Mobil’s $413B

• The $97.6 billion in cash that $AAPL has is higher than the market value of $448 of the companies in the S&P 500. (Capital IQ)

• This was the 2nd highest profit quarter of any company ever. ExxonMobil’s Q3 08 profit of $14.8 billion needed $147 barrel oil and $140 billion in revenue. (WSJ)

• Sales rose 73% to $46.3 billion — so much for the law of big numbers working against them (Golson)

• In 2009, Apple sold more iPhones than it did in 2007 and 2008 combined. In 2010, Apple sold more iPhones than it did in 2007, 2008, and 2009 combined. Last year, Apple sold 93.1 million iPhones, slightly more than it did in in 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010 combined (Matt Richman)

• Apple’s profit of $13.1 billion was equal to their revenue in Q4 2010

• If Apple was a country, its market cap would make it 29th biggest nation, its annual revenue would make it the 52nd, its cash position 66th, and its earnings 79th, in terms of GDP (Global Macro Monitor)

• Apple’s profits ($13 billion) exceeded Google’s entire revenue ($10.6 billion) (Manjoo)

• Google would activate 59,653,187 Android-based devices during Apple’s fourth calendar quarter. Apple has said that iPod touch sales make up more than half of all iPod sales. That means Apple sold at least 7.7 million iPod touches. And that number, plus 37.04 million iPhones and 15.43 million iPads, means iOS outsold Android last quarter. (Matt Richman)

• Apple sold three times as many iPads as Amazon sold Kindle Fires (Tech Crunch)


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By trajan24 on 2/17/2012 9:21:59 PM , Rating: 2
Apple makes far more PROFITS than ANY smartphone maker. They are above 50% of the profits for the whole INDUSTRY.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By sprockkets on 1/25/2012 2:05:40 PM , Rating: 3
If you don't want to be butt hurt over your -1 ratings, apple insider is just a click away. There, you will find all the apple fanatics/cultists/sj worshipers and those who fap all day to Daniel Dildo's articles.

In other words, this site's readers don't tolerate apple asholes gloating over their success, anymore that apple sites don't like the fact that apple lost their lawsuits against the world.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By tayb on 1/25/12, Rating: 0
RE: Apple are doomed :)
By TakinYourPoints on 1/24/2012 11:37:34 PM , Rating: 2
PC enthusiast I totally understand and am 100% behind, but Android enthusiast baffles me.

You pay as much for a high end iPhone with Android but get slower hardware, weak developer support and app selection, and in most cases you're stuck in a two year contract with a phone that will either get updated OS versions six months late, or not at all (hi Samsung). Carriers love Android because it forces hardware turnover to get new hardware, disgusting. With tablets it's even worse, the best hardware with the Tegra 3 is slower than the nearly year-old A5 in the iPad 2, and developer support for tablets is almost non-existent there.

I like getting good hardware with lots of great applications so I can actually use it. I get that with Windows and OS X, and with mobile devices I get it with iOS. Dismissing a platform simply because Apple makes it while ignoring the overwhelming positives that it has is very strange to me.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By sprockkets on 1/25/2012 12:09:54 AM , Rating: 3
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You pay as much for a high end iPhone with Android but get slower hardware


Or I also get a bigger screen to see stuff with, and most phones had better hardware before the iphone4s took it's time to come out but continue

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weak developer support and app selection,


I've found every app I've needed. Graphing calc, yes. Video app? Yes. Major bank apps, yes. Book apps from the usual people, yes. Hell, what is it about 550k vs what 400k apps or whatever on android that makes you think iOS is so much better?

Btw, why don't you check the app store for a bittorrent app. Oh, you can't find one? Why?

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and in most cases you're stuck in a two year contract with a phone that will either get updated OS versions six months late, or not at all (hi Samsung).


True, but that's what happens when stuff like ICS gets released to others back in Nov and not with apple that has both hardware and software ready to go.

