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Volt side impact crash
GM is going to great lengths to make Volt owners happy

GM and its extended range EV called the Volt have been under fire lately for vehicles that caught fire after crash testing. GM has so far pointed out that it hasn't received any reports of the Volt catching fire in an actual accident despite the incidences in crash testing. The drama surrounding the Volt started in the middle of November when the NHTSA conducted a side impact crash test on a Volt and then parked it in the parking lot.
 
The Volt sat there for three weeks before catching fire and burning hot enough to damage other vehicles nearby. The resulting fire after three weeks was linked to the battery packs used in the Volt and the NHTSA kicked off an investigation into the Volt. Three more Volts were obtained and out of those three subjected to the same side impact crash tests with simulated rollovers; two of them had more issues. One of the cars caught fire within seven days of the test and the other started smoking and throwing sparks immediately after the test.
 
GM has been upfront with buyers so far and has even offered loaner cars until the investigation is complete to any Volt owner that is worried about the risk of fire. GM has now sweetened the deal with GM CEO Dan Akerson saying in a recent interview that GM would purchase back any Volt from an owner that requested it. So far, none of the Volt owners has asked GM to buy their car back.
 
GM did note that out of the roughly 6,000 Volts sold it had received about 230 calls from concerned owners and that so far 33 Volt owners have asked for loaner cars. GM spokesman Selim Bingol has said, "We're going to do what it takes to make every consumer completely satisfied."
 
Despite the issues with the Volt and possibility of fire, the car still has the highest satisfaction rate in the automotive market at 93% of owners saying they would buy the car again. That is higher than the 91% satisfaction that owners of the Dodge Challenger and Porsche 911 have expressed.

GM has also noted that it will not hit its 10,000 unit mark for the Volt this year. GM has sold 6,142 Volts so far. Even with the battery fire publicity the Volt sold more than 1,108 units in November for its best month ever. The Volt is selling so well now that some in Washington are wanting to end the $7,500 tax credit the Volt offers.

Source: The Detroit News



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RE: Whatever.
By Reclaimer77 on 12/3/2011 6:13:19 PM , Rating: 2
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Who honestly believes gas will not go up in price in the future?


Everything goes up in price though. It's called inflation. However if you look at the Volt, it's initial price is so high even with subsidies that any discussion on fuel savings won't even come into play until 5+ years after purchase. The initial "40 miles on a charge" has given way to real world numbers of a more realistic 15-20. Most people simply will not be able to get around in the Volt without having to switch to the ICE.

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Personally I think the Volt will sell well because it simply has no competition, no other car on the planet can do what the Volt does right now.


Except hybrids do it better. The Prius is $20k LESS than the Volt!! Hello? It's not even a question of which technology is more efficient. Let's just say for arguments sake that fuel is $4/gal, you could buy five thousand (5,000) gallons of fuel with the price difference between the Prius and the Volt!!

The Volts real-world mileage on the battery is pitiful. Sorry but it's simply not worth the price premium, regardless of how unique the Volt is.


RE: Whatever.
By Masospaghetti on 12/4/2011 9:10:21 AM , Rating: 2
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Everything goes up in price though. It's called inflation.

Fuel is far more volatile in price than most other commodities. Are you really that naive to believe otherwise?

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However if you look at the Volt, it's initial price is so high even with subsidies that any discussion on fuel savings won't even come into play until 5+ years after purchase


As soon as you drive it off the lot and use less fuel, the savings come into play. Where is this 5+ year number coming from?

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The initial "40 miles on a charge" has given way to real world numbers of a more realistic 15-20.


The initial 40 miles of charge has given way to 35 miles, according to the EPA (which, as far as I'm concerned, is the only number that matters since its the only controlled standard). Please post evidence of your "15-20" mile claim. Anedoctal evidence is worthless.
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Most people simply will not be able to get around in the Volt without having to switch to the ICE.


Where are you getting this from? According to the BTS, between 68%-78% of commuters would use no gasoline (assuming 35 mile range). http://www.bts.gov/publications/omnistats/volume_0...

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Except hybrids do it better. The Prius is $20k LESS than the Volt!! Hello?


Prius starts at $23,640 with lower standard content. You seriously need to check your facts before posting.

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you could buy five thousand (5,000) gallons of fuel with the price difference between the Prius and the Volt!!


And lets say that gasoline is $8/gal and my commute is 30 miles. In the Volt, I use no fuel. The Prius would cost me 50 gallons a year, or $1200. In five years, the Volt would have paid for itself, even including the cost of electricity.

Before you claim this is outlandish, most of the civilized world copes with $8/gal fuel. Us Americans have had it super easy for a really long time in that regard.

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The Volts real-world mileage on the battery is pitiful.


Maybe by your twisted view of the world, where facts have no meaning.


RE: Whatever.
By Reclaimer77 on 12/4/2011 3:25:13 PM , Rating: 1
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Fuel is far more volatile in price than most other commodities. Are you really that naive to believe otherwise?


The Volt doesn't run on unicorn farts and air. Do you even pay your power bill or do your parents? Electricity rates are absolutely SOARING while gas is actually on a downward trend. My electricity company has gone up 23% this year alone, and they service millions of people.

So yes, fuel does and probably will go up in the future. But don't dilute yourself into thinking buying the Volt somehow exempts you from market forces and paying for energy. You're simply switching from one volatile commodity to another. And right now electricity is FAR more volatile than petroleum.

