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Karma is too heavy for sipping fuel

The official EPA numbers came out recently for the Fisker Karma and they were much, much lower than many expected. The EPA rated the Karma at a scant 20 mpg on gasoline. Considering the car was supposed to be a green hybrid, it's rating is disappointing, especially when you think that other hybrids of the size can achieve much better numbers. The all-electric (battery) range is rated at 32 miles for a combined 56 mpg-e.
 
If you were wondering why a car with a hybrid power plant was rated so low on gasoline power, it’s due to the massive weight of the Karma. The Karma has a curb weight of 5,300 pounds. Most of the weight is due to the heavy and expensive lithium-ion battery pack that motivates the Karma in electric mode.

The Fisker Karma weighs nearly as much as an 8-passenger Ford Expedition 

With the low economy rating of the Karma and the fact that Fisker was one of the green firms that was loaned $529 million in federal funds, some are afraid it will be the next Solyndra. Solyndra is the solar firm that went under after receiving Federal funds for operation. While the EPA thinks its numbers for the Karma are accurate, Henrik Fisker thinks that drivers will see a better driving range.
 
Fisker said, "We firmly believe that most owners will get up to 50 miles of driving range on a single charge, and will use our electric-only mode most of the time they drive the car."
 
Much of the Karma is already made from aluminum, so the place to save weight is going to be the battery pack. This will be something that happens in the future as battery technology improves. Another choice would be going to lighter and more exotic materials for the construction like carbon fiber.
 
The problem is that the Karma is already priced at about $96,000 and moving to exotic materials would only drive that cost up. So far 1,300 people have placed deposits on the Karma


Fisker Karma

Source: Plugincars



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RE: Misleading Article
By Dr of crap on 10/25/2011 3:12:28 PM , Rating: 2
If you can afford this car why not get the Tesla?
It will blow the pants off this car and NOT USE GAS at all.

OR any hybrid from the more expensive brands would be better than this over priced gas hog. Yes gas hog.

The 1300 that have reserved a car already are fools and you know what they say about them and their money!


RE: Misleading Article
By Keeir on 10/25/2011 4:26:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you can afford this car why not get the Tesla?


Tesla is limited to the range of the BEV. Thats the truth. It probably is not an issue for someone who can afford 100k car.

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OR any hybrid from the more expensive brands would be better than this over priced gas hog.


Really? Give me an example. The Porsche Panamera Hybrid costs ~95K.

But unless you are traveling more than 50 miles a day constantly, the Karma uses less energy, less fossil fuels, less imported oil, AND costs less to run.

Absolutely must remember than the first 32 miles are electric.


RE: Misleading Article
By Spuke on 10/25/2011 5:24:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Tesla is limited to the range of the BEV. Thats the truth. It probably is not an issue for someone who can afford 100k car.
Didn't you make an argument against using the Karma past its EV range?


RE: Misleading Article
By Keeir on 10/25/2011 5:53:19 PM , Rating: 2
There is a big deal between

160 miles --> 24 hour recharge --> 80 miles maximum radius
30 miles --> 10 minute recharge --> infinate maximum range, 15 mile recommended radius

The Karma (like the Volt) gives you the ability to use electric for daily driving but retain the ability to drive long distances in an emergency. A Roadster/Leaf gives you the ability to cover significantly more ground via electricity, but there is a maximum amount you can drive without significant time penalties.

The Karma/Volt is for someone who drives 25-50 miles a day who needs to flexibility to be able to drive 1,000 miles in a day at the drop of a hat. The Roadster/Leaf is for someone who drives less than 150 miles a day who doesn't mind having to call/wait for/arrange other transportation in emergency situations.

I admit that most people who can afford a 95K+ car likely own multiple cars and/or have the type of money to pay for emergency service.


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