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  (Source: teribon.ir)
Iran has some fun at the expense of the U.S.

The United States was more than a bit embarrassed when it lost an RQ-170 Sentinel stealth drone over Iran. Although the U.S. government initially claimed that the aircraft malfunctioned and was missing "somewhere near Afghanistan", Iran boldly claimed that it spoofed the Sentinel's GPS feed causing the drone to "think" it was landing at an airbase in Afghanistan instead of its actual landing spot -- an Iranian military base.
 
In a surprise move, President Barack Obama engaged Iran during a press conferencing, stating, "We've asked for it back. We'll see how the Iranians respond."
 
Iran is now humorously responding to President Obama's request in toy form. “He said he wanted it back, and we will send him one,” joked Reza Kioumarsi of the Ayeh Art Group, which is responsible for the production of the 1/80 scale toy that sells for the equivalent of $4 USD.

[Source: teribon.ir]

Iranian officials are quick to point out that unlike most toys sold in the U.S., these won't be made in China. They'll be produced in Iran using Iranian plastic. The toy replicas will come in a number of different colors and will feature a clear plastic stand with the inscription: "We will put America under our feet.”
 
To add insult to injury, the Ayeh Art Group is said to have reserved a pink replica to send directly to President Obama.

Sources: The Washington Post, ABC News, The New York Times



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RE: sigh
By Dorkyman on 1/18/2012 12:38:47 AM , Rating: 4
But Messiah delivers a good teleprompter speech, acts cool, and got a whole lot of votes from white folks trying to move past their whole "black slavery" guilt trip thing.

Now, in retrospect, it's pretty obvious the guy was never qualified to be Prez. But it will be over soon.


RE: sigh
By Rage187 on 1/18/2012 6:44:49 AM , Rating: 2
Thank God this guy is on his way out. Romney's campaign slogan should be "Change it back!"


RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/18/2012 7:27:55 AM , Rating: 1
"Thank God this guy is on his way out. Romney's campaign slogan should be "Change it back!" "

Becasue we were in such great shape in January of 2009 when Obama took office. /rolls eyes


RE: sigh
By MrBlastman on 1/18/2012 3:54:45 PM , Rating: 2
I happen to be sad for anyone voting for Romney in the primaries. Sorry, but if I get a chance to vote in them and they make it to my state, he definitely is NOT getting my vote at all. He's got some extreme views on certain things while at the same time takes far too left of a stance on things such as healthcare.

Okay, I suppose that makes him somewhat moderate but the extreme views he holds in my eyes outweigh any value he can bring to the table. The one thing that he does bring that I have zero respect for is his "private equity" background. That is a tremendous negative in my book.

But wait, people might argue Warren Buffet etc.--the truth is, Romney is no Warren and never was. When I see him talk, hear him speak or listen to what he says, all I find is a slickster trying to pull wool over our eyes to get to what he really wants which is more power and more money.

Sorry, he's not getting my vote now or in the November elections. Obama isn't either so I'll have to vote somewhere else but one thing is for sure--I'm fed up with "settling." Not gonna happen anymore. I'm going to vote how Americans should vote--for people that represent the bulk of their beliefs and values that also can do the best possible job for our Nation.

Oh, did I just suggest people put effort into choosing their candidate before they go and vote? Yes, yes I did! Sadly, most don't do this and just settle for who the media tells them is the most "popular" candidate. In this case, it is Romney.

The only people losing here are the American public.


RE: sigh
By KCjoker on 1/18/2012 5:54:32 PM , Rating: 3
That's the scary part...I didn't think it was possible but Obama made things even worse.


RE: sigh
By seamonkey79 on 1/18/2012 7:33:00 AM , Rating: 2
Why? Romney's slogan of "I'm going to keep changing it, but there will be an R after my name" seems to be working well enough.


RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/18/2012 9:30:48 AM , Rating: 3
"Bush left us with a recession. Obama started a depression. "

thats not at all the way the economy works. Its not like a president takes office and immediatley effects the economy. It takes years. Your argument is as if Bush jettisoned the gas tanks and pointed the plane toward the ground, then bailed out, leaving Obama to pilot the plane. It of course crashes and you cry "Obama crashed the plane!!!)".

No, the economy was in a tailspin in the last half of 2008 and there was no stopping it.

I am not defending Obama, I dont think he helped at all and I dont think he is doing a good job, but the economy isnt his fault. It happened long before he took office.


RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/18/2012 9:51:28 AM , Rating: 3
LOL so increasing the deficit from $600 billion to three TRILLION in two years is nothing to do with Obama?

