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Acura NSX concept as seen in the upcoming "Avengers" movie.
Honda to deliver long awaited-NSX successor

It's likely that many enthusiasts thought this day would never come. The NSX has been long gone from Acura lineup and other vehicles aimed at enthusiasts like the Acura Integra, Honda Prelude, and Honda S2000 have been axed over the years. But Honda is now looking for a bit of redemption and announced that it will unveil a concept version of the next generation NSX at the Detroit Auto Show.
 
Although Honda isn't yet revealing powertrain details, Car and Driver states that a mid-mounted V6 engine that is paired with a hybrid system will power the new NSX. The gasoline engine will power the power the rear wheels, while an electric motor will be mounted at each front wheel. Honda is said to have developed a seven-speed dual-clutch transmission for the new NSX.
 
Honda’s 3.7-liter V6 is good for at least 300hp by itself, so we’re hoping to see more than 400hp when the electric motors are taken into account.
 
As for the styling of the vehicle, Car and Driver says that the new NSX will feature styling similar to Tony's Starks vehicle of choice in the new Avengers movie.

 
In other news, Acura also confirmed that it would debut the ILX concept sedan in January. The ILX will based on the current generation Honda Civic platform, and will offer a choice of a 2.0-liter or 2.4-liter four-cylinder engines. It will also be made available with the Civic's hyrid powertrain paired with a CVT.

The ILX will do battle in the U.S. with the Lexus HS 250h, Lexus CT 200h, and the BMW 1-Series in the luxury market. Hopefully, however, the ILX will see its sales mirror the CT 200h instead of the laggard HS 250h. The base configuration will be priced "well below $30,000" according to Inside Line.
 
"Acura has a steady cadence of exciting new models coming to market and it will all begin in Detroit," said Jeff Conrad, vice president and general manager of Acura sales and service.
 
"From the all-new Acura ILX at the gateway of the lineup to the pinnacle of performance with the Acura NSX Concept, Acura vehicles are being created for luxury customers who aspire to the highest levels of quality and value, with beautiful styling and the right balance of technology, performance and environmental responsibility."
 
Honda last teased enthusiasts with its EV-STER concept, which is an all-electric, RWD roadster.

Sources: Honda, Car and Driver, Inside Line



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RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/12/2011 8:50:10 PM , Rating: 2
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Seriously grow a pair

I'd like some Honda historian fanatic to come along and tell us why and how Honda lost their original pair. What happened? Who left? Or who came in and changed things? Or were they near or at the top too long and then rested on their laurels?

It's not limited to cars either. Motorcycle innovation has ceased. Big V-twins, everybody has a "Me-too-cycle" and little else.

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and pour your engineering heart into this


I wonder who gets paid more these days, the engineers or the marketing people.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Reclaimer77 on 12/12/2011 9:38:21 PM , Rating: 2
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I'd like some Honda historian fanatic to come along and tell us why and how Honda lost their original pair. What happened? Who left? Or who came in and changed things? Or were they near or at the top too long and then rested on their laurels?


I think it's funny how you'll attack me for being against increasing CAFE standards, but then make a post like this.

Yeah I wonder what happened to Honda and all those sports cars...hmmm. Or even sports cars in general. Man it's such a mystery. I just can't figure it out!

It's almost as if, magically for some reason, they and everyone else decided to start focusing on economy cars, hybrids, and boring sedans instead of sports cars.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/12/2011 11:43:48 PM , Rating: 2
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I think it's funny how you'll attack me for being against increasing CAFE standards, but then make a post like this.


Non-sequitur

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Yeah I wonder what happened to Honda and all those sports cars...hmmm. Or even sports cars in general. Man it's such a mystery. I just can't figure it out!

So with your logic Mazda must be ready to file for bankruptcy.

Once an extremist always an extremist.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2011 2:52:30 AM , Rating: 2
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So with your logic Mazda must be ready to file for bankruptcy.


No. How do you figure that's my logic? But aside from the Miata, consider this. Gone are the Mazdaspeed Turbo Protege's. Gone are the RX7 and RX8. "ZoomZoom" appears to have taken a serious hit as of late.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/13/2011 10:54:13 AM , Rating: 1
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"ZoomZoom" appears to have taken a serious hit as of late.

And that doesn't reflect economic changes? Maybe in an extremist's world.

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Gone are the RX7 and RX8.

Mustangs and Corvettes seem to be around. Camaros have returned. There are more engines out there in the 500+HP arena than there were at any other time. But citing the RX7 & 8 no model lasts forever. That's the grey reality in your B&W world.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2011 11:22:41 AM , Rating: 2
I love how just because I don't devote tons of time explaining the obvious, I'm "black and white". Of course economics are a force in play here, do I REALLY need to explain that?

However the economy can hardly be exclusively blamed for this. The recession only started three years ago, where we've seen a ten year plus trend in the cancelling of sports cars etc etc.

