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The U.S. still gets manual 6-speed option

Much of the sports car world today is moving away from the manual transmissions that driving purists and many drivers prefer to semi-automatic transmissions. The reasons for moving to a semi-automatic transmission are compelling and include faster gear changes, better fuel economy, and the ability to go full auto when you’re feeling lazy or plodding around in bumper-to-bumper traffic.
The downside is that part of the thrill of driving fast for many enthusiasts is working the shifter and clutch to perfection. But in the end, there’s no real right or wrong way to shift gears when it comes to modern automobiles. However, the ire of drivers comes in when their choice in gearbox is taken away.
Audi S5 

Fourtitude is reporting that Audi has killed the manual transmission option in its revamped S4 and S5 range of sporty cars in Europe. While Europe has to give up those 6-speed manual cars, the U.S. (land of the automatic transmission) is getting to keep its manual transmission. Audi is going to the S-tronic transmissions exclusively in Europe likely due to the faster shifting and better fuel economy.
The confirmation of the death of 6-speed S4 and S5 Audi's came by way of Audi's own Barry Hoch, the product planning manager of the S4 and S5 lines. Hoch emailed Fourtitude and wrote:
They (Europe) lose the manual. We keep the manual! 100% confirmed, although I don't know what other markets also get to keep it. I don't want to fear for my life when I leave the office. The manual transmission enthusiasts are... umm... passionate individuals. Save the Manuals!
This is the first time that the U.S. has had a transmission option that Europe didn’t get according to Fourtitude

Source: Fourtitude

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RE: Manual is so common in EU we don't care
By Spuke on 11/10/2011 1:37:42 PM , Rating: 2
Simplicity of manuals? They're more complicated.
No they're not. They're simple as hell. Never worked on a DCT but I have worked on both standard autos and manuals. Manuals are an order of magnitude simpler.

RE: Manual is so common in EU we don't care
By Keeir on 11/10/2011 2:28:48 PM , Rating: 3
I think he means, simplicity of use. Nothing more simple than a slush box really...

DCTs (the ones I've seen) are between a Manual and a Slush Box in terms of complexity to work on. More moving parts than a normal manual, but they more seperated out than on most slush boxes.

RE: Manual is so common in EU we don't care
By Spuke on 11/10/2011 4:10:15 PM , Rating: 1
I think he means, simplicity of use. Nothing more simple than a slush box really...
Then he can clarify that himself.

RE: Manual is so common in EU we don't care
By Keeir on 11/10/2011 4:21:41 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting double standard.

I was unaware the article mentioned repairability of transmissions at any point, though it did discuss use of transmission.

Even though I disapprove of Audi dropping the Manual Option from "Sports" series cars, DCT is vastly simpler to use than standard manual. Apparently people in Europe buying the S4/S5 don't want to operate a manual in a "sporty" way...

RE: Manual is so common in EU we don't care
By Spuke on 11/10/2011 6:29:27 PM , Rating: 1
Interesting double standard.
What double standard? Do you do this at home (make sh!t up)? It's not up to US to clarify someone else's assertions, it's up to that individual. My post stands until he decides he wants clarify himself. And with his silence, I'm willing to bet the original implications are correct.

Secondly, I have no problems with DCT's, autos, or manuals. Everyone is free to choose whatever transmission goes in THEIR car.

RE: Manual is so common in EU we don't care
By Samus on 11/11/2011 2:26:16 PM , Rating: 3
Having rebuilt my own Tremec World-Class T5 manual gearbox in my Mustang, something I never thought I was capable of, I can tell you first-hand that manual transmissions are amazingly simple.

Manuals hold 2 quarts of gear oil, have no vacuum/electronic connections, no cooling lines/radiator, no torque converter, no valve body, no pumps, no filters, and are half the weight of an automatic.

The rebuild kit was $150 and took about 6 hours start-to-finish in my garage. If I remember right it was only 30 pieces, mostly synchronizers (brass rings that go between the gears) and bearings. There were no bands or complicated fluid-veins, weight balls, springs, and other ridiculousness to replace.

DCT transmissions are incredibly complicated, and have not proven to be as reliable as either traditional manuals or slushbox-automatics. A good clutch operator will at least match the lifespan of a DCT transmission's clutchpack (100,000-150,000 miles) and the cost to replace the clutch in a traditional transmission is about 4 hours of work (maximum) and $400 parts. DCT's, on the other hand...VW charges $2000 for the clutchpack and $7000 for the electronics, should those malfunction and need replacing. Servo's and solenoids don't last forever....

By Spuke on 11/12/2011 1:05:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yet we get rated down for telling the truth. This rating system blows ass. There now you have a reason to rate me down.

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