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Canalys is including iPad sales in its estimates

A new study predicts that Apple will become the leading global PC provider by the second half of 2012.

Canalys, an independent analyst house that offers smart market insights to IT, expects Apple to surpass Hewlett-Packard to become the top global PC vendor before the second half of 2012 with help from the iPad 3.

"Apple has seen its PC market share expand from 9 percent to 15 percent in just four quarters, though iPad shipments in its core market -- the United States -- are likely to come under pressure in Q4 due to the launch of the Fire and Nook at extremely competitive price points," said Tim Coulling, Canalys analyst. "HP and Apple will fight for top position in Q4, but Apple may have to wait for the release of iPad 3 before it passes HP."

Apple iPad 2

According to Canalys' predictions, Apple has already made its way into the No. 2 spot in the worldwide PC market in Q3 2011 largely due to the success of the iPad. Canalys expects full-year 2011 global PC shipments to hit 415 million mainly due to heightened iPad sales.

In addition, iPad shipments are expected to hit 59 million units by the end of 2011 with Q4 accounting for 22 million alone.

Canalys predicts that North America PC shipments will reach 103 million for 2011 entirely, with 32 million units accounting for Q4 alone. The popularity of pads has increased 2011 volumes, growing 18 percent year-on-year. The EMEA PC market, however, will contract 6 percent at an annual rate (excluding pads).

Apple MacBook Air

The study also noted that netbooks have helped with 2011 PC growth, with shipments expected to reach 211 million with a 10 percent year-on-year increase. Ultrabooks, on the other hand, need a significant price drop in order to increase adoption.

Canalys says Apple's domination is due to competitor's inability to "produce comparable devices at attractive prices."

Source: Canalys

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By Brandon Hill on 11/21/2011 12:24:46 PM , Rating: 4
I thought that Steve Jobs said that the iPad was "post PC"...

Interesting how these firms are now lumping the iPad in to pad the numbers.

RE: Hmmm...
By lightfoot on 11/21/2011 1:03:31 PM , Rating: 5
You know the old saying:

"If you can't beat them, move the goalposts."

RE: Hmmm...
By GulWestfale on 11/21/2011 7:19:24 PM , Rating: 1
but the ipad isn't a PC... the Mac is barely a PC. wtf?

RE: Hmmm...
By Samus on 11/21/2011 11:59:45 PM , Rating: 2
Might as well include Cell phones and iPods while your at it. I don't see people doing research projects, school papers, and accounting on their iPad's, so its far from being a substitute or replacement to the PC.

It's just a toy. All tablets are just toys.

RE: Hmmm...
By Wolfpup on 12/19/2011 10:46:09 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I don't think something that's not even an open (iOS) platform is a PC. Not to mention, why stop at the iPad? If the iPad counts, the iPod and iPhone certainly count too...

RE: Hmmm...
By nafhan on 11/21/2011 1:37:11 PM , Rating: 3
PC's for people who never really needed PC's in the first place...

RE: Hmmm...
By MrBlastman on 11/21/2011 2:06:04 PM , Rating: 4
I think it is disgusting that they consider the Ipad a PC.

Closed platform? -- Check
Lack of adequate, tactile UI devices (i.e. keyboard) -- Check
Inability to upgrade/customize hardware -- Check

Sorry, the iPad fails the PC test. A recreational device it most definitely is but a PC it wholeheartedly is not.

RE: Hmmm...
By Tony Swash on 11/21/11, Rating: 0
RE: Hmmm...
By Master Kenobi on 11/21/2011 8:17:38 PM , Rating: 3
Well given your rather small requirement list, why not call an iPhone a PC as well? I mean if you get right down to it the iPad is nothing but the iPhone enlarged a few times over.

PC is going to be more about a specific form factor in the long run and lets face it a Tablet is a specific form factor, a cell phone is a form factor, a PC has several form factors itself. Server, Workstation/Desktop, and Laptop. I don't consider Netbooks a true form factor but rather a smaller cheaper Laptop, they utilize the same format.