Guess what? The vast majority of people who have android phones don't even know what ICS is or know what they are missing.

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Carriers love Android because it forces hardware turnover to get new hardware, disgusting.


That means what? Are you butt hurt cause you had to wait 15 months for a new model while apple sat down and fixed what was wrong with the iphone4's antenna and figured out how to paint it white?

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With tablets it's even worse, the best hardware with the Tegra 3 is slower than the nearly year-old A5 in the iPad 2, and developer support for tablets is almost non-existent there.


There you go again claiming "slower" as in some bull sht benchmark that no one cares about. Which, in any case, the T3 wins under browser benchmarks but losses in the FPS, so Fing what? 80FPS vs 120, guess what, that's not noticeable.

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developer support for tablets is almost non-existent there.


It isn't 2010 anymore.

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I like getting good hardware with lots of great applications so I can actually use it. I get that with Windows and OS X, and with mobile devices I get it with iOS. Dismissing a platform simply because Apple makes it while ignoring the overwhelming positives that it has is very strange to me.


You've pretty much repeated the same BS talking points every time you post. Oh wait, it's in your name.

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PC enthusiast I totally understand and am 100% behind


You're not.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By TakinYourPoints on 1/25/2012 12:43:51 AM , Rating: 2
The majority of your post is denial, particularly when it comes to app selection. Android development has stalled over the last year and has completely flatlined on tablets while it continues to accelerate on iOS. Here are some hard statistics: http://blog.flurry.com/bid/79061/App-Developers-Be...

Another interesting statistic: Crossplatform mobile developers make $0.24 on Android for every dollar they make on iOS. This is before we get into issues of OS, marketplace, and hardware fragmentation.

Neither are problems with iOS or WP7, and it's why the person I know who hates Android the most works for a major mobile developer. The Android platform is a headache given the return.

Microsoft, the largest software company in the world, has nearly two dozen full featured applications for iOS. In just the last month they released Skydrive and an official XBox Live application for iOS. Microsoft Office for iPad will be out this year. The best you can get from them for Android are simple front ends for Bing and MSN.

As for your defense of Tegra 3, neck-in-neck with or slower than a tablet that is almost a year old is not impressive. The iPad 3 is only months away. Android hardware needs a multi-generational leap in performance if it wants to catch up.

Then there of course is the issue of having applications that actually take advantage of this faster hardware, but we already addressed that above. One more hurdle.

The platform just doesn't present a good value, not unless they're $200 like the Kindle Fire. I also understand wanting a larger screen or keyboard in a phone, but for me personally it isn't worth the tradeoff in performance, developer support, and manufacturer support with updates.

Me:
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PC enthusiast I totally understand and am 100% behind


You:
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You're not.


Haha, you think that just because I believe Android is a second rate platform? Ok, cool bro.

Off to play more of the DOTA 2 beta with some friends. Bye.

- Posted from my self-assembled Windows 7 i7 desktop with 256GB SSD and SLI video.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Just Tom on 1/25/2012 5:49:30 AM , Rating: 2
Apps using Flurry are not the only apps for either platform. All your link shows is a the mix of iOS vs. Android apps using Flurry. It might be indicative of something but without further evidence really proves nothing.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By sprockkets on 1/25/2012 8:36:05 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
The majority of your post is denial, particularly when it comes to app selection. Android development has stalled over the last year and has completely flatlined on tablets while it continues to accelerate on iOS. Here are some hard statistics: http://blog.flurry.com/bid/79061/App-Developers-Be...


And that means what when it comes to finding what I need in their 350k+ selection? Absolutely nothing.

There's a world outside flurry you know.

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Another interesting statistic: Crossplatform mobile developers make $0.24 on Android for every dollar they make on iOS. This is before we get into issues of OS, marketplace, and hardware fragmentation.

Neither are problems with iOS or WP7, and it's why the person I know who hates Android the most works for a major mobile developer. The Android platform is a headache given the return.


