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"They build a shiny sparkling thing that attracts users and then they control people's access to those things"

You may recall that top video game maker Valve Corp., makers of the Half-LifeCounterstrikePortal, and Left 4 Dead series, as well as the hit video-game distribution client Steam, recently aired some of its titles on Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) Mac computers for the first time following some teasers.

But while Valve now is vending products for Apple's personal computer platform, it appears like there's little love between the firms.  Valve president and owner Gabe Newell blasted the Cupertino tech giant for its dictatorial approach to the mobile market.

He comments, "I suspect Apple will launch a living room product that redefines people's expectations really strongly and the notion of a separate console platform will disappear.  I'm worried that the things that traditionally have been the source of a lot of innovation are going - there's going to be an attempt to close those off so somebody will say 'I'm tired of competing with Google, I'm tired of competing with Facebook, I'll apply a console model and exclude the competitors I don't like from my world.'"

He continues, commenting that Apple has the "wrong philosophical approach" in its closed model.  

He adds, "I consider Apple to be very closed.  Let's say you have a book business and you are charging 5 to 7 percent gross margins. You can't exist in an Apple world because they want 30 percent and they don't care that you only have 7 percent to play with." 

To be fair, Valve might be being a bit hypocritical here as its Steam is also a closed platform, as the interviewer challenged.  Mr. Newell brushed this question aside, saying that while Steam isn't free, Valve does offer much free engine code and other tools to developers.

David Bluhm, president and chief executive of game company Z2Live, a mobile-focused gamemaker, jumped to Apple's defense after Mr. Newell's remarks, commenting, "I would argue Apple's system is very open but very proprietary ... it's open with their rules."

Source: TechNW: Best and worst of times for games, Valve vs. Apple



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a little different
By bbcdude on 10/13/2011 1:00:43 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not trying to choose sides here......but.

Valve creates steam, an application that works on all computers (and that now includes apple). They have become popular, yes I use it for many games, and they get into a contract dispute with EA to use there service, correct so far right? But EA can sell games to use on all the computers anyway, they are just being told if you wanna distribute through steam, you have to meet their rules.

It isn't like steam is saying you can't sell products to be used on the hardware people bought without using our service, that would be wrong.......oh wait.

Steam is a service that can be used by computer owners, but it is not the exclusive way to get content for their computers. This is a huge difference from apple, who have been using a complete stranglehold on all content for their tablets and mobil units, to force everyone to either meet their rules or they are denied access to the entire platform. There is no other way to get products, but through apples store. If people can't see a difference in that, then they are actively keeping their eyes shut.

I like steam, but I also like the option to go buy a game in the store. If EA has a game I like, I can still get it. Can Iphone users still get a game apple won't sell?




RE: a little different
By ex2bot on 10/13/2011 1:40:22 PM , Rating: 2
Yes they can. They can jailbreak, if they wish.

Unlike some, I am a fan of closed systems . . . that work really, really well. Like iOS. Besides, it's not like Apple's limiting the apps too much. There are about half a million apps available. Apple wants to control the quality of the platform by approving apps. They've made a few bad decisions, such as keeping Google Voice out for quite a while. But they also reject apps that don't do what they promise.

I like Steam too. Nice to have something that's super easy to use and not a hassle. Plus low prices.


RE: a little different
By DT_Reader on 10/13/2011 3:25:13 PM , Rating: 2
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Apple wants to control the quality of the platform by approving apps.
That, and the 30% cut doesn't hurt, either.

The best reason to choose Android over iPhone or Windows Phone is that while you can go to the official Android Marketplace, you don't have to go there exclusively. I'll bet that's the #1 reason Android is beating iPhone sales.


RE: a little different
By TakinYourPoints on 10/13/2011 7:02:41 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately it is also why developer support is relatively weak. I constantly hear from cross-platform mobile developers that iOS versions sell far more than their Android counterparts. Others see what's out there with Android and they just won't touch it.

With iOS and WP7 you have a defined set of devices and a good SDK. Android has neither. The only thing holding back WP7 development at this point is the low number of users, otherwise I'd put it on parity with iOS from a developer standpoint. Cost:benefit will get there if WP7 manages to sell.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/15/john-carmack-ios-...
http://www.cultofmac.com/90397/id-software-ios-gam...

From an enterprise standpoint Android makes even less sense due to the OS having no real emphasis on security, which further reduces application development in that specific area. That's a different topic of discussion though.


RE: a little different
By bbcdude on 10/15/2011 2:19:03 PM , Rating: 2
Don't get me wrong, I'm not even saying apple doesn't have the right to do what they do. I am just saying that Valve has every right to be pissed if they get locked out of a big market. EA has the right to get mad if they get shut off steam.

I just won't buy into a closed proprietary system ever again unless there is no choice. That is my choice, and the the general consumer is very worried about it too. So far apple has allowed enough apps in that most people are content, but there have been apps kept out for no reason but to enforce apples control.

It is apples right, but it is fine line between controlling a system and alienating your customers. So far apple has done a good job of walking it without going too far over.

Steam has done nothing to cross it either.


RE: a little different
By TakinYourPoints on 10/15/2011 7:03:42 PM , Rating: 2
I completely understand where you're coming from. That said, the market has a tendency to shake itself out. Apple's application process was restrictive and it hurt them for a while with developers and customers. They loosened up policies several times and now they have by far the best app market out there. Steam making any such transgressions would also result in backlash and then adjustments.

XBox Live is an interesting case. XBox Live Arcade has very hostile certification and approval policies, and unlike iOS/Android/Mac/PC/PS3 it doesn't allow for cross-platform multiplayer. The difference is that people don't seem to have issue with this. I'm guessing its because whatever harm it causes for XBLA developers doesn't matter since most core 360 users are more concerned with playing the newest Call Of Duty or whatever. Same goes for cross-platform multiplayer since more people own 360s anyway. All that other stuff doesn't really matter as much.

Again, I get where you're coming from. I also don't think that closed-platforms can just run willy-nilly over their customers though. If they overstep lines then people will generally rebel or complain. It is happening to an extent with XBLA since those developers are favoring Windows/OSX and iOS development more and more, but again, it won't matter to Microsoft in the big picture since that is such a small concern compared to the huge numbers they get with the latest Call Of Duty or Halo game.

None of these other platforms have such massive individual titles to carry them in the same way. They rely on a variety of software that isn't necessarily exclusive, so even though they are closed they rely on being more amenable to customers.

Sorry, rambling post there. :)


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