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Apple agrees to license some low level patents

Apple, Inc. (AAPL) has asserted that if it wins over Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (SEO 005930) in its slew of international lawsuits [1][2][3][4] [5][6][7] it will not license certain patents.

The approach is somewhat unusual in a market where companies like Microsoft, Corp. (MSFT) usually use their patent library to pressure rivals into lucrative licensing agreements [1][2].  Rather, Apple looks to “one up” competitors’ products with its IP library in order to make its own product more attractive.

In the past, Apple has patented certain technologies that are rather relatively obvious (e.g. its GUI patents including U.S. Patent No. 7,469,381) or cover ubiquitous industry standards (e.g. multi-touch) that were well-researched academically but were patented by Apple once the technology became mass-producible. 

Some have accused Apple of fighting dirty in suing with obvious patents and, thus far, refusing to license industry-standards (e.g. the rectangular tablet design and multi-touch).  Similar allegations have been leveled against Samsung, who in its countersuits has used certain industry-standard wireless patents covered under "fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory" (F/RAND) terms.  While Samsung also uses non-standards patents in its suits, its plan to see a ban on Apple's products using the F/RAND IP is controversial -- much like Apple's identical initial strike.

In the court filing Apple did leave the door open to licensing some patents, rather than refusing to license them and seeking a ban.  Apple's lawyers write:

However, he emphasises that such discussion was part of the broader discussion of a framework by which Samsung Electronics Co Limited could continue to sell its products with some elements of Apple Inc’s intellectual property, such as some 'lower level patents', available to them but would cease copying the features and functionality of Apple Inc's products, and the iPad in particular.

What is unclear is what patents exactly are among those "lower level" ones that Apple would be willing to license.

Samsung isn't taking any chances.  The New York Times reports that Samsung has filed suit seeking a sales ban on the iPhone 4S via preliminary injunction in Japan's Tokyo District Court and in Australia's New South Wales Registry.  The ban would apply to all of Japan and all of Australia if Samsung sees success in its respective claims.
Samsung wants Apple's iPhone 4S banned in Australia and Japan [Source: Apple]

James Chung, a Samsung spokesperson, states, "We are actively responding in (the legal battle) with Apple."

On Sunday Samsung Chief Operating Officer and President Lee Jae-yong journeyed to the U.S. to attend the memorial service of late Apple co-founder Steven P. Jobs.  He said that he would be meeting with Apple's new CEO Tim Cook, but it was unclear whether peace talks would be on the agenda.

Mr. Lee comments, "I will have a chance to meet Cook, but I'm not going there for business purposes. I'm going to pay tribute to Steve Jobs, and I don't know what I will talk about with Cook."

Samsung and Apple now have over two dozen lawsuits in over 10 countries worldwide regarding supposed infringements of mobile device intellectual property.

Sources: Samsung Fires Back at Apple iPhone 4S, Federal Court of Australia



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RE: Just more of Apple
By Reclaimer77 on 10/17/2011 12:57:19 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah I don't know how Apple get's away with this. They're basically engaging in an uncompetitive tactic against a competitor based on nothing more than the fact that Samsung is trying to compete with them. Can you imagine if MS tried a stunt like this?

I think it's time for judges to dismiss these suits and some ruling body to slap down Apple. Enough is enough. This bickering can only lead to the consumer being harmed.


RE: Just more of Apple
By bupkus on 10/17/11, Rating: 0
RE: Just more of Apple
By KingofL337 on 10/17/11, Rating: -1
RE: Just more of Apple
By cruisin3style on 10/17/2011 2:18:53 PM , Rating: 5
He said he doesnt have a smartphone, so with

pc vs mac
mp3 player like sansa fuze vs ipod
almost any tablet on the market vs ipad 2

the non-apple option is cheaper and usually just as good if not better, or it is so much cheaper that you can live with any drawbacks


RE: Just more of Apple
By MrTeal on 10/17/2011 2:26:57 PM , Rating: 3
The 3GS might be free on contract, but that contract definitely isn't free. Compare the cost of a cheap smartphone data plan to the cost of just owning a vanilla cell phone, and even a $20 a month difference will be almost $500 over the 2 year term.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Natch on 10/17/2011 3:17:25 PM , Rating: 2
Not to mention that you can also get Android or Windows phones for free or cheap, with a 2 year contract. Sort of makes the whole point of calling an iphone (or ANY smart phone) comparitively "cheap" a moot point.