I'm sorry but at some point you have to give credit where it's due. The recession wasn't his fault. But EVERYTHING he did after he took office made it worst. You're trying to wash his hands of the whole thing and, frankly, that tactic is getting old. He's milked the whole "it wasn't me" line as far as it will go and the American people need a leader who can be accountable.

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Its not like a president takes office and immediatley effects the economy.


Normally this is the case. However Obama IN ONE YEAR increased federal spending by 22%. He DID immediately effect the economy, for the worst.


RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/18/2012 10:11:42 AM , Rating: 1
"Normally this is the case. However Obama IN ONE YEAR increased federal spending by 22%. He DID immediately effect the economy, for the worst"

I agree, and I said I dont think he is doing a good job. That 1 trillion dollar stimulus package was aweful. But most of that deficit is due to lower revenue from the poor economy.

When he took office the economy was in a nosedive and nothing could have stopped it. Did he make it worse? Yes, but he inherited a sinking ship.

You always want to blame the left for everything that goes wrong without looking at the real issues... In Jan 2009 when Obama took office the Rep's had the oval office for 20 of the previous 28 years and they had control of Congress for 14 of the previous 16 years. You cannot possibly blame everything on the Dems, when the REpa have had teh majority of control in the modern era. The argument just cannot be made.


RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/18/2012 10:37:25 AM , Rating: 2
I don't believe in a "recession proof" economy. Our economy is cyclical, and recessions are part of that cycle. I'm not "blaming" anyone for the recession man.

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When he took office the economy was in a nosedive and nothing could have stopped it. Did he make it worse? Yes, but he inherited a sinking ship.


That sounds like a cop out though. If you take office, and the economy is in a "nosedive", then that should be your priority.

You just don't want to see the true evil that took place. That our President purposefully and intentionally manipulated the events taking place to gain political power and ram through an agenda. Fixing the economy, like any normal President would have attempted, was NOT his primary concern.

You admit he made it worst, yet still come up with excuses for it. What kind of moral relativist passive crap is that, man?


RE: sigh
By anactoraaron on 1/18/2012 11:54:28 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You just don't want to see the true evil that took place. That our President purposefully and intentionally manipulated the events taking place to gain political power and ram through an agenda. Fixing the economy, like any normal President would have attempted, was NOT his primary concern.


Wow there's so many things wrong with this statement in this context I don't know where to start. Discussions of it's the Blue leader's fault vs. the Red leader's fault usually are.

The "purposefully and intentionally manipulated the events to gain political power" describes EVERY ELECTED POLITICIAN in our government today. Big surprise there.

"Ramming through an agenda" ...like the war in Iraq? SOPA/PIPA anyone?

And correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't live in a dictatorship. The president doesn't pass laws/policies all by himself. If I recall correctly congress does that. Yes, the same morons trying to "push an agenda" by spewing out PIPA/SOPA right now. Blame the 'figurehead' all you want (it's Bush's fault - no it's Obama's fault) but the reality is that it's the fault of many in the government for the way things are. And the true manipulation of the majority of the American public by the political parties this time of year is to get Joe Q Public to continue to believe that the 'figurehead' is responsible for everything right and wrong in this country. And then vote "all blue" or "all red" on the ballots without even knowing who all those people are. Then the cycle goes on...

But yes, every part of this is evil. Who's actually seeing it?


RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/18/2012 12:01:37 PM , Rating: 2
We're talking about the economy. You're going into a lot of different areas that go far beyond the discussion at hand. If you want to widen the scope of the argument to everything that is wrong about government in general, make a new thread about it.


RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/18/2012 12:58:50 PM , Rating: 2
"You admit he made it worst, yet still come up with excuses for it. What kind of moral relativist passive crap is that, man? "

I am not making excuses for it. The facts are the facts. This thread started for me when someone said "change it back"... Well, back where it was under Bush caused the mess. That is my only point. You cant blame Obama for this mess. At best you can say he made it worse, or is just plain inept (and you may well be right), but it wasnt his fault.


RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/18/2012 1:11:18 PM , Rating: 1
Again, even if Bush "caused" the recession it's Obama who is turning it into a depression.

Hence my original statement. What's the problem again?

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You cant blame Obama for this mess


Yes we can and have. Because it IS his fault. He's the President. When it's all said and done, his Presidency will be judged on how effective it was when he was in office, and the status of the nation when he left it.

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At best you can say he made it worse


LOL umm how is that any better? Are you just trying to be ironic? You sound like someone tripping over themselves to blindly defend someone.


RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/18/2012 1:18:05 PM , Rating: 2
"Again, even if Bush "caused" the recession it's Obama who is turning it into a depression."

What depression? Its already on its way back up. Damn dood, get some perspective. In the depression we had 25% unemployment and masses of people standing in line for a free bowl of govt. soup. People were hungry, and homeless. How many iPhones and Androids sold in the past 3 years? Depression LOL.

"Yes we can and have. Because it IS his fault. He's the President. When it's all said and done, his Presidency will be judged on how effective it was when he was in office, and the status of the nation when he left it"

If that is your assertion, he took it in a tailspin and (if he is ousted this election) will leave it slowly climbing upward.

" LOL umm how is that any better? Are you just trying to be ironic? You sound like someone tripping over themselves to blindly defend someone."

See posts above. I DONT think he is doing a good job, its just not his fault.


RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/18/2012 1:31:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What depression? Its already on its way back up.


Back up!!?? With INSANE levels of debt and unemployment? You're looking like a fool now. Don't hand me that "new normal" crap either, those are NOT healthy economic indicators no matter how you guys spin it.

I don't think you realize just how screwed we are. We CANNOT have debt and deficits of this level and pretend our economy is healthy.

quote:
In the depression we had 25% unemployment and masses of people standing in line for a free bowl of govt. soup.


That was the GREAT depression. Just because things aren't as bad doesn't mean we don't have a depressed economy under Obama. Sheesh, come on! Be reasonable here.

Not that it matters. Even if things DID get that bad under Obama, you apparently would still blame Bush lol.

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I DONT think he is doing a good job, its just not his fault.


That might have floated his first year of office. But you're saying that his terms is almost up, and still nothing is his fault?? That's not even possible.

You're nothing but a biased supporter pretending to be objective. I've heard enough out of you.


RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/18/2012 2:24:33 PM , Rating: 1
"Back up!!?? With INSANE levels of debt and unemployment? You're looking like a fool now. Don't hand me that "new normal" crap either, those are NOT healthy economic indicators no matter how you guys spin it."

Calm down man, its not as bad as all that. Yes, the debt is bad, but unemployment isnt anywhere near depression levels and is on the way back down. It was 9.3 last year now 8.5 or 8.6ish. New normal? What are you talking about? dont put words into my mouth. I said we are not in a depression anad that is correct.

"That was the GREAT depression. Just because things aren't as bad doesn't mean we don't have a depressed economy under Obama. Sheesh, come on! Be reasonable here."

Oh, OK, so your saying we arent not in a GREAT depression, only a depression? dood, we arent technically even in a recession. We are in recovery mode. A recession is 3 quarters of negative growth. We are growing somewhere between 2-3% per quarter. Not rapid, not great, but not a recession and defintely not a depression. YOU need to be reasonable.

Agreed about the debt. It has to be fixed and fast, the big question is how.

Nevermind man... You are so extreme to the right that you cant even see the middle with binoculars. You are so caught up in blaming the left that you cant even properly identify the issues. People like you are the problem in this country, you are so far to your side that you cant see any issue objectively. You cant even take someone saying that its not Obama's fault without accusing that person of being some closet liberal. You are too far gone from reality. You are no better than Michael Moore or Nancy Pelosi... Exact same only opposite sides. Think about that.

Try and get some perpective. Being that closed minded isnt helping you any.


RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/18/2012 3:05:41 PM , Rating: 2
You're really condescending. I'm going to take the high road and say good discussion (until you turned into Dr. Phil and started judging me), and have a nice day sir.


RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/18/2012 3:47:09 PM , Rating: 2
I see I struck a nerve so your done? Thats fine, I am done too. I apologize for being condecending, but try to see past the insulting part to the content part.


RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/18/2012 4:09:51 PM , Rating: 2
A nerve? No you're just straight up personally attacking me constantly and making judgments about my character over this. You shifted from the topic to dissecting me, and if I defend myself then I'm stuck playing your game while also lending credibility to your claims. So I just chose not to.


RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/19/2012 9:16:31 AM , Rating: 3
"you're just straight up personally attacking me constantly and making judgments about my character over this. You shifted from the topic to dissecting me"

I apologize if you felt that way... It is just that I think you are full of it. You are more interested in blaming the left than really discussing the issues here. This isnt the first time we have gone at it over politics. You always want to blame everything on the left...

Seriously... Consider this - In Jan 2009 when Obama took office the economy was in a freefall and America was looking like a joke to the international community... The Rep's had the oval office for 20 of the previous 28 years and they had control of Congress for 14 of the previous 16 years. You cannot possibly blame everything on the Dems, when the Reps have had the huge majority of control in the modern era. The argument just cannot be made.