Which still has nothing to do with me. But if you must know, Google has addressed this by making it easier to spend money on the market by adding a cc.

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Microsoft, the largest software company in the world, has nearly two dozen full featured applications for iOS. In just the last month they released Skydrive and an official XBox Live application for iOS. Microsoft Office for iPad will be out this year. The best you can get from them for Android are simple front ends for Bing and MSN.


And since I don't own an xbox I could care less, not withstanding the Xbox and their ecosystem is getting worse all the time, like killing 1080p support for user files.

Oh, I can't get the cable tv app for android. Now I'm all sad.

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Then there of course is the issue of having applications that actually take advantage of this faster hardware, but we already addressed that above. One more hurdle.

The platform just doesn't present a good value, not unless they're $200 like the Kindle Fire. I also understand wanting a larger screen or keyboard in a phone, but for me personally it isn't worth the tradeoff in performance, developer support, and manufacturer support with updates.


Yes, you can have an opinion, no issue there.

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Haha, you think that just because I believe Android is a second rate platform? Ok, cool bro.

Off to play more of the DOTA 2 beta with some friends. Bye.

- Posted from my self-assembled Windows 7 i7 desktop with 256GB SSD and SLI video.


Well if you enjoy doing that as I do I enjoy it also on my phone.

There's a set of developers Android has that iOS and WP7 never will, ones that actually work on the OS itself. Can't do that without source code.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By nafhan on 1/25/2012 2:47:53 PM , Rating: 2
It's not that different. I think of PC enthusiasts as those who like to have control over their platforms. Android's really the only mobile platform (other than jailbroken iOS) where that's a possibility. Maybe "PC enthusiast" = gamer, to you? In addition to the control I over my device, I like being able to pick from a number of providers for various services, and being able to natively run Linux commands directly on my phone or via ssh - among other things.

Sort of unrelated to the above, but the Tegra 3 is generally a little faster than the A5. It falls behind in areas heavily dependent upon 3D graphics hardware (i.e. games), and that's about it. I DO think having four cores was a poor decision on Nvidia's part that may have been driven by marketing. I would have liked to see: fast dual (specifically fast, dual A15's with a slow companion core), a faster GPU, and dual memory channels. I think that probably would have done a much better job handling most tablet/smartphone workloads than a quad A9 does.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By TakinYourPoints on 1/26/2012 2:25:12 AM , Rating: 2
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Maybe "PC enthusiast" = gamer, to you?


I thought about this and you're right. I've always tinkered with my PCs, but it was a means to an end, not the main point. Back when I was editing config and batch files on my 486 in order to better optimize running Wing Commander 2, it wasn't because I loved editing those files, it was because I wanted to play the game. When I build my PCs it isn't because I love assembling them (although the Corsair 800D did make its initial build enjoyable since it was so well designed), it's because it is an affordable way to play the games I like on a big 2560x1440 display.

The end action is what I value the most, the hardware is secondary except that I want it to output smoothly, and I like good physical input and physical design (IPS displays, mechanical keyboards, plasma HDTV in my living room, etc etc).

My PC gaming is mostly done from two walled-garden services, Steam and Battlenet. I accept the lack of control due to the good service that I get (automatic patching, integrated friends and matchmaking, etc). The same goes to a lesser degree with the XBox 360. I'm not much of a console gamer but I love having certain XBLA games like Super Puzzle Fighter II. It definitely applies to the Amazon Kindle. They have the most restrictive DRM of any service I've used, including any of Apple's, but again I accept it because their e-book readers are excellent and they provide great service with their cloud syncing (executed perfectly even back in 2007).

This is why I have no philosophical issues with the iDevices, if I did it would be quite hypocritical given how I accept it on other platforms. All I care about is fast hardware and the best apps, both of which iOS currently has. "Open" and "choice" doesn't matter to me if the end result is limited speed or practical utility, that's all. If a "closed" system gives me the best end results and practical experience, I'll go for that instead.