RE: Just more of Apple
By sigmatau on 10/17/2011 10:38:16 PM , Rating: 2
A 3GS is a garbage phone now. It is already slow and clunky with ios4. The phone is like a little brick that slides off anything you set it on except a pretty flat surface.

Heavy and fragile. When you drop it, I bet it doesn't bounce. Mine cracked from a 3 foot fall.


RE: Just more of Apple
By espaghetti on 10/18/2011 7:48:27 PM , Rating: 2
Dear butterfingers with no knowledge of how to update software,
Be more careful, maybe buy a case and update your software..lol jk have nice day!


RE: Just more of Apple
By jnemesh on 10/17/2011 5:24:32 PM , Rating: 5
Once you get your "free" phone, however, you are locked into buying EVERYTHING from Apple. You MUST use iTunes, you MUST purchase apps from Apple's store and ONLY Apple's store, and Apple is doing everything it can to make sure your e-books, music, and movies are purchased from Apple as well (or, if buying from a competing service, that Apple still gets it's 30% cut!).

And your statement that the iPhone doesnt need iTunes is flawed. No, you dont need it to activate and use the phone, but if you want to do anything else, guess what? You have to use iTunes to manage everything. Have fun!


RE: Just more of Apple
By espaghetti on 10/18/2011 7:56:19 PM , Rating: 2
I've paid apple for one song and I have a lot of albums on my iphone.
Who told you that the media can only be what you buy from a digital service?
Itunes has an import cd feature.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Helbore on 10/18/2011 5:49:13 AM , Rating: 1
Wow, you don't need to connect your iPhone via iTunes to get it to work as a mobile phone anymore! Apple finally catches up with 20-year-old dumbphones and 10-year-old smartphones.

Well done Apple. You truly are the innovator of innovators. Now go forth and sue every other company for having made a phone that doesn't require running through bloatware to activate.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Kiffberet on 10/18/2011 8:29:58 AM , Rating: 2
Oh no, the Chinese and koreans are stealing all our technology and closing down American industry. This must stop!!

Except if it's Apple, then let anyone and everyone copy all their ideas and steal all the technology they can get their hands on. If apple sue, then its 'stopping innovation'.

If you don't like Apple thats fair enough, just don't complain when the courts rule in their favour, because YOU DONT KNOW ALL THE FACTS.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/18/2011 9:56:25 AM , Rating: 2
And neither do you, and Apple is not going to win.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Pirks on 10/18/2011 1:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
Apple was winning all these years and you always were whining about them and "predicting" their demise "any time soon". You think this is going to change? Why would it?

I see anti-Apple trolls like you whining for many years, and nothing ever changed. You just keep predicting "oohh uuhh TOMORROW I KNOW FOR SURE THIS TIME APPLE IS GOING DOWN!!!". Yeah, keep predicting, idiot. Looks kinda funny.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/18/2011 4:30:05 PM , Rating: 1
You are an absolute fucking idiot


RE: Just more of Apple
By Pirks on 10/18/2011 4:53:28 PM , Rating: 1
yeah go fuck yourself too


RE: Just more of Apple
By Helbore on 10/18/2011 1:22:54 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not even American, so have never had a rant about Koreans closing down American business.

Nice pointless rant, though.


RE: Just more of Apple
By StevoLincolnite on 10/17/11, Rating: -1
RE: Just more of Apple
By sviola on 10/17/2011 1:50:59 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I don't think that is completely true, as Samsung does not hold a monopoly on the living room, kitchen and laundry. This is a much more competitive market than the mobile one. I doubt that few people buy all their appliances from a single vendor. Just as an example, in my hosue the only thing I have from Samsung is in my living room: the dvd/home theatre. All the rest are from other vendors, among which Panasonic, GE, Bosch, Sony and Philips.


RE: Just more of Apple
By StevoLincolnite on 10/17/2011 2:03:10 PM , Rating: 2
I was speaking comparatively between Apple and Samsung of course.

Apple just doesn't have enough markets to apply such connectivity betweem appliances around the home in it's walled off style, probably something that they view Samsung as a threat in as Samsung keeps taking marketshare in Apples big revenue streams.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Reclaimer77 on 10/17/2011 2:44:38 PM , Rating: 5
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know if it's true that Samsung "owns our homes", but I know they didn't sue to get to that position.

Apple is trying to litigate their competition away. It's absurd. Are you just being an apologist here? This can't possibly be good for the end consumer.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Boze on 10/17/2011 6:30:04 PM , Rating: 2
Samsung doesn't own our homes?

