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"They build a shiny sparkling thing that attracts users and then they control people's access to those things"

You may recall that top video game maker Valve Corp., makers of the Half-LifeCounterstrikePortal, and Left 4 Dead series, as well as the hit video-game distribution client Steam, recently aired some of its titles on Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) Mac computers for the first time following some teasers.

But while Valve now is vending products for Apple's personal computer platform, it appears like there's little love between the firms.  Valve president and owner Gabe Newell blasted the Cupertino tech giant for its dictatorial approach to the mobile market.

He comments, "I suspect Apple will launch a living room product that redefines people's expectations really strongly and the notion of a separate console platform will disappear.  I'm worried that the things that traditionally have been the source of a lot of innovation are going - there's going to be an attempt to close those off so somebody will say 'I'm tired of competing with Google, I'm tired of competing with Facebook, I'll apply a console model and exclude the competitors I don't like from my world.'"

He continues, commenting that Apple has the "wrong philosophical approach" in its closed model.  

He adds, "I consider Apple to be very closed.  Let's say you have a book business and you are charging 5 to 7 percent gross margins. You can't exist in an Apple world because they want 30 percent and they don't care that you only have 7 percent to play with." 

To be fair, Valve might be being a bit hypocritical here as its Steam is also a closed platform, as the interviewer challenged.  Mr. Newell brushed this question aside, saying that while Steam isn't free, Valve does offer much free engine code and other tools to developers.

David Bluhm, president and chief executive of game company Z2Live, a mobile-focused gamemaker, jumped to Apple's defense after Mr. Newell's remarks, commenting, "I would argue Apple's system is very open but very proprietary ... it's open with their rules."

Source: TechNW: Best and worst of times for games, Valve vs. Apple

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RE: Glad someone sees this...
By corduroygt on 10/13/2011 1:21:45 PM , Rating: -1
How is that any different from what MS/Sony/Nintendo do with their console business? You want to develop for the 360/PS3/Wii/PSP/DS, you have to go through their store and licensing model.

RE: Glad someone sees this...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/13/2011 1:30:12 PM , Rating: 2
Because Valve doesn't control the Windows operating system and the entire Internet?

You do NOT need Steam to get your game out there. Hello? Comparing this to Apple is a flawed analogy. Valve doesn't sell consumer devices or hardware of any kind.

RE: Glad someone sees this...
By MrBlastman on 10/13/2011 1:56:04 PM , Rating: 5
Very true, I don't need Steam at all to get my game out there. There are other places like Direc2drive and for instance.

Steam does provide a lot of value, though (unlike Apple's store) with their sales. I'd say the bulk of my gaming purchases in the last couple of years have been through Steam (quantity-wise, not dollar wise) through these sales. When they start offering games for 2.50 - 5.00, I find myself giving in. In fact, I've built up such a backlog of titles now I have no reason at all to buy anything new for years to come.

That doesn't mean I won't though. Note I said quantity-wise. I've probably spent more dollars outside of Steam in the occasional purchase I make; mostly it is money spent on flight simulators as I feel the developers need every cent due to the small niche market it caters to.

I like Steam. I hate Apple's store and i-tunes. No, I loathe i-tunes. Anything that is invasive enough to brake my capability to burn CD's is bad enough I don't want it ever again.

I do feel a little bit like though that Valve is worried about what Apple might do in the future. As they should be. Apple, as much as I hate them along with everyone else, probably still has a few Steve tricks left up their sleeves and with marketing muscle, might put a dent in some markets (like Steam) that we don't see yet. The only problem is, they lack Steve, which, I feel was the true magician behind the magic show. The stagehands can only pull so much off once the magician has left the show...

RE: Glad someone sees this...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/13/11, Rating: -1
RE: Glad someone sees this...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/13/2011 5:45:01 PM , Rating: 1
Shut up Tony. You don't get the point, as usual.

RE: Glad someone sees this...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/13/11, Rating: 0
RE: Glad someone sees this...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/14/2011 8:47:26 AM , Rating: 2
You must be a miserable person, the name calling, that only serves to show how small minded you really are. Grow up. Seriously.

By TakinYourPoints on 10/14/2011 5:57:54 PM , Rating: 2
I'm one of the happiest people you'll ever meet. Trolling horrible posters like Leroy is hilarious

RE: Glad someone sees this...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/15/2011 6:46:00 PM , Rating: 1
Note that he started the name calling in every single case. He's one of the most short-fused and vicious posters here. If he wants to sling shit then he should be ready to get it back instead of crying like a little baby.

RE: Glad someone sees this...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/15/2011 11:24:38 PM , Rating: 2
No, I don't believe he did. Calling him trailer trash, redneck and other various names, that's you. Like I said, grow up.

RE: Glad someone sees this...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/16/2011 6:01:21 AM , Rating: 2
Oh no, that was loooong after he started with me....

RE: Glad someone sees this...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/16/2011 12:04:28 PM , Rating: 2
Give me a break, you can't be THAT thin skinned. The worst I have ever called you was the occasional "idiot", as I do with almost everyone I argue with here. I've never gone into your background, or made stupid assumptions about you based on where you live, or anything like that.

Your attacks don't bother me, but they're really mean spirited and just kind of immature. It makes it seem like I'm debating with someone in middle school. I'm half expecting you to resort to "yo momma" jokes soon.

By TakinYourPoints on 10/19/2011 6:33:03 AM , Rating: 1
"Idiot" opens up the gate to mean spirited, sorry dude. Don't sling shit if you're not ready to get it back.

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