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E85 will be much more expensive than normal fuels without a new tax credit according to the coalition

The tax rebate on ethanol fuels is set to expire at the end of this year. This will vanquish the tax credit that allowed ethanol producers in the U.S. to export as much or more of the fuel to other countries than was used in American fuel tanks. Steven Rattner stated in a piece written for the NYT, “Because of the subsidy, ethanol became cheaper than gasoline, and so we sent 397 million gallons of ethanol overseas last year. America is simultaneously importing costly foreign oil and subsidizing the export of its equivalent.”
 
That exporting of ethanol is one of the reasons the tax break on ethanol is ending.
 
With the deadline looming for the tax credit, a coalition is forming to get federal tax law amended to allow E85 to get a tax cut. The new group will be called the Coalition for E85 and it is specific in that it isn't out to get the tax credit back for E10. The coalition will let that tax expire with no fight from its members, but it wants the E85 blend to gain a new tax cut or the coalition warns the days of E85 might be numbered.
 
The blenders that make E10 fuel that is in wide use, and is a mix of 10% ethanol and 90% unleaded are getting a 4.5-cent-per-gallon tax credit. E85 is getting a credit of 38.25 cents per gallon under the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit or VEECT. This is the tax that expires in December.
 
What the coalition is seeking is a change that would allow the E85 blend to receive the Alternative Fuel Credit (AFC). E85 was excluded from the AFC originally to keep it from being able to qualify for both the VEECT and the AFC credits. With the VEETC being discontinued, the makers want E85 to now get the AFC credit to allow the E85 fuel to maintain closer price parity with normal fuels for consumers that drive Flexi Fuel Vehicles. Flexi Fuel Vehicles or FFVs are able to burn regular gasoline and E85.
 
The coalition is trying to raise $75,000 to hire a Washington lobby group to speak on its behalf.

Source: Platts



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So......
By tng on 10/18/2011 2:03:16 PM , Rating: 2
My mileage will go down with E85?

I have noticed wild swings in my mileage with a 99 Honda Civic. I had blamed it on my driving, but there have been a couple of times over the last 2 years where I got 55+ MPG and could not explain why.

My last trip to see family I found a station that sold gas with no ethanol for RV's and even though it was a buck a gallon more, I tried it and found that I got 60MPG on that tank.

Isn't this getting a bit out of hand? I have to be creating more pollution at 35 MPG than 60 MPG. Right?




RE: So......
By Gurthang on 10/18/2011 2:26:23 PM , Rating: 2
Well, my understanding for E10 and such was that it actually does help with emissions though initially this was all done in the US to reduce the likelyhood of yet another "fuel crisis".

The one I have not heard of until reciently was hE15 which is 15% ethanol which still has about 4% water content. The claim is that this additional water "injection" in the fuel (less than 1% of the total fuel volume) actually helps combustion efficency (better MPG) and reduces one of the major costs of ethanol production (distillation) and thus the cost of hE15 fuel. Call me a skeptic but I can't help but think this is not all sunshine and rainbows it is being made out to be.


RE: So......
By kjboughton on 10/18/2011 2:35:11 PM , Rating: 4
Shocking (can you sense my sarcasm?)

The energy content (per unit volume) of ethanol is less than that of pure gasoline.

Ethanol: ~75,000 BTU/gal
Gasoline: ~115,000 BTU/gal or ~150% that of ethanol

E10 is essentially diluted gasoline. Since cutting gas with water is problematic, it's cut with ethanol. The effect is similar....you're paying more for less energy content.

The idea that you can move a vehicle, of some mass, from point A to point B, using a fuel with a lower energy content per unit volume than gasoline, by filling a tank of a given, known volume with said alternative fuel, and expect to achieve the same fuel economy (measured in miles per gallon) is absolutely absurd. Of course you should expect to see a lower fuel economy. Energy content per gallon is less, therefore more fuel is required to do the same amount of work (same vehicle, same mass, same distance...same work).

In conclusion, if you want the best mileage (per unit volume of fuel), you need to fill up with 100% gasoline. Not this E10 (or E15 now) you find being sold as "gasoline."

This fraud has be perpetuated on the public at large and is defensible only because the pumps dispensing this gasoline/ethanol "blend" usually display a sticker noting that the gasoline you are pumping may contain "up to 10% ethanol" (etc).

This is akin to adding 10% by volume water to a gallon a milk, charging more (or the same), and then continuing to claim by packaging that you are selling the contents as "milk." No, you're selling diluted milk.


RE: So......
By NovoRei on 10/18/2011 9:13:48 PM , Rating: 2
But its green and come from the plants, cant you see how green and friendly its??...

E85 should give ~25% less mileage on a Flex vehicle.

E10 less than 10% on normal vehicles.


RE: So......
By Masospaghetti on 10/18/2011 2:41:12 PM , Rating: 2
Why do I find it hard to believe that you get 60 mpg (or even 55 mpg) out of a 99 Civic?

Doesn't hold a candle to my 75 mpg Explorer though...


RE: So......
By Hiawa23 on 10/18/2011 3:05:44 PM , Rating: 2
Why do I find it hard to believe that you get 60 mpg (or even 55 mpg) out of a 99 Civic?

Doesn't hold a candle to my 75 mpg Explorer though...


I find it hard to believe. I have a 97 Honda Civic DX that gets over 30 with 225, 000 miles on it but 55-60 is not believeable at all


RE: So......
By tng on 10/18/2011 7:18:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I have a 97 Honda Civic DX that gets over 30 with 225, 000 miles on it but 55-60 is not believeable at all
I found it hard to believe as well.

I had just gotten the dashboard replaced and thought that the fuel gauge was screwed up. When I filled the tank to check, all the way to the point of spilling some out of the top and ran the numbers, it worked out to 61 MPG.

After that the mileage went to 50 MPG, then after the next fillup to 42, and then back to a my normal 37. Happened again about 6 months later as well.


RE: So......
By mindless1 on 10/19/2011 1:20:01 AM , Rating: 2
I suspect your odometer is off for whatever reason and the times you had lower MPG it was even lower than the OD suggested.

One possible cause is smaller diameter tires.


RE: So......
By tng on 10/19/2011 10:41:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I suspect your odometer is off for whatever reason and the times you had lower MPG it was even lower than the OD suggested.
Really?

I drive to work every day and one way that is 49 miles. This was no different, and I have confirmed that with my wife's car as well. Also why would the diameter of my tires change on a day to day basis?


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