I have a Samsung refrigerator, Samsung front-loading washing machine and dryer, Samsung televisions in the den, kitchen, game room, and computer room, Samsung Blu-ray player, and I'm using a 24" Samsung monitor right now.

I would love for all my devices to talk to each other.

My study is upstairs in my home. My washing / mud room is downstairs. I'd love to get an alert popping up on my screen telling me that the dryer cycle is finished.

I'd love to have alerts pop up on my refrigerator's LCD screen while I'm downstairs cooking dinner and a large file transfer is done.

I'd love to have some kind of technology that can track me through the use of a wearable ID card, so while I'm cooking, I can have a movie or television show loaded up in VLC, or on Netflix, and when I move rooms, my Samsung televisions / LCD displays switch over that content seamlessly to the displays in those rooms.

All of that would be possible, and should be possible, in the near future.

Apple has reason to fear, because if Samsung develops that kind of technology, along with clearly superior phones like the Galaxy S II (which I also own and consider the best smartphone ever made, from a technological standpoint), then its only a matter of time until people start to consider that maybe when its time for new appliances and electronics, it'd be best to have all Samsung devices that can seamlessly communicate with each other.

Looking at Samsung's history, it should be very alarming to any CEO of any electronics firm.

Samsung has bested Sony in consumer electronics quality in terms of televisions and blu-ray players. They beat out all other phone manufacturers to create the most technologically advanced smartphone. They're quickly overtaking appliance makers like GE, Whirlpool, Kenmore, and others.

Samsung is positioning itself to conquer the entire home, and its doing so quickly and effectively. Its actually a little disconcerting, to be honest.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Reclaimer77 on 10/17/2011 8:01:17 PM , Rating: 2
Ah I mistook your original point, my bad. No doubt Samsung is a huge player. But there's still lots of competition out there. My point was just that Samsung didn't get to where they are by using Apple's tactics of bullying and anti-competitive strategies.

quote:
Galaxy S II (which I also own and consider the best smartphone ever made, from a technological standpoint)


Cool me too, my first ever smartphone. Good things DO come to those who wait. I don't know though, the 4S might have it beat power wise. But I think that gorgeous large SAMOLED+ gives us the edge :P

quote:
I would love for all my devices to talk to each other.


It would be neat. Actually a few companies are working on the "smart home" wifi concept. My only thing is that for a bit more convenience, it's going to add an LOT more to the cost, complexities, and troubleshooting of appliances.

quote:
I'd love to have some kind of technology that can track me through the use of a wearable ID card, so while I'm cooking, I can have a movie or television show loaded up in VLC, or on Netflix, and when I move rooms, my Samsung televisions / LCD displays switch over that content seamlessly to the displays in those rooms.


Whoa, actually that's a pretty good freaking idea. You should patent that if it's not already :)

The Home of the Future: By Boze! (not to be confused with Bose) hehe


RE: Just more of Apple
By robinthakur on 10/18/2011 6:16:07 AM , Rating: 2
All my devices used to be Samsung including Fridge and all TV's throughout the house but they completely lost my business over the fridge. It broke within the warranty period, and then they procrastinated for more than 2 months (2 months without a fridge!) trying to send a spare part from Belgium to London with little to no communication despite me calling to harrass them every 2 days. Suffice it to say I no longer use their products. I've switched my TVs to LG passive 3D, and all appliances have transitioned to being Bosch/Neff. I would not use one of their phones/tablets in a month of Sundays no matter what the cost feature-set or styling, even if they paid me.
Apple, whenever I have needed service on my phones have been prompt, organised and responsive. They are not perfect, and they are a bit arrogant, but they provide the best service that I have encountered, and are far preferable to Samsung in my own experience, who are utterly shambolic.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Helbore on 10/18/2011 5:54:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'd love to have some kind of technology that can track me through the use of a wearable ID card, so while I'm cooking, I can have a movie or television show loaded up in VLC, or on Netflix, and when I move rooms, my Samsung televisions / LCD displays switch over that content seamlessly to the displays in those rooms.


I'm pretty sure you just described Bill Gates's house.


RE: Just more of Apple
By BZDTemp on 10/17/2011 1:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah I don't know how Apple get's away with this.


They are not.

Even non techie people are catching on to how Apple goes about things and they are losing their magic position in the eyes of the consumers. Apple is no longer the underdog doing great things they are now the big dog that has forgotten how to a good dog.

It's not like Apple is gonna make a 180 and become a decent company again and the customers will also not run away but they are becoming a company like almost any other big company.

