CES 2012: Prepare for Sub-$500 Ultrathins: AMD's Fusion Trinity, Pictured
January 15, 2012 12:15 PM
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AMD rejoins ultrathin push, takes issue with Intel for trademarking "Ultrabook"
Intel Corp. (
) and Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (
) don't exactly see eye to eye on most things, but at the 2012 Consumer Electronics Show, they seemed to both be in agreement that
ultrathin notebook computers were what ready for primetime
AMD, however, was less than thrilled with Intel for
trademarking the name "Ultrabook"
. To AMD this was akin to Intel claiming it invented the ultrathin. In AMD's mind it was the first to push this movement, when it
debutted the Athlon Neo
three years ago. A 1.6 GHz 15 watt BGA-mounted chip, the Neo was indeed much like the ultrathin-aimed chips of today. It was also arguably the precursor to AMD's biggest success story of its CPU business today -- Fusion.
We spoke with AMD's director of global product marketing, John Taylor about ultrabooks and Fusion's road ahead for 2012.
I. AMD Never Expected to Launch Fusion in Q1 2011 -- It Got Lucky
He began with a little history lesson, to put the current events in perspective.
Back in January 2011 AMD's
first family of Fusion APUs ("accelerated" processing units) --
, branded as the C-Series and E-Series. Packing a GPU somewhere between a Radeon 5000 HD and 6000 HD, and a new core architecture --
offered modest CPU performance and strong integrated GPU performance at a budget-friendly price.
But AMD shared a bit of a secret with us --
wasn't intended originally to launch at CES 2011. It was expected to be delivered in Q3 2011, alongside
-- AMD's more powerful Fusion core.
was being contracted to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Comp., Ltd. (
) (TSMC) for production at the 40 nm node. Meanwhile
was being produced by AMD's chipmaker spinoff GlobalFoundries, Inc. at a smaller 32 nm node.
wasn't bring a wholly new core design to the table. It packed a variant of the well-tread K10-core, the same core found in AMD's
processors. The modified version was known as K10.5 and was codenamed
But it turns out that the target fab for
-- TSMC's 12-inch fab (Fab 14's phase 4 facilities), located in Tainan Science Park, the high-tech manufacturing center of Tainan City, Taiwan -- was surprisingly productive. Despite the new core design, it appears that TSMC's mastery of the 40 nm node allowed it to pump out
wafers at such a brisk pace that just weeks before CES 2011, AMD decided to bump the launch up by almost two quarters and begin shipping in January.
Fusion bucked AMD's trend of late launches, arriving early. The shift was a boon for AMD.
[Image Source: AMD]
The surprise bump was a boon for AMD, propelling Fusion to 20 million units in sales for 2011.
didn't leap ahead like
due ostensibly to difficulties surrounding the fresh 32 nm process, GlobalFoundries at least managed to get it out the door in time. In June,
, branded as the A-Series.
II. Bulldozer, Radeon 7000 Series Design Elements Creep Into Fusion
Fast forward to present and AMD has big plans for Fusion. This time out AMD has scrapped its
) in favor of perfecting
, the first of its successor chips to
While the future of AMD's lighter-weight chips is uncertain, what is clear is that AMD feels that
is the perfect chip to snatch up ultrathin market share.
will pack a powerful on-die GPU, which falls somewhere between a
Radeon 6000 HD
in architecture. It will also ditch the aging K10 architecture for a leaner, enhanced 32 nm
, which came in traditional packaging,
is coming in a new ball-grid array (BGA) package, making it friendly for ultrathins.
The chip is still built on the 32 nm process and is expected to come in at 17 watts for lower clocked ultrathin models, and a 35 watt model for traditional laptops. AMD predicts 25 percent faster CPU performance and 50 percent better GPU performance, versus
Picture top to bottom:
's on-die GPU is partially derived from)
Mr. Taylor comments, "We'll be on top in battery life. We expect to be clearly, demonstratively better [results] on the visul performance of the system [versus Intel]."
I asked if AMD was worried about
, Intel's upcoming desktop and notebook chip, which will offer power-sipping performance thanks to the new
leakage-resistant 22-nm 3D FinFET transistor design
. Mr. Taylor hinted that he thinks Intel may struggle with bringing their DirectX 11 solution --
-- to market, commenting, "I understand they had a little trouble showing that at their event earlier this week."
The comment alludes to Intel's Ultrabook press conference earlier in the week where Mooly Eden was caught showing using video to
fake a demo an
playing the DirectX 11 game "Formula 1 2011". It is unclear why Intel faked the demo -- but it certainly gave competitors like AMD fodder for speculation that Intel's ambitious process plans may be hitting some speed-bumps.
Intel got caught faking a DirectX 11
demo, much to AMD's amusement.
Ultrathins Look to Outprice Intel Models by Hundreds of Dollars
AMD hints that we will see at least 18 to 22 ultrathin designs powered by
in 2012, compared to Intel's plans for up to 70 designs.
