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"They build a shiny sparkling thing that attracts users and then they control people's access to those things"

You may recall that top video game maker Valve Corp., makers of the Half-LifeCounterstrikePortal, and Left 4 Dead series, as well as the hit video-game distribution client Steam, recently aired some of its titles on Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) Mac computers for the first time following some teasers.

But while Valve now is vending products for Apple's personal computer platform, it appears like there's little love between the firms.  Valve president and owner Gabe Newell blasted the Cupertino tech giant for its dictatorial approach to the mobile market.

He comments, "I suspect Apple will launch a living room product that redefines people's expectations really strongly and the notion of a separate console platform will disappear.  I'm worried that the things that traditionally have been the source of a lot of innovation are going - there's going to be an attempt to close those off so somebody will say 'I'm tired of competing with Google, I'm tired of competing with Facebook, I'll apply a console model and exclude the competitors I don't like from my world.'"

He continues, commenting that Apple has the "wrong philosophical approach" in its closed model.  

He adds, "I consider Apple to be very closed.  Let's say you have a book business and you are charging 5 to 7 percent gross margins. You can't exist in an Apple world because they want 30 percent and they don't care that you only have 7 percent to play with." 

To be fair, Valve might be being a bit hypocritical here as its Steam is also a closed platform, as the interviewer challenged.  Mr. Newell brushed this question aside, saying that while Steam isn't free, Valve does offer much free engine code and other tools to developers.

David Bluhm, president and chief executive of game company Z2Live, a mobile-focused gamemaker, jumped to Apple's defense after Mr. Newell's remarks, commenting, "I would argue Apple's system is very open but very proprietary ... it's open with their rules."

Source: TechNW: Best and worst of times for games, Valve vs. Apple

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RE: hmmm
By TakinYourPoints on 10/14/2011 12:42:52 AM , Rating: -1
Except you never have to root an Android phone, so whatever. Android doesn't block core functionality and apps arbitrarily.

You're kidding, right? It totally depends on the hardware and manufacturer. Over and over there are things like people needing to hack around Motorola's locked-down bootloader or rooting their Fascinate to get around Verizon's blocks to prevent reinstalling of Google search apps. This is before we even get to handsets and carriers either blocking or being a year behind OS updates.

Droid is about the only one that can be called "open", and even then you're dealing with occurrances of Google retroactively pulling Android apps.

There is a lot more in common than most people let on, the difference is that Android users fool themselves into thinking they have an "open" platform. iOS and WP7 users make no bones about the closed system they're getting into, but they work great so whatever.

RE: hmmm
By Reclaimer77 on 10/14/2011 2:06:04 AM , Rating: 2
lol nice relativism attempt. So because there's a few examples of it taking place on Android, it's now just as locked down as iOS and isn't really open? Give me a break. Open doesn't mean total anarchy. Of course there's going to be a few restrictions, but there's just no comparison.

Also your link is kind of bunk. You can still get that app on the net, but of course they are going to remove something like "easy root" from the Marketplace. Hello are you thick? Did you miss this part?

"In the end, the Easy Root situation resolved itself by way of Android's basic tenets . Rather than worrying about the Android Market guidelines and policies, the developer, Unstable Apps, decided to offer the app directly through its own Web site. Android developers have the freedom to deploy their apps any way they see fit, including giving it away as a free download. "

And what the hell are you on about with Google search? Why in the hell would Google "block" the use of Google search apps? The only proof of your claim I can find is Google search being temporarily pulled from the Market because of issues with the software. The Verizon Fascinate is an isolated incident, and it's Verizon's fault not Google/Android.

Sorry but aside from a few cherrypicked examples of ancient phones and ONE carrier blocking Google one ONE phone because they made an exclusive deal with Microsoft, you're completely and dishonestly manipulating the extent of this. I still maintain that by and large there is NO reason to ROOT a modern Android phone.

I find your attempt to warp reality by suggesting Apple doesn't completely throw you in jail when you buy an iPhone because of these examples a joke.

RE: hmmm
By TakinYourPoints on 10/14/2011 6:03:26 PM , Rating: 2
lol nice relativism attempt. So because there's a few examples of it taking place on Android, it's now just as locked down as iOS and isn't really open?

You're REALLY denying that users still don't hack around the restrictions and custom UI that some carriers and hardware manufacturers put on Android handsets?

Who's living in an RDF now, wtf dude...

