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2013 Mazda CX-5
Skyactiv-D will be in the CX-5 crossover and perhaps the Mazda6

In Europe, cars and other vehicles with diesel engines are very common. They tend to get better fuel economy and diesel is at times cheaper than gasoline. With more and more drivers in the U.S. focused on green cars and fuel economy, America may finally be ready to embrace the diesel engine.
 
There are several car companies now looking to place diesel engines into cars and SUVs that traditionally used gasoline only. BMW is a good example; the company is readying a version of its M5 that uses a diesel engine. GM is also onboard with a diesel version of its popular Chevrolet Cruze compact sedan.
 
Now Mazda has announced plans to bring its Skyactiv-D diesel engine to the U.S. car market by 2014. Mazda thinks that the engine will help it stand out among the hybrids. The Skyactiv-D engine is a 2.2L four cylinder with 173hp and 310lb/ft of torque.
 
"We think it's a good differentiator," said Jim O'Sullivan, CEO of Mazda North American Operations, to Automotive News during the Detroit auto show. It will give Mazda a reputation that "Those guys are always doing something a little different."
 
The diesel engine is expected to find its way into the CX-5 crossover SUV and the Mazda6 sedan. The Mazda6 sedan is only expected to get diesel power in some markets and it's not clear if the U.S. is one of those markets. Mazda is eyeing VW in the States since VW is the only carmaker at the price point with a diesel option courtesy of the Passat TDI.
 
"Volkswagen, I honestly believe, gets incremental business above and beyond other brands because they do have a diesel, and they buy Volkswagens only because they do have it," said O'Sullivan.

Source: Trucktrend



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RE: Diesel fuel seems more expensive
By Keeir on 1/18/2012 2:17:48 PM , Rating: 2
#1. "Diesel's weight a LOT more than a petrol model"

Looking at the VW Jetta Sportwagen
2.5L model = 3257
2.0TDI model = 3283

VW Passat
2.5L model = 3220
TDI Model = 3280

VW Toureq
V6 model=4711
TDI Model=4974
Hybrid=5135

At worst, the TDI is still less than 6% increase in mass. At best its less than 1%. And in each above case the TDI is the -better- engine.

#2. "Diesel cars are more expensive upfront to buy/lease"

This is true to a certain extend. Diesel cars are between 0% to 10% more expensive than comparable petrol cars. Hybrids are typically 10% to 25% more expensive. TCO though is pretty important. The AVERAGE age of a car in the US is more than 10! years. That means most cars are lasting 200,000 or so miles on average. Which means that over a lifetime at ~3.54 dollars a gallon that a new "standard" 25,000 USD 25 MPG car will cost more than 28,000 in fuel.

In the US market right now, the best comparison that can be made is the A3 2.0 Turbo to the A3 2.0 TDI

Curb Weight: 3296/3318 (0.7%)
Base MSRP: 28,750/30,250 (0.5%)
0-60: 6.9/8.9
MPG: 24/34 (41.6%)

The 2.0 TDI trades top end performance for significantly better fuel economy. Having actually driven both cars, the Diesel is nearly identical in feel to the Petrol car in the majority of daily driving.

The Diesel A3 has significantly lower TCO. End of Story.

Diesel is not the appropriate solution for everyone. If you happen to drive heavier cars (feature packed) for long distances at a steady speed, the Diesel IS a very good option however. If you want to drive an eco-box in a city, then a normal petrol car or a mild hybrid are much better options.

In 2010, the US -EXPORTED- 656,000 barrels of diesel per day. Much of this headed to Europe or other areas where diesel is less highly taxed than gasoline.

What both the US AND Europe need to do is find a way to let gasoline and diesel consumption in the countries balance. Since oil breaks down into a certain percentage of Diesel and Gasoline, the most efficient use of the oil reserves and refining capability of a country will be a certain percentage of miles driven on Diesel/Gasoline. Clearly the US is shifted towards gasoline and many other countries are shifted to diesel. This creates waste is shipping oil and fuel around... sometimes nearly in a circle. The end result of this would be a certain percentage of diesel passenger cars on US roads... mainly for the consumer that drives long distances at a steady speed.


RE: Diesel fuel seems more expensive
By Mint on 1/18/2012 5:08:14 PM , Rating: 2
The diesel/gasoline consumption is already balanced. That's what markets do. There is very little capability left in global oil refining to create more diesel, and if the US became like Europe in diesel popularity, diesel price would skyrocket until someone started using less.

Pursuing wider usage diesel is a long term dead end for energy efficiency and cost reasons unless biodiesel wins out as the best alternative fuel in the future, which seems unlikely.


RE: Diesel fuel seems more expensive
By Keeir on 1/19/2012 6:51:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The diesel/gasoline consumption is already balanced. That's what markets do.


No... Diesel/Gasoline consumption is -not- balanced on efficiency.

It's balanced based -taxes- and other government imposed factors. Markets balance based on consumer demand and supplier cost... not what's the most efficient use of fuel.

For example, in Germany, Diesel is taxed ~0.20 Euros less per liter than gasoline. That's nearly 1 dollar a gallon!

In most US states, Diesel only gets an additional 5 cents per gallon extra tax.

But if you compare Germany and the US, there is more than a 1 dollar per gallon difference in government imposed cost... which creates an artificially increased demand for Diesel in Germany... provided the transportation cost for a gallon a Diesel Fuel is less than 50 cents per gallon, then its better to ship the Diesel Fuel to Europe than consume it here in the US! (While Diesel Engine makes better use of fuel on a per kWh basis than gasoline, its probably better to use local gasoline than foreign diesel.)

I think the whole world needs to review their taxing of energy. A worldwide policy of taxing energy sources in a consistent way would help ensure that the market picks more -efficient- energy rather having the government pick winners. I would suggest formula based in part on kWh, NOx, Particular matter etc.

(I like Diesel, but I am not so naive to think that the huge numbers of Diesel passenger cars in Europe is not due to the massive tax advantage given to them by the European governments.


RE: Diesel fuel seems more expensive
By Spuke on 1/18/2012 7:02:07 PM , Rating: 2
Where are you getting $28,000 in fuel costs from? I'm coming up with ~$19,000 in gasoline versus ~$15,000 for diesel. Still a $4000 difference but not sure on your numbers.


RE: Diesel fuel seems more expensive
By fic2 on 1/19/2012 12:44:08 PM , Rating: 2
Pretty sure he took it from:
quote:
That means most cars are lasting 200,000 or so miles on average. Which means that over a lifetime at ~3.54 dollars a gallon that a new "standard" 25,000 USD 25 MPG car will cost more than 28,000 in fuel.

200,000 miles total lifetime / 25 MPG * $3.54/gal = $28,320.


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