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You're doing it wrong.
Turbos are on 75% of new cars sold in Europe

You don't have to be a scientist or an automotive engineer to look at the fuel economy that major automakers are squeezing out of their vehicles with normal combustion engines today and wonder if we really need EVs and hybrids. More than one diesel car in Europe is able to provide fuel economy as good or better than the hybrids people generally think are so fuel thrifty.
The catch is that we rarely see diesel engines in the US inside a car, that will be changing, but the diesel car isn't common today for American drivers. One thing that is becoming very common for fuel efficiency sake is the addition of a turbocharger to allow a smaller displacement engine to produce acceptable power to provide the performance drivers expect.
The turbocharger is something that was often thought of for performance cars like the Grand National Buick in the mid to late 1980's. Today the turbo is used in a number of engines including the very popular EcoBoost line from Ford. Ford's EcoBoost engine inside the F-150 truck is selling very well and has a towing capacity on par with normal engines with larger displacement. The turbocharger is even more widely used in Europe where Reuters reports that 75% of all new cars come with one.
Craig Balis from Honeywell Turbo Technologies told Reuters in an interview, "The turbocharger is a green technology in the sense that it's helping cut emissions and raise fuel economy. It's a critical component to get more fuel efficiency out of the engine."
"Emissions regulations in Europe, the United States and worldwide are a driving force for cleaner, greener vehicles and that's a great landscape for turbocharging," said Balis. "We're confident about the continued evolution of combustion engines and the growing role turbocharging has."
Reuters reports that a diesel engine that has a turbocharger can get 40% more mileage than one without a turbo and a gas engine can go 20% further per liter of fuel than one without a turbo. With the impressive economy that normal engines with turbochargers achieve there are many that wonder if we even need EVs and hybrids.
Pierre Gaudillat, policy officer at the Transport and Environment lobby group in Brussels, was asked if we need EVs from a CO2 point of view. He said, "That's a valid question. The answer is: maybe not. Turbos are a no-brainer for cutting CO2 because the efficiency gains are really quite significant. In the near term, we don't really need and can't count on electric vehicles to deliver the CO2 savings. Maybe not until about 2030 or 2050."

Source: Reuters

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RE: Yes, we need them.
By aguilpa1 on 10/17/2011 6:46:12 PM , Rating: 2
exactly, it sounds like just another corporate excuse to keep milking the public with high fuel costs and stagnate solutions that could potentially end our dependence on fossil fuels.

If it weren't for the push of public's push for EV's and hybrids would the automotive industry even have moved to make their engines more efficient and turbocharge their fleets. It's not like the technology hasn't been around for decades? How is it their holy cow all the sudden?

RE: Yes, we need them.
By MrTeal on 10/18/2011 10:42:12 AM , Rating: 2
What public push? The big push for EVs is coming from the government, not from the buying public.

People ultimately vote with their wallet. They're fine with saying they support electric vehicles right up until the point where they have to stop spending other people's money and have to give up their own to get one.

Electric cars may be the future, but it definitely isn't the majority of consumers pushing it forward. They just want something reliable, cheap to own and operate, good looking, and a little fun.

RE: Yes, we need them.
By Reclaimer77 on 10/19/2011 10:29:01 AM , Rating: 2
People ultimately vote with their wallet. They're fine with saying they support electric vehicles right up until the point where they have to stop spending other people's money and have to give up their own to get one.

True but that's the "progressive's" M.O. They're real good at telling everyone else what they should buy and support. They, however, will just do whatever is best for them while demonizing those who do the same.

Sorry but there's not some corporate conspiracy to keep EV's down. It's us, those who refuse to buy one.

RE: Yes, we need them.
By topkill on 10/31/2011 3:30:46 PM , Rating: 2
The John Birch Society has spoken! LOL

RE: Yes, we need them.
By Dr of crap on 10/25/2011 1:04:23 PM , Rating: 2
Do you know the number of EVs and hybrid sold?

The public doesn't want them. Now I'm all for alternative fuel sources. Why we didn't do it in the 70s when gas prices quadrupled I don't know. Maybe the tech wasn't there, but we might be that much farther along anyway.

Cars are heavier than years ago. The 40mpg of today would be 50-60mpg back then. But I don't know if turbo is the way to go. I still remember the troubles that turbo cars had in the not to distant past. I'd rather go with the smaller, lighter car/engine that will last, then to put my trust in a turbo, IMHO.

CNG cars are not being pushed. Yes I know the energy in natural gas isn't as good as gas, but I could fill up in my garage, big plus for me, and teh engine is suspose to last longer, and gain less CO2 all in the same engine.

Biodiesel engines can burn french fry grease, or diesel made from grass growing on the side of the interstate. This is where we sould be heading. But cash rules and the ones behind the cash don't want us to go in that direction.

So we have hybrid and EVs that will satifiy the CAFE standards, but the public doesn't want. We have the ecoboost with turbo that seems to be selling.
We have turbo cars - not sure on these yet.

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