Personally I think the Apple guys need to wake up and realize what they are doing because I'm sure many of them will eventually regret this.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Pirks on 10/17/11, Rating: -1
RE: Just more of Apple
By priusone on 10/17/2011 4:13:33 PM , Rating: 2
He's not talking about the fanboy minority, which certainly helped get the iPhone estalished. No matter how many "David and Goliath" tales Apple tells, customers will still go with whatever is easier for them. Now, when it comes to status, that's where people like me can do their damage. I'm a techie guy and all my friends know the evil of Apple. It gets subliminally drilled into their brain. They even give their friends hell for owning an iPhone.

Ultimately, I love my keyboard and am thankful there is an alternative to Apple. Message sent from my Droid 3.


RE: Just more of Apple
By captainBOB on 10/17/2011 5:08:14 PM , Rating: 2
Holy Hyperbole Batman!!!!

You are saying that you and your "friends" persecute people who own an iPhone? Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

I don't agree with Apple's current suing spree, but Samsung was asking for it by aping the iPhone, at least HTC and Microsoft had the sense to make their own unique interfaces for their devices.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Pirks on 10/17/2011 5:22:59 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'm a techie guy and all my friends know the evil of Apple
Way too few of you techies to stop Apple growth, iPhone 4S sold 4 millions in three days and this is double the growth of the previous iPhone model! I think all your efforts to stop Apple are futile. Techies are obsolete. Deal with it.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Tony Swash on 10/17/11, Rating: -1
RE: Just more of Apple
By Pirks on 10/17/2011 6:51:08 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Pirks is it me or are the comments on all this becoming ever more juvenile and credulous?
Ever more juvenile? They were ALWAYS like that on DT, you just haven't seen the senior anti-Apple trolls that used to post on DT a couple of years ago if you think it becomes MORE juvenile. You are too fresh here and haven't seen much, hehe :)


RE: Just more of Apple
By Tony Swash on 10/17/2011 7:10:27 PM , Rating: 1
I guess I was just posing a rhetorical question. I find the endless whining of the phobe boys a bit much sometimes. And this desperate belief/wish that somebody in government is going to come to their rescue and somehow stop Apple - it's all a bit pathetic really. What's with the ridiculous suggestions that Apple should be be made, forced, to share their trade secrets and patented designs with competing companies - what planet do these guys live on?


RE: Just more of Apple
By Boze on 10/18/2011 1:32:00 AM , Rating: 3
Probably because if companies didn't share patents with each other, we wouldn't be much further along from the start of the Industrial Revolution.

Some companies believe that there's both profit and progress to be made by patenting their ideas and technology, and then allowing other companies the use of those ideas and technology through patent licensing.

Personally, I think Apple is just afraid of Samsung's success with their Galaxy S phone series and is looking to stop that competition any way they can, because the Apple ecosystem isn't as compelling to most people as the Android ecosystem.

Americans are naturally a group that will lean more towards universal or near universal freedom. Apple doesn't offer that in such a way that people find intensely compelling, and the numbers tend to show that.

From 2007 until recently, Apple has sold about 108 million iPhones. The Galaxy S was announced in March 2010 and has sold 20 million units to date. The Galaxy S II was announced in February 2011 and has sold 10 million units.

So the Galaxy S line has done a little under 1/3rd the iPhone's volume in about 1/4th the time.

It doesn't take a genius on either the Android or the iOS side of the fence to see that consumer demand for the Galaxy S line is just as strong, and continuing to grow stronger, and is probably the motivating factor for these decisions.

The difference between Apple's approach with patents and Samsung's approach is that Samsung is happy to license their technology for additional revenue, whereas Apple clearly wishes to try to eliminate the competition. Which approach generates more revenue is up for debate, and I honestly wouldn't know how to begin to determine which is more advantageous. But, what I do know is that Samsung would rather at least attempt to outengineer the competition instead of trying to stifle it through litigation and denial of patent technology.

That's clearly more advantageous to consumers than Apple's approach, and is probably why you see the intense backlash that you do.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Tony Swash on 10/18/2011 5:37:27 AM , Rating: 1
So I guess you are going to be posting a lot in future on how Google needs to open source it's search algorithms? Or perhaps pushing for Microsoft to release the source code for Windows? Or what about this one - a real doozy - press Google to release all variants of the Android OS to anyone who wants to download it?