As for the Tegra 3, all of the benchmarks I've seen on Anandtech peg it around the A5 in web benchmarks and far behind in graphics. The reason this matters even if it is close in the end is because it is competing with a part that is almost a year old. There will be much catch-up to be done in a few months when the A6 drops.

And btw, you can SSH with an iPhone or iPad as well. :)


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By nafhan on 1/26/2012 8:45:07 AM , Rating: 2
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you can SSH with an iPhone or iPad as well
Interesting... can you get INTO the iPhone via SSH without rooting (i.e. is there an SSH daemon that you can run on a non-rooted iPhone)? I was under the impression that required rooting.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By wordsworm on 1/24/2012 8:16:10 PM , Rating: 1
You can also build your own Macintosh from scratch. Or even your own car from scratch. It doesn't mean that everyone wants the hassel.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/24/2012 8:50:57 PM , Rating: 2
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You can also build your own Macintosh from scratch
Um.....lol


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By wordsworm on 1/24/2012 10:52:22 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.hackintosh.com/

I'm surprised people seem to be unaware...


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Pirks on 1/24/2012 11:19:36 PM , Rating: 1
And I'm surprised mentally challenged cheesy can even read this :)


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By wordsworm on 1/25/2012 7:55:01 AM , Rating: 2
Considering all the megalomaniaism and xenophobiaism that goes on at DailyTech, I'd think that they'd be celebrating the triumph of American technology and design over the Korean, et al. I'd think that they'd be angry when other companies basically rip off Apple/American products. Jobs spent years perfecting the first iPhone. Samsung just looked at the iPhone and figured out how to capture its success. If it had been a Chinese company, I'm sure they'd be singing a different tune.

I really don't understand the hate against Apple. I don't own any Apple products, simply because I do find their products unappealing: I don't need a smart phone. I don't need to be online 24/7. I don't need an mp3 player: I like hearing things around me when I'm walking, running, hiking, biking (much safer, too). My Kindle is a better eReader than anything Apple has. But, I have a lot of respect for the company, and particularly Steve Jobs. And who knows, maybe one day I'll change my mind.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By TakinYourPoints on 1/26/2012 2:09:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Considering all the megalomaniaism and xenophobiaism that goes on at DailyTech, I'd think that they'd be celebrating the triumph of American technology and design over the Korean, et al. I'd think that they'd be angry when other companies basically rip off Apple/American products. Jobs spent years perfecting the first iPhone. Samsung just looked at the iPhone and figured out how to capture its success. If it had been a Chinese company, I'm sure they'd be singing a different tune.


I never do this, but QFT


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/25/2012 9:12:47 AM , Rating: 1
Mentally Challenged, that's quite ironic coming from you.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/25/2012 9:07:49 AM , Rating: 1
I am FULLY aware of "Hackintosh", that still, is not a Mac....


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By StevoLincolnite on 1/25/2012 11:24:39 PM , Rating: 2
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I am FULLY aware of "Hackintosh", that still, is not a Mac....


Mac's use all PC hardware, the only difference really is the case and the software.
A "Hackintosh" is every bit of a Mac if all that's different is the shiny Apple logo.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By wordsworm on 1/27/2012 6:02:33 AM , Rating: 2
RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Smilin on 1/26/2012 6:32:12 PM , Rating: 2
No, people aren't unaware. It's just that a hackintosh is one step away from buying a computer from a guy in a white van.

Building your own Linux or Windows box is legit.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By tayb on 1/24/2012 10:51:22 PM , Rating: 2
Build a PC from scratch? I think you mean assemble. Regardless, the comparison was never a desktop PC. In fact desktops weren't even brought up once nor are they a significant or minor contributor to these profit numbers. A custom built PC certainly is faster and cheaper... than anything. Even a PC from a name brand company.

