Sources: 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, EFF
quote: False clause/non-sequitir. What does this have to do with preventing unregulated government spying?
quote: I fail to see how Lincoln's quote or his presidential legacy have anything directly to do with the debate at hand.
quote: You assume that they're using wiretaps responsibly because they say they are, not because you have any evidence of it (because you don't have evidence of it, because they're warrantless).
quote: Again, I've told you like three or four times in this thread, that I've never said Bush is the one to blame for this. I think I've made this abundantly clear. It dumbfounds me that you continue to misrepresent my opinion despite my persistent attempts to correct your mistake.
quote: I am personally opposed federal smoking bans/regulation and federal laws on driver distraction. The federal government doesn't need to play nanny.
quote: What? That quote is just as relevant to this discussion as the one you regurgitated up. That's all I'm saying about that.
quote: LMAO says the guy who dragged Nixon's legacy into the mix. Get a clue. Nixon didn't do what he did because of a Congressional approved "wiretap" program. In fact what Nixon did, and this issue, are so far apart that it's really a strain for you to attempt a parallel. Bugging a hotel room and tapping international phone calls are two ENTIRELY different things with different consequences.
quote: No. But inversely you're assuming that there's no probable cause in play here. And we're all just being "spied" on because..ummm, just because they can. Again, invalid argument on your part. Where's you "evidence"?
quote: You always say that, and yet you keep bringing the man up. Jason, it's now 2012. Are you a history teacher, political advocate, or a writer for a TECH website?
quote: Well that's nice, and I agree, but that doesn't change my point. YOU might feel one way, but I'm simply demonstrating how many liberties one is willing to give away for whatever reason. Some of those that are, in my opinion, FAR more crucial than this one.
quote: But my point is that warrantless federal wiretapping is dangerous because it grants the federal government sweeping new unregulated powers.
quote: Ever heard of someone named J. Edgar Hoover? Or hundreds of other examples I could recite! How about throwing 112,000 Japanese American citizens in "internment camps"? Is that in the Constitution or Bill of Rights as well?
quote: THEY HAVE ALWAYS HAD SWEEPING AND UNREGULATED POWERS. Jesus are you really this naive?!
quote: I'm not going to waste much more time debating with you
quote: You bring up a valid point that a lot of other reforms are needed to truly move America towards a more perfect union.
quote: But fighting undocumented spying on American citizens is certainly a valid cause in the context of this much broader need for reform.