By the way arguing that in some weird abstract arithmetical calculation the Galaxy S II outsells the iPhone is not going to change the actual reality of the real world, which is that the iPhone was, remains and will continue to be the best selling handset on the planet. I loved that you quoted sales of 10 million Galaxy S II handsets since February when we have just seen sales of 4 million iPhone 4S handset in just two days. I guess the message about the 'intense backlash' hasn't quite filtered through to everyone just yet :)

It's Apple winning that frightens and confuses you.

I know I shouldn't post this, for the sake of your blood pressure, but here is a video that I found very amusing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hckrig2BwNY

and here is my nomination for headline of the week.

http://atomictrevor.wordpress.com/2011/10/15/the-c...


RE: Just more of Apple
By Boze on 10/18/2011 12:55:03 PM , Rating: 3
I don't understand why you get so defensive in all your posts, especially when I just stating facts.

Fact, it took over four years for the iPhone to sell 108 million units.

Fact, it took about a year and a half (give or take) for the Galaxy S, a single smartphone offering from Samsung, to sell 30 million units.

You keep talking about the actual reality of the real world. Well the actual reality is that a single company, with a single phone "family" (Galaxy S brand), has a little under 1/3rd the volume of all iPhones combined.

I'm not sure why this bothers you so dramatically that you need to attempt to insult me by postulating that the sales of the iPhone disrupt my blood pressure, or that Apple's success confuses and frightens me.

There's nothing confusing or frightening about Apple's success. In the personal computing space, they market to people based on fear and misinformation, and by attempting to appeal to people's sense of style or fashion. In the smartphone space, they market by providing an easy-to-use and moderatedly powerful smartphone. In the tablet space, its a blend of those two approaches.

Most people don't want to read the manual for every tool they purchase, and so they rarely use their tools to the fullest. Apple products are no exception to this basic phenomenon. The path of least resistance is always the one most travelled.

And its clearly not me that's frightened by Apple. I'll never have to be frightened by Apple because no matter what market they branch out into and attempt to dominate, someone always comes along and trumps them eventually, or even more hilariously, they trump themselves.

Apple is kiling their iPod line with their iPhone line. No need to buy an iPod if I can have an iPad and an iPhone that can store all my music.

Smartphones, same thing... they might have shown the world what a really well-designed smartphone can do, but then Android showed everyone what a somewhat less-well-designed OS can do when you turn it loose for everyone to tweak and improve and make more advanced smartphones.

Android market share in the smartphone space has grown monstrously since its release and if the Galaxy S line alone is any indication, that growth is not slowing down.

The iPhone 4S sold 4 million in 2 days, that's excellent sales and I don't think anyone could reasonably deny that, but the question in whether or not the iPhone 4S will sustain that growth or not.

We're about to come to a real crossroads soon. If the Galaxy S III is released before the iPhone 5, and if the GS3 has better specs and screen, its going to be really interesting to see if the iPhone family can maintain sales against the Galaxy S family. This concerns you for reason I don't understand.

The iPhone isn't going anywhere, and the Galaxy S surely isn't. I don't know why this seems to bother you so much.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Helbore on 10/18/2011 1:45:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This concerns you for reason I don't understand.


It's actually quite simple, really. Tony has said before that he has owned shares in Apple since the 80s. This is the first time where his shares are actually worth anything. After the near-death of Apple in the 90s and a possible complete loss of his money, he must have been jumping for joy when Steve turned the company around and made them profitable.

Now there is threat to their dominance, he clearly is concerned about his shares being turned into waste paper once again. He wants Apple to sue the competition into non-existence, as it will maintain his own share prices. Competitors gaining on Apple's marketshare only means a possible drop in his own investments.

He's gloated quite openly about how his investment has paid off. I doubt he was doing that when Microsoft trounced all over them 15-20 years ago.

That's clearly why he gets so defensive and - ultimately - insulting if anybody even questions Apple. He's scared of history repeating itself.

<Cue Swash reply about how hilarious this is and that I'm just some terrified Apple-hater who can't fathom the future of technology and so is lashing out in anger.>

PS, congrats on the shares, Tony. Seriously, too. They must be worth an order of magnitude more than you paid for them. Hope they pay good dividends, as you were clearly a loyal investor.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Pirks on 10/18/2011 1:57:28 AM , Rating: 1
You just have to get used to the fact that DT is choke full of boneheaded very stupid anti-Apple zombies who are very nervous about Apple success, because they are too dumb to understand what is actually going on. I was like them a few years ago, now I kinda grew up and became objective. For me it's fun to be here and laugh at them. It's like being in zoo :) You see some screaming monkey and realize that you were same monkey in your previous life a long time ago. Kinda feels good inside then :) DT reminds me of my childhood. It's a nice dirty playground with a lot of dumb kids from the block nearby. I like those playgrounds, what would we do without dumb kids to play with eh ;)


RE: Just more of Apple
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/18/2011 8:15:00 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
now I kinda grew up and became objective
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, now that is funny.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Pirks on 10/18/2011 1:35:46 PM , Rating: 1
cheesy clown is gonna burst, EVERYONE HIDE!!!