You missed the point.

Go assemble yourself a smartphone or a laptop.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By BSMonitor on 1/25/2012 9:20:07 AM , Rating: 1
Last time I checked, one could not "build" their own laptop or All-In-One like the iMac. These are by far and away the bulk of Mac sales.

Grow up


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By StevoLincolnite on 1/25/2012 11:28:34 PM , Rating: 2
You can build your own laptop.
And an all in one machine.

For a laptop though you need to go through a 3rd party to assemble it. (Like Origin PC).

For an all in one machine... Get a Mini-ITX or Pico-ITX case and hardware and mount it to the Vesa mounts on a monitor.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By simsony on 1/25/12, Rating: 0
RE: Apple are doomed :)
By nafhan on 1/25/2012 10:16:43 AM , Rating: 2
Speaking of distorting reality, good job. Anyway, here's some un-distortion:
--My phone was $200 the day it came out - I bought it 6 months later for $35, and this was a flagship device: the Droid Incredible. This price drop would not happen with an Apple product.
--Windows or OSX are generally included in the price of a new PC. In my experience, very few Windows users upgrade vs. most Mac users upgrading multiple times at $30 a pop. In other words, I'd say Mac users end up paying more for their OS software than Windows users do.
--The Android tablets that have sold well have been closer to $200, not $400.
--A pretty good portion of the computer using population are absolutely fine with the performance and capabilities of the "crappy notebooks you can get at Best Buy". This may sound crazy, but I generally get the cheapest item that meets my needs. I don't even cry anymore when I realize the shell of my notebook isn't made of aluminum :)


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Tony Swash on 1/24/12, Rating: -1
RE: Apple are doomed :)
By simsony on 1/25/12, Rating: 0
RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Tony Swash on 1/25/12, Rating: -1
RE: Apple are doomed :)
By nafhan on 1/25/2012 11:12:36 AM , Rating: 1
I'll ignore your other nonsense to point this out:
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To get some perspective on what is happening consider this: In this past quarter, Apple sold 37 million iPhones, 15 million iPads, just over 5 million Macs and around 7 million iPod Touches. That's nearly 67 million computer devices in 3 months. Around 60 million of those devices run an operating system, iOS, that is just five years old. The top 5 "PC" companies, including HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer Group and Asus, sell approximately 60 million PCs per quarter combined.
Some perspective on what? You are arbitrarily comparing Apple's entire product portfolio to PC only sales from 5 manufacturers. Why leave out handset sales from the major handset manufacturers (i.e. Samsung, Nokia, etc.)?


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Pirks on 1/25/2012 7:23:53 PM , Rating: 1
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Sorry to hear about your woes - perhaps you need to upgrade your IT skills :)
Sorry to hear about your Windows woes, Tony. Perhaps you need to upgrade your IT skills :)


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Tony Swash on 1/24/12, Rating: -1
RE: Apple are doomed :)
By simsony on 1/25/2012 2:10:36 AM , Rating: 1
Oh dear... you started the comparison. Because it is a device it is OK to overprice? Is that your logic?

iWorks is a far cry from Office. iWorks is a little better than MS Works.

MacOSX is cheap because you pay for it in HW (and lower specs).

Didn't hear of any new discount on Office pricing. Hell earnings grew for an incumbent business product. Did you?

Sensible arguments please. Yes they are making money. But because of good marketing and branding. iPhone 4S is pretty much the same phone. All the real specs have been on Android's for a while. And the Apple A5 is made by Samsung. Not just fabbed but designed. You want fabless you go to TSMC.

