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Fisker Karma plug-in hybrid
Fisker says "range varies greatly on the conditions of the road and how you drive the car"

Fisker Automotive's range-extended plug-in hybrid, the Fisker Karma, has received a lower-than-expected EPA rating that falls below the likes of the Chevrolet Volt and the 2012 Toyota Prius Plug-In.

Over the past few years, Fisker Automotive has claimed that its $96,000 Fisker Karma would receive 50 miles of all-electric range. But the official EPA rating has been released, and it says otherwise.

The EPA rated the Fisker Karma at 52 mpg-equivalent (mpg-e) for combined city and highway driving. This means 32 miles of all-electric range and 20 mpg when the gasoline engine takes over.

Fisker Karma

"As with all electric vehicles, range varies greatly on the conditions of the road and how you drive the car," said Fisker in a statement after the EPA ratings were released. "Overall, we are very pleased with the results of the EPA's tests."

Fisker added that the Karma's 52 mpg-e is not far off from the 54 mpg fleet average that the Obama administration expects in 2025, which is still 14 years away.

In comparison, the 2012 Chevrolet Volt has a price tag of $39,995 and an EPA rating of 93 mpg-e with a 37-mile all-electric range, and 37 mpg with the gasoline engine. The 2012 Toyota Prius Plug-In is priced at $32,760 with an expected 87 mpg-e.

Fisker Karma production kicked off in March 2011, and by July, it was reported that Fisker had 3,000 Karma orders and sold out until early 2012. The Karma runs off batteries, and once depleted, it uses a 2-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine to recharge the batteries and run for an extended range.

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Source: Inside Line

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RE: 20 mpg is pathetic
By FITCamaro on 10/20/2011 8:08:54 PM , Rating: 2
20 mpg combined is even more pathetic with a 4 cylinder engine. Especially at that price.

That means in the city it gets worse than 20 mpg. What is its numbers? 16 and 24? 15 and 25? Oh goody. Roughly the same numbers as a 505 hp Z06 Corvette.

RE: 20 mpg is pathetic
By Keeir on 10/21/2011 5:02:24 AM , Rating: 2
Sigh... alright. One more time.

I just went to and looked a 2012 Corvettes.

The Z06? It gets a combined number of 17.

Why don't you just admit that you hate the Karma and accept that you can't even think rationally about it. Karma fuel economy is disappointing, but not low given its class of car. Its also the second most environmental ultra luxury car after the Tesla Roadster.

Each person who buys a Karma over a Panamera is reducing our dependence on foreign oil while promoting investing in American Power companies and American Fossil Fuels... all while having significantly lower running costs. Not really sure why you have such a hatred for this car... it pretty much wins on every front except for the 7,500 tax credit... which it really doesn't need (I think that credit should have been written to exclude all cars over 50,000 personally).

RE: 20 mpg is pathetic
By FITCamaro on 10/21/2011 1:08:09 PM , Rating: 1
No I don't hate the Karma. I don't care if people buy it.

I'm saying for $57,000, I wouldn't buy a car that gets under 30 mpg when it only has a 2.0L engine and is supposedly "environmentally friendly".

Now I do hate though that the tax payer helped front over $500 million dollars for this thing and its not even going to be built here like the administration claimed and bragged about to justify the loan. All so wealthier people can buy a fancy electric car that gets shitty mileage and still feel good about themselves.

RE: 20 mpg is pathetic
By Keeir on 10/21/2011 2:35:00 PM , Rating: 2
So many wrongs.

#1. The Fisker Karma is a 95,000+ dollar car. The forthcoming Tesla Model S is rumored to start at 57,000.

#2. The Government loan was for Project Nina. A car that will be built in the USA in Delaware. Project Nina will be a 3/5 series compeditor and is rumored to use the same engine as the BMW 528i. I repeat, the Fisker Karma is NOT Project Nina. Similiar to Tesla, Fisker is first producing an Ultra Lux Car, then a Luxury Sedan, and then normal Sedan. The concept in both cases is by the time the normal sedan is being developed, costs and efficienies will rise.

#3. No, the Karma travels 30+ miles at 65 kWh/100 miles. Only if exceeding 30 miles from the large recharge would the "20" MPG come into play.

If you personally travel farther than 30 miles between recharge often, then the Fisker Karma is obviously not the right choice for you.

In any Plug-In Series Hybrid Concept the ICE is there for emergency use, long term travel use, etc. A Plug-In Series Hybrid is not for the traveling salesman. Its a replacement for the 75%+ of automobiles that rarely leave a 30 miles radius of thier garage location.

A simple question FIT. How much range would an electric car need to have before you would use it as Primary Car? How much range would the same car need to have if it had an emergency backup that could convert easily available fuels into electricity? I am guess the answer the first is 300+ miles and the answer to the second is about 5-10 miles further than your roundtrip to work. That's a HUGE differen ce in required battery size.... in essense a 100 mile AER PHEV with a backup will be cheaper than a 300 miles BEV.... and 3! 100 mile AER PHEV can be built with the same amount of battery material. Thats the point of the Karma. It allows for 2-3 Karma's to be built using essentially the same resources as a single Tesla Roadster.

RE: 20 mpg is pathetic
By FITCamaro on 10/21/2011 1:16:08 PM , Rating: 2
What is this going on combined numbers thing either? Also its 18 combined on that website.

I don't pay attention to a supposed combined number, I look at city and highway fuel economy. 15 city and 24 highway on a Z06. To me that averages to 19.5.

Damn good for a 505hp 7.0L V8. And my friend who actually has one gets 27 mpg in his at 80 mph.

RE: 20 mpg is pathetic
By Keeir on 10/21/2011 2:46:05 PM , Rating: 2
I don't pay attention to a supposed combined number, I look at city and highway fuel economy. 15 city and 24 highway on a Z06. To me that averages to 19.5.

Then don't pay attention to the 20 rating for the Karma. Its the combined number after all.

So what you friend gets X MPG. Maybe you friend would get 30 MPG in the Karma at 80 mph! Who knows until your friend drives the Karma for 3,000-4,000 miles.

Hell, I get 28 MPG combined at the pump from my car thats EPA rated combined at 22 MPG... and up to 34 MPG highway. That really doesn't matter since you have to drive like me, in my location, and in my temparture zone to get that MPG.

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