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2013 Mazda CX-5
Skyactiv-D will be in the CX-5 crossover and perhaps the Mazda6

In Europe, cars and other vehicles with diesel engines are very common. They tend to get better fuel economy and diesel is at times cheaper than gasoline. With more and more drivers in the U.S. focused on green cars and fuel economy, America may finally be ready to embrace the diesel engine.
There are several car companies now looking to place diesel engines into cars and SUVs that traditionally used gasoline only. BMW is a good example; the company is readying a version of its M5 that uses a diesel engine. GM is also onboard with a diesel version of its popular Chevrolet Cruze compact sedan.
Now Mazda has announced plans to bring its Skyactiv-D diesel engine to the U.S. car market by 2014. Mazda thinks that the engine will help it stand out among the hybrids. The Skyactiv-D engine is a 2.2L four cylinder with 173hp and 310lb/ft of torque.
"We think it's a good differentiator," said Jim O'Sullivan, CEO of Mazda North American Operations, to Automotive News during the Detroit auto show. It will give Mazda a reputation that "Those guys are always doing something a little different."
The diesel engine is expected to find its way into the CX-5 crossover SUV and the Mazda6 sedan. The Mazda6 sedan is only expected to get diesel power in some markets and it's not clear if the U.S. is one of those markets. Mazda is eyeing VW in the States since VW is the only carmaker at the price point with a diesel option courtesy of the Passat TDI.
"Volkswagen, I honestly believe, gets incremental business above and beyond other brands because they do have a diesel, and they buy Volkswagens only because they do have it," said O'Sullivan.

Source: Trucktrend

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RE: Diesel fuel seems more expensive
By mellomonk on 1/18/2012 2:10:45 PM , Rating: 2
Wow. You have obviously not been keeping up with current automotive tech/trends. Modern small displacement common-rail diesel engines have answered nearly all your points.

Yes. Diesel engines are moderately more expensive. But when you when you factor in the increased mileage, the reduced service cost per mile , and relative longer life of the engine, diesel makes a strong case for those who desire a long life from the vehicles or put lots of miles on them.

Weight of the engine is not the issue it once was. Plus the drivetrain is a lower overall percentage of the weight of modern cars as the weight of electronics, safety structures, and the like has increased dramatically. In short all modern cars are heavy.

Service again is moderately more expensive. Here in the states that is partially a factor of it being more specialized work until numbers rise. But service intervals are usually longer and the cost per mile driven can be lower overall. As for the turbos, again this isn't the 70s. Much easier service and longer life. Plus most modern direct injection petrol engines are going with turbos as well.

Performance is dramatically better with the modern CR designs. Much quieter, smoother, and responsive. Many folks cannot tell what kind of engine is on board once past idle. The low rpm, high mileage highway cruise of the diesel is wonderful.

My experience with modern diesel has come at the hands of trips in both modern Mercedes and VW vehicles, including a 2000+ mile trip in a Jetta TDI. Several legs of that trip found us getting nearly 50 miles per gallon on highway stretches. Impressive for nearly any car, wonderful for such a modern comfortable design.

RE: Diesel fuel seems more expensive
By Reclaimer77 on 1/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: Diesel fuel seems more expensive
By mellomonk on 1/18/2012 3:15:53 PM , Rating: 2
The current TDI Golf is about the worst example you could bring up. It is an EU made model and carries a huge increase in features of the base petrol model. Do your math on TDI Jetta or Passat and the equivalent SEL trimmed petrol version and get back to me. Or rather don't. You will find that the diesel is about $2000 more expensive at the start, but will save you far more then that in fuel over the average life span which by the way is about 10 years now. Most folks will save overall within the normal 5 year loan timeframe actually. Many diesel fans look beyond mpg in their decision making. There is the issue of the amount of CO2 produced per mile and the availablilty of Bio fuels as well.

You bury me in links all you want. I will bury you right back. You are correct in most of your points, except you are missing the HUGE one. None of these are deal killers. The modern diesel is coming to the US. It already is a huge percentage of sales in the EU and other regions where fuel prices are relatively high and with 5$ a gallon fuel on the horizon and the average US car now being 10 years + in service the US is primed for clean diesel. EVs and hybrids still have a good deal of development to go through and make far less economic sense. There future is bright, but a way off. Diesel tech is here now and antiquated perceptions such as yours are becoming the minority. Every significant auto maker already makes diesels and has been weighing and balancing US federalization for nearly a decade. Now they are ready and there will be several now diesel models in the coming two years and a flood in the next model cycle. Looking at VWs TDI sales it appears many in the US are as well. Or I guess you are out to prove that every major auto maker and huge number of auto enthusiasts are naive and/or stupid? Do you have a link for that?

RE: Diesel fuel seems more expensive
By Reclaimer77 on 1/18/12, Rating: -1
By BZDTemp on 1/19/2012 6:22:03 AM , Rating: 2
It seems to me you have a lot of opinions about what goes on in Europe but most seem based upon few facts.

Back in the day going with a Diesel was a choice made based on economy for those going lots of miles and/or a choice made driven by the need for low end torque by those hauling boats/horses/whatever. However for, at least the last decade, the modern diesel cars have been just as much a question about taste as it is economy. BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Peugeot... they all offer diesel engines in both their small cars and in their big luxury models. Surely you're not claiming that someone buying an 7-series BMW, an S-class Merc or a Audi A8 is looking at fuel costs? Or at car taxes for that matter?

And as for Diesel being cheaper than gasoline then yes that is true but it's within a few percentage points so it's not a big factor.

If you think that capitalism and consumer desires is not what drives the market here in Europe then you're very mistaken.

The reason there are few Diesel cars in the US is because of the misconceptions like the ones you bring forward. Basically those bad cars in the 70s gave Diesel a bad rep plus it have given Diesel an image of being dirty and only for manual labor sort of work (and yes it smells if you get it on you). However it's a shame those misconceptions are still around because a modern Diesel brings much of the same relaxed driving that one gets from cruising with a big V8 and those modern Diesel can also be sporty if you want. In fact Diesel cars are pretty successful in racing - just look at endurance racing.

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