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As soon as you drive it off the lot and use less fuel, the savings come into play.


Again, there is no savings. You've switched from buying gas to buying electricity AND gas.

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Prius starts at $23,640 with lower standard content. You seriously need to check your facts before posting.


I see your subtracting the $7,000 from the cost of a Volt. Vehicle cost is vehicle cost, just because the Government is helping foot the bill doesn't mean that price is magically less. And again, even with the subsidy you're looking at a $40k car!

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Maybe by your twisted view of the world, where facts have no meaning.


Excuse me but Car&Driver says about the Volt: "Expensive, heavy, not-great economy when running on gas" So I guess they have a twisted view of the world too?

Come back when you're ready to be realistic. I understand you're in favor of the vehicle, but simply trying to bulldoze away all criticism isn't going to make the "facts" work for you.


RE: Whatever.
By Masospaghetti on 12/4/2011 4:13:25 PM , Rating: 3
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The Volt doesn't run on unicorn farts and air. Do you even pay your power bill or do your parents? Electricity rates are absolutely SOARING while gas is actually on a downward trend. My electricity company has gone up 23% this year alone, and they service millions of people.


Gasoline was over $6.00 during the shortages in 2005. Prices were $1.83 in November 2008; by February 2011, it was $3.15. It peaked over $4.00 during the summer and now is down to $3.20. Electricity is nowhere near this volatile. Nice personal jab, btw. I would have expected nothing less from someone so clueless.

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Again, there is no savings. You've switched from buying gas to buying electricity AND gas.


Reclaimer, do some math. Nationwide average electricity rate is 0.12/kilowatt hour. At 35 miles/8 kilowatt hours, that's $0.96 for 35 miles. Assuming 20% charging loss, that's still $1.15. How far is a Prius going to go on $1.15? At 50 MPG, not even 15 miles. Obviously this is for electric only operation but that's the point of the Volt to begin with, to be used primarily as a commuter and still have ultimate flexibility.

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I see your subtracting the $7,000 from the cost of a Volt. Vehicle cost is vehicle cost, just because the Government is helping foot the bill doesn't mean that price is magically less. And again, even with the subsidy you're looking at a $40k car!


As I said, check your facts.

Prius: $23,640 (www.toyota.com)
Volt: $39,145 (www.chevy.com) BEFORE tax credit.

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Excuse me but Car&Driver says about the Volt: "Expensive, heavy, not-great economy when running on gas" So I guess they have a twisted view of the world too?


You leave out C&D's verdict: The ideal, near-term EV solution. Good job cherry-picking their quotes out of context.

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Come back when you're ready to be realistic. I understand you're in favor of the vehicle, but simply trying to bulldoze away all criticism isn't going to make the "facts" work for you.


You were blatantly wrong on every point you just posted and yet you think that I'm unrealistic. Ironic.


RE: Whatever.
By Reclaimer77 on 12/4/2011 5:31:37 PM , Rating: 1
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Electricity is nowhere near this volatile.


No instead of gas which goes up then down again, electricity ONLY goes up. And what do you think is going to happen to the grid and electricity rates if hundreds of thousands of EV's are added to it?

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Prius: $23,640 (www.toyota.com) Volt: $39,145 (www.chevy.com) BEFORE tax credit.


Dude you're still talking about 16,000 bucks! Okay I was a measly 4k off. You really don't get my point? Studies show most people only own a car for 5 years anyway. You will NOT make up 16 grand worth of savings by buying a Volt!

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You were blatantly wrong on every point


No, you just don't get it. EV's are NOT the Golden Path.


RE: Whatever.
By YashBudini on 12/4/2011 5:41:35 PM , Rating: 2
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Good job cherry-picking their quotes out of context.

He's learning from the masters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MjRV-UTs9o


RE: Whatever.
By Reclaimer77 on 12/4/11, Rating: 0
RE: Whatever.
By YashBudini on 12/4/2011 7:26:34 PM , Rating: 2
Speaking of forced attempts, when did I ever saying anything positive about a Chevy?


RE: Whatever.
By Masospaghetti on 12/5/2011 9:35:22 AM , Rating: 2
This is my last post here, since nobody else cares about our argument. But let's recap.

You said electricity is more "volatile" then gasoline. Then you said gasoline goes up and down, and electricity just goes up. That makes gasoline more volatile.

You said the Volt gets 15-20 miles per charge and has "pitiful" range, and most people would have to use the ICE. No evidence to back up either claim. EPA rates the car at 35 miles per charge.

You said the Prius is $20k less then the Volt. Wrong here. It's $15,505 less before rebates.

You said fuel savings won't begin to accumulate until 5 years after the purchase. This makes no sense.

You accuse me of leaching off my parents, and yet complain about personal attacks against yourself.

You say the Volt uses electricity and thus saves no money, and I already proved incorrect using national average electricity rates.

You said the Volt costs $40,000 after rebate, when it actually costs $31k after rebate.

You take C&D's quote out of context when they are actually strongly in favor of the car.

You accuse me of "flat out lying" and yet post no evidence of me doing so.

What kills me, Reclaimer, is not that we have different viewpoints. It's that you're obviously intelligent enough to think for yourself, and yet you choose to ignore the facts and remain ignorant.


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