However, AMD may find its ultrathins to be more popular due to its aggressive pricing. While Intel's designs will mostly fall in the $700-$1,000 USD range, AMD is planning
based designs which will be priced at $500 USD or below.
AMD was showing off one such notebook by Taiwanese manufacturer ASUSTek Computer Inc. (
). It was playing the DirectX 11 game Dirt and unlike Intel's demo there was no fakery -- we were actually able to physically verify the that the notebook was actually running the game. AMD humorously had placed the ultrabook inside a desktop PC case, removing the side panel to reveal the glorious truth.
Much is still unknown about
, including clock designs and the finer details of the GPU core. Another big unanswered question is what the fate of AMD's TSMC-based lower end cores is, with the cancellation of
, et al. But AMD seems very confident that we will be pleased when it reveals more details in a few weeks at its February financial analysts' meeting.
Ultimately the success or failure of
will likely boil down to one factor -- availability. But given AMD isn't moving to a new process node (32 nm was used for both
) it seems like availability will likely be decently high.
AMD's comments lead us to believe that Trinity will land at roughly the same time as
did -- a June (H1/Q2 2012) launch.
In 2011 Fusion gained ground on Intel due to one factor -- price.
substantially in CPU performance, but given that it delivered
better integrated GPU performance at a lower price
, it still proved very popular. With
landing at around the same time as
, both companies appear to be sticking to their approach from the last generation.
Intel will be launching a more powerful chip, but will only be featured in pricier notebooks. AMD, meanwhile, won't be aiming at the CPU performance crown, but does look to deliver the best graphics and battery life performance in an ultrathin. And it looks to undercut Intel-based models by as much as $200 USD.
Expect big things from
in 2012. After all, if consumers are presented the choice between a $500 USD ultrabook and a $700 USD ultrabook, both of which can play most of the latest games and handle everyday productivity software (e.g. Microsoft Corp.'s (
) Office and Adobe Systems Inc.'s (
) CS5/Photoshop), which do you think consumers will pick?
IV. AMD Not Worried About ARM
Unlike ARM Holdings plc (
) and Intel, who are waging a highly public war of words regarding x86 (CISC) versus ARM (RISC), AMD is taking a softer approach, despite its support of x86.
Mr. Taylor tells us, "There's room for everyone."
The implied message is of course that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Analyst opinions vary pretty wildly on the topic of ARM. One of my fellow analysts went as far as to suggest that Intel
ARM Holdings, a rather ludicrous proposition from an antitrust perspective, alone, in my estimation. But I felt one of the bettery opinions I heard was from another analyst who stated, "2012 will be a challenging year for Intel -- you have ARM atttacking from one end and AMD from another."
This quote indeed summarizes the situation well. Intel is finding that it may be king of pure computing power per CPU core, but power, graphics, and price are proving key obstacles to its goal of global CPU hegemony.
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RE: Bobcat successor
1/16/2012 3:01:00 AM
Half agree. Atom isn't very competitive in:
Single Threaded Performance
Perf/Transistor and mm2
It is pretty competitive in
CPU performance of brazos is even more impressive when you look at it's die shot and realize just how small the CPU portion of the chip is compared to graphics.
A simple die shrunk bobcat with two more cores, and 50% more SPs would fill a niche that nobody else can hope to compete with. As you said, Atom is "competitive with Bobcat on the bottom end, other than in GPU." 28nm Bobcat designs would change that.
What exactly is Trinity going to change? AMD already has faster graphics and slower processing cores than the competition in Llano. Same will be true for Trinity. And I know for a fact that you also have the same doubt in the back of your mind -- based on Bulldozer's pathetic showing and the modest increase in IPC AMD is projecting with Piledriver -- that Trinity could very well end up with a slower CPU section than Llano.
So is it better to focus on a product that is almost definitely going to be unrivaled in it's space, or one that doesn't significantly alter your position against the competition?
RE: Bobcat successor
1/16/2012 3:51:13 AM
Sure they can compete in that sector, but that sector makes very little profit. It also uses too much power to compete with ARM/powervr. They'd basically be wasting resources that could be used stamping out more llano/trinity chips. For your average tasks on a netbook it would likely dominate, but it's like being the best of the worst. It's a wooden crown not really worth having.
RE: Bobcat successor
1/16/2012 12:01:39 PM
What does Trinity change?
It gives us discrete-class graphics in a 17W processor! That's pretty damn sweet.
My current notebook is a 3820TG, which weighs less than 4 lbs and packs a 5650M for graphics. I got it because it's thinner, lighter, faster, and has a bigger screen than than the M11x. Llano achieves almost the same performance in a single chip (and single heatsink/fan, unlike my notebook) and at a lower pricepoint, which is nice, but AFAIK there aren't any light Llano notebooks out there.
Trinity will change that. It redefines portable PC gaming.
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