Back to reality - again, we are not in a depression. The depression had 25% unemployment and many middle class Americans standing in soup lines just to get a meal. This "depression" had 10 % unemployment (now down to 8.6%) and during it, we sold 10's of millions of iPhones and Androids, with no mass "feed the hungry" projects required in America. This is nothing anywhere near a depression, and I refuse to run around like Chicken Little and Glen Beck and cry how the sky is falling and its all Obama's fault. That view is so narrow minded that I cannot begin to relate and I admit, I probably do come off condescending against it, because I truly feel it's ridiculous.


RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/19/2012 4:12:27 PM , Rating: 2
I really don't know where you get this stuff. You agreed with me that Obama made things worst. You said that several times didn't you? Now suddenly the discussion is all about me and you're twisting everything to nothing being his fault?

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Seriously... Consider this - In Jan 2009 when Obama took office the economy was in a freefall and America was looking like a joke to the international community...


A joke? If you think we were a joke then, how about now? Iran is blatantly trolling us, Obama is being called an assassin, and Europe is collapsing. As far as Obama, are we in better shape today than 4 years ago? You seem to think we are somehow. Let's examine some facts.

March ’07 > March ’11
Unemployment Rate - 4.40% > 8.80%
Gas price (per gallon) - $2.56 > $3.60
National Debt - 8.84 trillion > 14.27 trillion
Monthly deficit - 95 billion > 189 billion
Median House Price - $262,600 > $202,100
S&P 500 Index - 1420.86 > 1332.31
Employment-Population Ratio - 63.3% > 58.5%
Consumer Price Index - 205.532 > 221.309

Yeah that's a great job Obama has done. But you'll just keep towing the party line and blaming Bush and somehow tying in the past 28 years of Republican majority as to somehow causing all this. Go ahead, I know you want to.


RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/19/2012 5:22:10 PM , Rating: 2
"I really don't know where you get this stuff".

See all of the points above that you ignored.

March ’07 > March ’11
Unemployment Rate - 4.40% > 8.80%
Gas price (per gallon) - $2.56 > $3.60
National Debt - 8.84 trillion > 14.27 trillion
Monthly deficit - 95 billion > 189 billion
Median House Price - $262,600 > $202,100
S&P 500 Index - 1420.86 > 1332.31
Employment-Population Ratio - 63.3% > 58.5%
Consumer Price Index - 205.532 > 221.309

What are you trying to prove? How bad it is now? Yes, it is bad, not a "Depression" but of course, people are hurting. Do you seriously think the economy works that fast that Obama affected it??? We are still dealing with things that Reagen, Bush, Clinton and Bush2 did (good and bad). You act as if your perfect candidate (lets just say an ideal perfect conservative) could have taken the reigns in Jan 2009 and stopped the umpteen trillion dollar housing crash. Dood, you cant possibly not see that Obama didn't cause this mess. The making of this mess precedes him by years. Not months, YEARS, and not just 1 or 2 years. Several years. The bad thing Obama and the dems did on this, was the stimulus - 1.2 trillion or whatever. You cant possibly imagine that the current deficit is up PRIMARILY because tax revenue is down because too many people are out of work and under employed and that all started WAY before anything Obama did could have taken effect. No, its all the lefts fault, even though they have barely had time to do anything. It just doesn't work that fast. years from now, we will be feeling the effects of Obama and the current congresses actions, and I believe it wont be great... But you? You are so blindly trying to blame the left that you cant see straight. You have lost all sense of perspective and just blindly blame without any logic at all. You are starting to sound too much like Glen Beck for me.


RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/19/2012 6:22:18 PM , Rating: 1
WOW you have pulled a total 180. You DIRECTLY said that you believed Obama made it worst. You said that. Now I'm "Glenn Beck" and we get this....

quote:
Do you seriously think the economy works that fast that Obama affected it???


What kind of flip flopping act is that man? You have no backbone or integrity. You can't even stand by the things you said 24 hours ago.

You've lost all credibility when you completely balk on something that came out of your own mouth, and then resort to making personal attacks on me. What's happened to you? Your entire sentence structure is even falling apart. Run on sentences, bad punctuation. Hell you're not even using paragraphs anymore. Have you been drinking? It's like you're not even the same guy you were yesterday.


RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/19/2012 7:34:46 PM , Rating: 2
No I'm not drunk. I was in a super hurry trying to leave work. There is no flip flopping. I think what Obama did will make matters worse, but he didnt cause it, it all happened long before he came and we are now seeing the results. What is so hard to grasp about that? Freegin economics 101. I have been saying it over and over.

Nice avoidance of the issues though. I would just paste exactly the same thing I pasted in the last comment, but you'll just avoid that as well. I think my arguments are sound here and you have no answer.


RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/19/12, Rating: 0
RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/19/2012 8:08:23 PM , Rating: 2
dont put me where you think I am... I am no apologist, I dont give a rats arse about Obama... I dont give a crap about Hitler either , but I dont blame him for world war 1. WW2, sure, but not 1. I am calling you out on your blind one sidedness and again, you avoid the issues. You keep saying nothing to the points I owned you with.


RE: sigh
By Reclaimer77 on 1/19/12, Rating: 0
RE: sigh
By retrospooty on 1/19/2012 8:53:48 PM , Rating: 3
"I specifically said it's not his fault."

OK, we agree on that.... Now. In Jan 2009 when Obama took office the economy was in a freefall. The Rep's had the oval office for 20 of the previous 28 years and they had control of Congress for 14 of the previous 16 years. You cannot possibly blame everything on the Dems, when the Reps have had the huge majority of control in the modern era.

What can the paragraph above mean then? Why did the economy tank and who was in charge when it tanked? Go ahead, I know you know, but you really need to say it. Not for me, but for your own self you need to say it.

"If you're hung up on my use of "depression" for dramatic effect"

No, I am hung up on your always blaming everything that is wrong in this country on the left when the left hasnt been in charge hardly at all in recent history. Somehow the reps have had all the power and all the control, yet nothing is their fault. How can that be?


RE: sigh
By mcnabney on 1/18/2012 3:34:44 PM , Rating: 2
You do know that the legislature does all the taxes and spending?

The executive branch does things like send Seal Team 6 into Pakistan to kill Osama. Remember, McCain said in a debate that he would NOT do that exact thing, while Obama said that he would.


RE: sigh
By bkrharold on 1/18/2012 5:49:19 PM , Rating: 2
The greatest part of our fiscal dilemma was created by the tax cuts for the rich which Georgy boy put in as soon as he took office. The effect of these cuts alone dwarfs the war in Iraq the TARP and the economic downturn. If you don't believe me just look at this chart

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/20/bush-tax-...


RE: sigh
By KCjoker on 1/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: sigh
By JediJeb on 1/18/2012 3:04:27 PM , Rating: 2
The sad thing is they say it usually takes 3 years or more for a change in policy to be clearly seen. If the last part of the Bush admin left us with what we have now, what are the next 3 years going to look like(no matter who wins in November)?

The entire world economy is going to hit the "Debt Wall" soon, which is when all of the easily accessible money is borrowed and spent. After that the only place to get money to run world governments will be to physically take what people already have, not just grab a little here and there of what you make. What will it be like if the governments show up at our doors and demand from everyone a set amount of tax money? Could we be headed to a Medieval system of taxation in the near future?


RE: sigh
By Uncle on 1/18/2012 10:39:03 PM , Rating: 2
Don't soften your stance at all. The republicans set everything in motion to raid the treasury before and after the election. By the time the Dems new what was happening, the cupboard was cleaned out.


RE: sigh
By Mint on 1/18/2012 11:14:04 PM , Rating: 2
And what were those indicators when the spending actually began in mid-2009?

No we are not worse off by any of those indicators, and no amount of deceit from you can change that. One can argue that different methods could have done better with lower deficit, like less tax breaks for the rich, but no economist will say economic indicators got worse with ARRA.

I generally lean liberal, but nothing would make me happier than a true fiscal conservative taking power right now and immediately implementing the kind of austerity you demand. When he f***s up the economy beyond imagination, we can finally put this nonsense theory of spending cuts curing high unemployment to bed.


RE: sigh
By gladiatorua on 1/21/2012 10:58:01 AM , Rating: 2
Nononono...
American economy is a big force in world economy balance. Another big f*ck up will break the world economy even more.
As non-American I would advise to wait until China takes over as the bigest economic force and after that you can go nuts and f*ck up anything you want.


RE: sigh
By FITCamaro on 1/18/2012 12:50:26 PM , Rating: 2
Romney has to win the nomination first.


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By FaaR on 1/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: sigh
By Dorkyman on 1/18/2012 10:30:00 AM , Rating: 2
"Racist?"

Man, that has NOTHING to do with it.

I honestly couldn't care less if the guy had brown, green, or yellow polka-dot skin.


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