To dismiss the impact of strict emissions standards and fuel economy regulations on the sports car market, while pretending this doesn't impact the MSRP of the vehicle to the end consumer, is jackassery at it's finest.

It's like we're both arguing the same thing, but you won't admit the full economic realities of supply and demand. And then you want to call others extremist's.

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Mustangs and Corvettes seem to be around. Camaros have returned.


Two of those cars are from a company that technically failed and had to be saved from closing the doors forever Great examples there chief! The Camaro and Mustang aren't true sports cars because they come in "all show, no go" V6 trim. The V6 versions actually outsell the high HP models.

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There are more engines out there in the 500+HP arena than there were at any other time.


Horsepower ALWAYS goes up, so how is this relevant? And again you're projecting things on my statement in order to cause conflict that's not there. Where did I say high HP vehicles were just going away? However if you looked at a list of all 500+HP vehicles you would see that, aside from a few cases, you will pay a ridiculous premium for that kind of power. But this isn't exactly a high volume market to begin with, and never really has been.

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But citing the RX7 & 8


WOW I can't use examples now? Do you know what an EXAMPLE is?


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/13/2011 2:35:34 PM , Rating: 1
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WOW I can't use examples now?

Nobody said or implied any such thing. You define yourself an extremist far better than anyone else could ever accomplish.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Spuke on 12/14/2011 3:12:44 PM , Rating: 2
He might be on some issues, IMO, but I don't see it here. I do agree with him that there are increasingly less affordable sports cars on the market. They're are plenty of sports cars to choose from, just not many that are affordable. Well, not affordable to most people.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By erple2 on 12/13/2011 1:13:36 AM , Rating: 2
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Yeah I wonder what happened to Honda and all those sports cars...hmmm. Or even sports cars in general. Man it's such a mystery. I just can't figure it out!


Whatever you may think the reasons were, the reality is that it was the almighty buck. People just weren't buying sportscars any more. The reason Mazda is ditching its brilliant RX8 has little to nothin to do with CAFE standards, and almost completely has to do with people just not buying them. That's been true with almost every other manufacturer that no longer offers sports cars.

The S2000 went away due to flagging sales and increasing prices. The Prelude is gone (though it wasn't really a sports car) due to, you guessed it, poor sales. It seems the only reasonably priced sports cars these days are small cars that have sporting qualities (the anomaly seems to be the Miata).

People in the US just don't want them. Last I checked, sales of the Ford Explorer and heavier SUV's is down quite a bit, and I don't think that has anything to do with CAFE (at least, not yet). It doesn't matter what the government seems to want to enforce car companies to sell you, if people don't want to buy it, they won't.

Apparently, the almighty dollar still has a final say in what cars exist on the road today...


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2011 2:49:11 AM , Rating: 2
Did you just call the RX8 "brilliant"? Ummm...right. It was a mediocre car, period. If it was half as exciting and stylish as the RX-7, it would have been a hit.

Anyway I knew the first reply would be some person taking me out of context. I wasn't exclusively blaming CAFE. But CAFE makes it harder to manufacture sports cars because they are already expensive as hell to make in the first place. This, as you so pointed out, impacts sales because you have to charge more for the vehicle to get your margin.

As far as Honda goes, I guess you're going to claim "nobody" was buying the Integra too? Saying the Prelude had "poor sales" is bull. The last model year the sales were fairly poor, but do you have any idea how many Prelude's Honda sold!? It was an extremely popular car.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2011 2:54:46 AM , Rating: 2
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The reason Mazda is ditching its brilliant RX8 has little to nothin to do with CAFE standards


By the way, did you just make this up or didn't you see the press release?

"Mazda Motor Corp. has canceled production of its RX-8 rotary engine sports car, citing falling sales and stringent global emissions standards ."

Little to nothing to do with standards huh? Would you like to retract that statement?


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/13/2011 10:56:59 AM , Rating: 2
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Little to nothing to do with standards huh?

He specifically and clearly addressed your remarks that solely addressed CAFE standards. But hey, thanks for moving the goalpost.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2011 11:45:54 AM , Rating: 2
Yes but he was also wrong. So what's your point?


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/13/2011 2:06:47 PM , Rating: 2
By using the phrase "moving the goalposts" the answer was perfectly clear to everyone else, the point was addressing your double standards.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Spuke on 12/14/2011 3:18:59 PM , Rating: 2
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The reason Mazda is ditching its brilliant RX8 has little to nothin to do with CAFE standards, and almost completely has to do with people just not buying them. That's been true with almost every other manufacturer that no longer offers sports cars.
That's what the person said. No goal post moving needed. He was clearly incorrect.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/14/2011 8:30:56 PM , Rating: 2
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"Mazda Motor Corp. has canceled production of its RX-8 rotary engine sports car, citing falling sales and stringent global emissions standards ." Little to nothing to do with standards huh?

Going from CAFE to global emissions was the move. Your watching the wrong goalpost.


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