RE: hmmm
By TakinYourPoints on 10/14/2011 7:44:25 PM , Rating: 2
Wait, I almost forgot you believe that Obama, who is completely in the pockets of big business and Wall Street, is a socialist.

I'm happy people like you have a place to voice your hilarious opinions.

RE: hmmm
By Reclaimer77 on 10/14/2011 7:56:48 PM , Rating: 3
Socialized medicine? Tax and spend policies? Pulling the "blame the rich" card constantly? He's a CHAMPION for wealth redistribution, and you think he's not a socialist? The Wall Street Reform bill?

I don't care who he's in the pocket of. He's managed to consolidate Federal power and influence to record levels. That makes him a socialist. I can't believe we're actually debating this, only the most ardent Leftist can seriously look at the quantum leap of Government power and regulation this administration has cultured and come away with any other conclusion.

You're just a complete idiot.

RE: hmmm
By TakinYourPoints on 10/15/2011 2:33:14 AM , Rating: 1
President Bush was at least as bad as Obama in most of these ways. He was ostensibly a conservative but he spent more than any Democratic president before him, and this is before we even include the two wars. Obama's health care plans are only a continuation of what Bush started, just look at what he did to Medicare in opposition of his own party. The difference is that Bush taxed and somehow believed that increasing spending without increasing taxes would somehow work.

As far as the "tax the rich" thing goes, even Buffet and Gates think it is ridiculous that they get an 18% average tax rate before taking deductions while their secretaries are at the 35% rate. Hell, I'm in the top tax bracket and I think it's crazy.

For the sake of comparison, if you believe that Obama's predecessor was a fiscal conservative in any way then you're just drinking the neocon kool-aid. And if you believe that Obama is a leftist, you're an idiot, the guy makes Reagan and Goldwater look like liberals.

I can't believe you actually believe the shit you say, not just on this topic but on anything. It's all based on rhetoric and emotion with backup by fact or logic being a distant second. Well, I can believe it; I see your posts here way too often. I guess being brainwashed by Fox News or conservative radio or whatever you listen to by the outhouse every day will do that.

I do have to say congratulations on being able to type your responses out though, I'd have guessed that generations of inbreeding would have crushed that ability out of you. Congrats

RE: hmmm
By Reclaimer77 on 10/15/2011 10:12:44 AM , Rating: 2
Whats with bringing Bush out of left field on this? Every Conservative knows he's no Conservative. He was more of a moderate in his policies. So your argument is that because bush dipped his toe into socialism on a few policies, Obama isn't one? Yeah that's just brilliant...

Jesus can we have ONE Obama discussion where someone doesn't bring up Bush? It's been almost 4 years since he was relevant to discussions.


Bacchman is an idiot and NOT in office so she doesn't make policy. This is a straw man, pointless link. This doesn't disprove Obama's socialist policies.

As far as the "tax the rich" thing goes, even Buffet and Gates think it is ridiculous that they get an 18% average tax rate before taking deductions while their secretaries are at the 35% rate. Hell, I'm in the top tax bracket and I think it's crazy.

Another RED HERRING. What other people think doesn't change anything in this discussion. It's about Obama and his policies, which are inherently socialist! If Bill Gates also said everyone should give as much to charity as he has, would you then fight to make it mandatory?

And if you believe that Obama is a leftist, you're an idiot, the guy makes Reagan and Goldwater look like liberals.

So Obama is MORE Conservative than Reagan now? Oh just come on! You're one confused kid. How can you even say that.

I can't believe you actually believe the shit you say

I know the feeling.

You can make all the arguments you want, the only one I really need to make is pointing out Obamacare. Sorry, the man is a socialist.

If I've been "brainwashed" then what about the two entire generations that have been fed Liberal dominated media? Oh let me guess, there's no such thing right? So Obama isn't a socialist, and MSNBC etc etc isn't Liberal leaning.

Denial on your level is just astounding and sad to witness.

p.s. Ignoring your petty continued personal attacks because, quite honestly, I'm just better than you.

RE: hmmm
By TakinYourPoints on 10/15/2011 6:42:27 PM , Rating: 2

Herpa derpa derp derp derp herp derp derp


You make some compelling points.

BTW, I found a photo of you and your wife last night:

Who said a brother and sister can't make a lovely couple?

RE: hmmm
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/15/2011 7:00:59 PM , Rating: 2
Grow the fuck up....seriously.

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