I will have to disagree with your assessment that the technology has changed the definition of what is accepted as a PC. What they have tried to do here is combine several market segments into one and call it good.

Calling an iPad a PC is like calling a golf cart a sedan.

RE: Hmmm...
By sigmatau on 11/21/2011 9:17:16 PM , Rating: 2
I was going to say the same thing.

My Android phone can do more than the Ipad can so it must be a PC too?

RE: Hmmm...
By MrBlastman on 11/21/2011 10:59:50 PM , Rating: 2
Can you run a high end flight simulator on an iPad where:

You export instruments and devices in-sim to multiple PC's to distribute the load and then display/control those devices on those respective machines in a full-blown homebuilt cockpit--i.e. MFD's, HUD, Gauges?

You plug in multiple--I mean a LOT of external I/O devices into the iPad such as a homebuilt cockpit with multiple panels each containing many switches/buttons/levers/throttles/sticks/pedals/spe akers/microphones/head tracking devices etc.?

Load these homebrewed/modified/modded simulators onto the iPad without an app store--completely outside the control of a parent body?

Develop applications on it using the standard input devices designed for it? (i.e. in the iPad's case, just the glass based keyboard)


You can't do any of the above. The iPad completely fails at being a PC. It isn't one.

RE: Hmmm...
By Urbanmech on 11/21/2011 11:36:00 PM , Rating: 2
See, you are the minority here.

My mom for example, has no interest in any of that, email and internet is what she wants, and tablets do everything that she needs.

Yes, a dedicated PC is wonderful for those who really want to take advantage of the possibilities, but we are a small number compared to those who just want a basic internet machine. They use a computer all day at work, and have very little interest in spending their home time on one.

RE: Hmmm...
By bupkus on 11/22/2011 3:37:18 AM , Rating: 2
Tablets: PC's for people who never really needed PC's in the first place...
See previous post.

RE: Hmmm...
By Reclaimer77 on 11/22/2011 11:54:06 AM , Rating: 1
See, you are the minority here.

No YOU are. The majority of people are NOT exclusively using iPad's for everything and calling it a PC.

My mom for example, has no interest in any of that, email and internet is what she wants, and tablets do everything that she needs.

A $200 eMachines from Wal-Mart can do email and internet and MORE than an iPad while still costing less. So I'm not sure what you're on about here. Love the "mom" example though lmao. Like that's relevant.

They use a computer all day at work, and have very little interest in spending their home time on one.

So the iPad isn't a PC! Ah ha, you just said it right here in this quote. When they come home from a long day of using a "computer", they want to use something that isn't one.

RE: Hmmm...
By drycrust3 on 11/21/2011 2:35:49 PM , Rating: 2
I totally agree. This article lacks definition. It calls any computer a "PC", it doesn't regard a "PC" as an i86 type CPU using an IBM BIOS variant motherboard with a separate monitor, keyboard, mouse, and computer with a rotating disk HDD.
It is pretty obvious they have lumped iPads into this, but iPads don't run Flash! How can you call an iPad a "PC"? Even my 10 year old Compaq 32 bit single core 2 x 40 GB HDD computer upstairs using Ubuntu can run Flash!
In one sense, they are right, HP will probably not supply as many desktops and laptops as this year, and that is because they threw away the good work of Hurd and others and decided to chase after a mirage, but equally Apple probably won't ship as many of their pre-iPad notebooks and desktop computers as well.

RE: Hmmm...
By luseferous on 11/21/11, Rating: 0
RE: Hmmm...
By anactoraaron on 11/21/2011 4:50:03 PM , Rating: 2
Not really. When I go into Best Buy/Walmart/Fry's etc. and ask them to show me their selection of "personal computers" they will most definitely NOT take me to their 'tablets' section.

Tablets are nothing more than media consumption/limited gaming devices. I think more of "personal computer" as something that will be more productive. Show me a tablet that will run Full Photoshop 5.5 and I will change my opinion.