RE: Just more of Apple
By mostyle on 10/17/2011 11:21:59 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
eyes of the consumers, or else they will sell only like 10 million iPhone 5 handsets


<SARCASM>
Lemmings will do what they will.
</SARCASM>

Don't get me wrong.. For some people Apple products are the perfect device..

I just don't like the 'all in' mentality that comes with purchasing an Apple product.


RE: Just more of Apple
By michael2k on 10/17/2011 4:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
They get away with it because it's legal. They are utilizing government granted monopolies in IP to stop competitors in a court of law.

If Microsoft did the same thing it would also be legal until someone changed the law on them or calls the antitrust card on them. In Microsoft's case they said antitrust law was greater than contract law.

In Apple's case you have the distinction that they aren't a monopoly (you do in fact have alternatives such as Motorola, Blackberry, Nokia, LG, Sony, etc that actually make up 60% of the marketplace) and the fact that IP is enshrined in the highest laws (patents and copyright are in the US Constitution, for example, while trademark is just a little lower ranked as an entire field of law) while contracts are legal language but not actually laws.


RE: Just more of Apple
By lightfoot on 10/17/2011 7:29:56 PM , Rating: 2
Apple IS a monopoly in the digital music industry. iTunes is THE dominant player (and yes it is a legal monopoly.)

What is illegal is that they use this legal monopoly and tie it to the other products that they sell (like MP3 players, phones and tablets.) Leveraging their legal monopoly to create a dominant position in other markets is clearly a violation of anti-trust laws.

Microsoft got nailed by the same laws by bundling Internet Explorer with Windows.

Imagine if Apple was forced to give you the OPTION of choosing a different App store when activating an iDevice? Mind-boggling isn't it? The option of not having to shovel 30% of everything you buy for your phone/tablet/music player to Apple. The world might end!


RE: Just more of Apple
By michael2k on 10/18/2011 12:11:42 PM , Rating: 2
You haven't actually given indication how Apple has "abused" it's monopoly. Here's an example:
Microsoft had a contract with Compaq to prevent Compaq from modifying the Windows boot image. Compaq replaced IE with Netscape and MSN with AOL, on the desktop, ergo modifying the Windows boot image. Microsoft refused to license Windows to Compaq on those terms. The DoJ found it abuse of monopoly in enforcing said contract to gain power over Netscape, using it's Windows monopoly to gain a monopoly over browsers.

Apple iTunes is tied to MP3 players and tablets and phones, but they don't use iTunes to crush other MP3 players, tablets, or phones. They don't prevent you from using iTunes or iPods or iPod touches if you run an Android phone; I've got two coworkers that use, respectively, and iPod touch (for games and tethered browsing) and an iPod (for music) while also using an Android phone.

Likewise with tablets! My sister in law's TouchPad works fine despite iTunes being installed on her PC.

Tying to services together is in fact legal if it isn't anticompetitive; look at how XBox 360 games don't work on PCs nor Macs despite being DirectX compatible and PowerPC compatible. Look at how Wii games don't run on an XBox 360 despite both being PowerPC units.


RE: Just more of Apple
By Black1969ta on 10/18/2011 2:08:53 AM , Rating: 2
Constitution? Where exactly in the constitution is the law establishing Patents and copyrights? I would like the article and paragraph please.


RE: Just more of Apple
By michael2k on 10/18/2011 11:30:40 AM , Rating: 2
From Wiki:

Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, known as the Copyright Clause, empowers the United States Congress:

“ To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. ”


RE: Just more of Apple
By Black1969ta on 10/25/2011 3:07:33 AM , Rating: 2
LIB! I knew it was law but didn't realize, the law dated back to the constitution itself.

I stand corrected!


RE: Just more of Apple
By chick0n on 10/17/2011 10:19:17 PM , Rating: 2
how they get away?

cuz majority of people are fuxking idiots, they thought that Apple invented every god damn computer/electronic thing. when the truth is they steal just like everyone else, patent obvious stuff like everyone else, and guess what, they grant them these stupid patents. failed.


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