PS: I almost want Apple to fail. Out of curiosity. I wonder how you'd spin that. No SJ is what I'm betting on.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Tony Swash on 1/25/12, Rating: 0
RE: Apple are doomed :)
By nafhan on 1/25/2012 4:04:40 PM , Rating: 2
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nobody can beat iPad or Macbook Air on price without comprising on quality
That statement is at the very least misleading. Manufacturers can "compromise" in a number of areas that don't affect "quality". For instance, I'm perfectly happy to have a plastic shell and a TFT screen on my laptop if that means I save $600 - $700. To you that may be "compromising on quality" to me and many others it's "stuff that I don't want to pay $600 for".
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If you really think that... all that can be explained as being the result of just 'marketing and and branding'
"Just marketing and branding"??? We're talking about retail sales here. With proper marketing and branding you can sell millions of dollars in rocks - as pets! Marketing and branding is a huge deal, and just about any company on earth would kill for Apple's brand image. It's absolutely one of the main reasons for Apple's success. I actually have a hard time understanding how you don't see that...


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/25/2012 4:46:22 PM , Rating: 1
He doesn't see it because he's blind to reality. Everything in his brain is correct and you wrong. It's as simple as that.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By tayb on 1/25/2012 6:43:15 PM , Rating: 2
Branding is a big deal for Apple but it is definitely not the only reason for their success.

I have yet to find a comparable Windows laptop that offered me the same size, weight, durability, and most importantly battery life of a Macbook Air. Samsung has a really nice 13" Series 9 notebook... but it's more expensive than the MBA and the jury is still out on battery life.

I work as a SE and when my company offered to buy me a notebook for travel to Philadelphia I selected a MBA. I also assembled my own desktop and own a Droid X. To you though, I'm a sheep, because I made a choice to buy a laptop that was thin, light, durable, and provided me 8+ hours of battery life.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By nafhan on 1/26/2012 9:23:41 AM , Rating: 2
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Branding is a big deal for Apple but it is definitely not the only reason for their success.
Which is why I didn't say that...

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I have yet to find a comparable Windows laptop...
If your computer needs line up perfectly with what you can get in a Macbook Air, it's actually a pretty good deal, not contesting that. However, some people (I would even say most), have more modest or just different computing needs.

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blah, blah, To you though, I'm a sheep, because I made a choice, blah, blah
Nope. At worst, I might think you're kind of jerk for thinking you understand my thought process. :) Anyway, you're talking about a situation where battery life is likely the number one concern and someone else is paying. In that situation, I'd probably get a MBA, too...


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By TakinYourPoints on 1/26/2012 2:08:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
That statement is at the very least misleading. Manufacturers can "compromise" in a number of areas that don't affect "quality". For instance, I'm perfectly happy to have a plastic shell and a TFT screen on my laptop if that means I save $600 - $700. To you that may be "compromising on quality" to me and many others it's "stuff that I don't want to pay $600 for".


The thing is that other companies can't compete on price if they use comparable components in similar form factors.

As it stands, I prefer to have quality components outside of just CPU and GPU. The only LCDs I've used with my desktop PCs are IPS, and my keyboards are mechanical. They cost more, sure, but I much prefer them to less expensive TN panels and membrane keyboards, same with cases that make for excellent builds. Corsair and Silverstone cases cost more than most but they're also really well made and easy to build in.

A lot of the time you get what you pay for. In the case of Apple notebooks, you get a great balance of weight, chassis size, battery life, keyboard, the absolute best trackpad out there, and great displays. If you don't want to pay up, fine, there are loads of other options out there. I don't see the point badmouthing Apple for not compromising on the overall package though, those things are great if you value them.

I don't think they are superfluous either, the last thing I want to compromise on are displays, can't handle bad ones.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By Pirks on 1/25/2012 7:54:20 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
nobody can beat the iPad on price without comprising on quality
Lies. Playbook did that when prices dropped. It was same quality as iPad if not higher (more compact and light is higher quality in my book) but costed same $499+, now it's down to $200+ or so, so it beats the shit out of iPad price-wise while being better in many regards quality wise. I know this because I used both and you as an Apple fan who never used Playbook should not be trusted on this. You just lie about this, you can't be objective, alas ;)
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Apple is still driving down software prices and has established a new inexpensive model for phone and tablet apps and that is a kick in the nuts for companies that only essentially make money from software, such as Microsoft
This is fine, I don't think MS is really worried about this, they'll let Apple to sell crappy software for cheap and they'll make better software and will sell it for higher price.