RE: Hmmm...
By luseferous on 11/21/2011 7:17:41 PM , Rating: 2
Thats why I called it a very limited and not very good computer.

I don't care if its made of bits of string and chewing gum and powered by a hamster wheel. If it computes its a computer.

If it was designed for personal use/ownership then its a Personal Computer.

Same goes for many other devices that are not regarded as computers. PC does not equal a Intel/AMD/Micorsoft based device. They are just the most prominent examples of Pc's and so people assume that is the definition.

RE: Hmmm...
By TheRealArdrid on 11/21/2011 8:07:19 PM , Rating: 2
Then, by that definition, almost every CE company (Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, etc.) should be on that list.

RE: Hmmm...
By luseferous on 11/21/2011 8:21:23 PM , Rating: 2
yep :)

RE: Hmmm...
By luseferous on 11/21/2011 8:25:19 PM , Rating: 2
you could make a distinction between general purpose PC's and more single function PC's but even that line is pretty blurry.

RE: Hmmm...
By Reclaimer77 on 11/21/2011 10:32:53 PM , Rating: 1
Thats why I called it a very limited and not very good computer.

Then shit so is my old ass PDA. It's a personal computer too, just not a very good one!

Sorry but you guys are full of it. A pad is not a PC, end of discussion.

If it was designed for personal use/ownership then its a Personal Computer.

That's the most open ended generic "definition" of the term ever. Ever. I guess my freaking digital camera is a PC too!

I think it's clear that "PC" needs to be broken into standard desktop and "mobile" computing brackets. I'm fine with scoring iPads as mobile computing. But to call it a PC, and claiming they had a 241% jump in "pc" sales in one year, is marketing/statistical bullcrap. This is simply Apple, who's entire history of pc marketshare has been abysmal, moving the goalposts.

RE: Hmmm...
By luseferous on 11/22/2011 9:53:16 AM , Rating: 2
That's the most open ended generic "definition" of the term ever. Ever. I guess my freaking digital camera is a PC too!

Exactly! The term Pc is a very generic and open definition. Its not my definition its the accepted one.

If you want to say the Ipad is not a desktop form factor Pc with a monitor and keyboard then no argument from me. But saying its not a computer is just silly.

Love them or hate them they fit every definition of PC that I can think of.

RE: Hmmm...
By Reclaimer77 on 11/22/2011 11:45:40 AM , Rating: 1
The term Pc is a very generic and open definition.

Except it's not. The term itself might be "generic", but the items it's in reference to have always been of a specific type and form factor.

The term water heater is pretty generic too. But when you think of "water heater" do you think of the standard cylinder shaped tank heaters we use today, or do you think of an iron pot over a fire? I mean hey, the iron pot is technically a "water heater" too! But umm, yeah, you get the point.

RE: Hmmm...
By Helbore on 11/22/2011 8:04:45 AM , Rating: 2
I have an old calculator that fits that description. Heck, I used to have a digital watch that fits that description!

It probably describes my car, too.

RE: Hmmm...
By luseferous on 11/22/2011 9:29:46 AM , Rating: 1
Okay then please define why an Ipad is not a computer ?

Is it because it can't run the latest photoshop ?
A 386/486/pentium1 would not be able to do that are they computers ?
Is it because it lacks a hard disk ?

What about a tablet running windows 7 or 8 or a diskless workstation are they not computers?

Is it because its got a closed Operating system ?
So would it be a computer if you could put Windows or Linux on it ?

And to those making silly comments about calculators etc...
YES they are. They have A CPU, RAM, An O/S of sorts so of course they are computers.

So please define a computer and then tell me why the Ipad is not one or an Xbox or a Nintendo DS etc.

RE: Hmmm...
By jonmcc33 on 11/21/2011 2:37:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, the iPad is in no way a PC. iPads don't even sell near the number that PCs do anyway.

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