So far they were able to fend off cheap open source MS Office-like clone crap with better and more expensive products, I don't see the reason why they can't do the same with Apple's software. For instance, the native Windows media players always beat the crap out of Apple's iTunes software quality and stability/speed wise.

I mean, man, why would MS worry about Apple producing cheapo crap sofwtare and expensive hardware when it's totally NOT the MS turf? It's like a totally different market that does not overlap with MS taget audience. MS users are people preferring quality software on cheap hardware (all the enterpise users are like that), the Apple users are the opposite, they'd prefer crappy software but on a trendy hardware that has decent usability and build quality. Granted, the Apple software matured somewhat and is not a piece of stink it used to be a few years ago but MS was not standing still either. Did you read how Windows Phone smoked all its competitors at CES? Including iPhione 4S and Galaxy Nexus. Watch this and maybe your Apple zealotry will subsisde a little: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE0328D93355...

88% win rate for WP7, and after this you're telling me that MS should be worried? Just when WP7 smoked the crap out of latest iPhone and Android handsets? Tony, are you even serious? :)))
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Either way Microsoft's old software pricing system, the system that underpins it's core revenue streams, is fucked
No, I think fucked are the people who seriously think enterprise computing, HPC, cloud et cetera are all gonna move to smartphones and tablets. Stop smoking crack Tony


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By DeluxeTea on 1/25/2012 11:44:26 PM , Rating: 1
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So what? Apple is still driving down software prices and has established a new inexpensive model for phone and tablet apps and that is a kick in the nuts for companies that only essentially make money from software, such as Microsoft. In order to keep Office the industry standard it has been in the past Microsoft has to either sell an iOS version (in which case it will have to enter the low price ecosystem of iOS apps with a low price version of Office) or lower it's OS and Office pricing norms for the tablet version of Windows 8 so that OEMs manage to set a competitive price for Windows 8 tablets and thus sell so many that it can compete with iPad sales. Either way Microsoft's old software pricing system, the system that underpins it's core revenue streams, is fucked. Nice one Apple.

Apple beating Microsoft in software? What the hell are you smoking? Unless most corporations adopt Apple software en masse, Apple can't do shit against Microsoft's offerings. But that won't happen, since going Apple requires a huge investment in hardware - most Apple software only work on Apple products.

If Open Office (which is free last time I checked) can't beat MS Office, what chance does Apple have?

Apple is fucked, software and corporate-wise.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By trajan24 on 2/17/2012 9:19:23 PM , Rating: 2
You must be dumber than a rock. Apple's growth rate has beaten the PC industry for 23 straight quarters. All their trajectories are up, and they have iphone 5 coming which will be a monster. Apple makes MORE than 50% of ALL the smartphone profits the industry produces.
They are making serious inroads in the corporate world as well.


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By nightscooter on 1/25/2012 2:14:24 AM , Rating: 1
I don’t mean to pry but for curiosity’s sake how many words per minute can you type with one hand on your tool?


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By sprockkets on 1/24/2012 6:45:51 PM , Rating: 2
You said it wrong. It's

Apple is Doomed TM


RE: Apple are doomed :)
By aliasfox on 1/25/2012 10:10:34 AM , Rating: 1
In British English, companies are considered plural - as in a company is made up of multiple people. Therefore 'Apple are doomed' is as grammatically correct as 'We are doomed.'

Now, in accordance with proper US grammar, the Supreme Court has ruled that a company equals a person, so 'Apple is doomed' would be acceptable in the states. As would donating to politicians, but that's a different matter entirely.


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