UK Man Questioned for Photographing Daughter in Shopping Center
October 11, 2011 12:43 PM
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The photo that Chris White took of his daughter Hazel in the Braehead shopping center
(Source: BBC News)
UK citizen Chris White took his daughter, Hazel, to the Braehead shopping center near Glasgow on Friday and ran into trouble when photographing her within the mall
The U.S. has had its share of photo-related issues when police officers were
arresting citizens for videotaping or photographing them
while on duty. But a recent incident in the UK took the prohibition of photography to an entirely new level when a citizen was told he was not allowed to photograph his own daughter.
UK citizen Chris White took his daughter to the Braehead shopping center near Glasgow on Friday and ran into trouble when photographing her within the mall.
According to White, he had photographed his daughter eating an ice cream while "looking cute on the back of a Vespa seat at an ice cream bar." He had uploaded the photos to Facebook.
White was then approached by a security guard, who told him to delete the photos he had taken. The security guard also mentioned that there were signs within the establishment saying that photographs were not allowed. Apparently, employees at the ice cream bar had told security that they were suspicious of White for taking pictures at their counter, and had thought that he was also taking pictures of them.
White told the security guard that he had already sent the two photos to Facebook, and that's when the
police were called
. They took White's information and noted that they could take the mobile phone as well under the Prevention of Terrorism Act. White was then allowed to leave.
A spokesman for the Braehead shopping center assured that the police were polite about dealing with the situation, and that the matter was handled correctly.
"Our priority is always to maintain a safe and enjoyable environment for all of our shoppers and retailers," said the Braehead spokesman. "The member of our security staff acted in good faith. We have a
'no photography' policy
in the centre to protect the privacy of staff and shoppers and to have a legitimate opportunity to challenge suspicious behavior if required. However, it is not our intention to -- and we do not -- stop innocent family members taking pictures."
Superintendent George Nedley, of Renfrewshire and Inverclyde division, said a "full review" has been launched in regards to a complaint regarding White's photography incident.
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10/11/2011 6:19:22 PM
Yes I have and the APs (Air Police) at the time politely explained that the camera I was carrying on the Flight Line of RAF Woodbridge (A US fighter base in Suffolk England) was not permitted even if there was no film it it :P
#1 No armed guards at the gate ... it was about 600 yards after the gate on the way to the maintenance hangars where the airs-sea rescue helicopters were parked. The F-4s were in the same general area. The armed guards you refer to were common at SAC bases and still are on the perimeter of missile sites. Not all secure areas are locked up, many are simply watched.
#2 The mall has signs up saying NO photos. The staff at the Ice Cream stand say NO photos. At this point would a reasonable person assume photography is permitted? The mall security and local police certainly disagreed with you.
Break the mall's rules & a reasonable person SHOULD expect mall security to get involved. Invoke legal problems that mall security is not allowed to deal with & a reasonable person SHOULD expect mall security to call in backup that IS permitted to deal with the problem.
Taking pictures without permission in a location where the prohibition is posted and employees say NO is grounds for a reasonable suspicion that taking photographs might land you in legal trouble.
The way the article reads, the police were called in because the illegal photographs had been published and mall policy required police intervention due to circumstances. This is actually quite common. Private security guards have legal limits on their authority that can only be legally exceeded if they are assisting the police. Even then company policy often requires that they do not assist, merely observe and file a proper report afterward.
The company I work for has multiple levels of escalation. On site company security is normally the only ones you see ... when they require escalation due to legal limitations they can call on tribal police, city police and state police ... there have been occasions that escalation has required the FBI to deal with a security problem on the property.
Just because you like to take photos do not assume the property owner permits you to take photos.
10/12/2011 12:09:44 PM
Come on, my point wasn't about how the UK chooses to secure their air bases... the point was that a reasonable person is going to have different expectations of security on a military base than they would at an ice cream stand. You were trying to draw some sort of correlation between security at military bases and ice cream stands where none exists.
I'm also going to disagree with you that a reasonable person would understand that no photography is permitted in the mall for a few reasons:
1. There's no obvious reason why it would not be allowed (because there's not a good reason).
2. I find it unlikely that a significant percentage of people going out to shop or eat, stop and read the posted rules and regulations before entering a mall.
3. In places where one can enter and exit freely, photography is generally permitted.
4. A bit anecdotal, but, if "reasonable persons" were likely to feel that this was reasonable, it probably wouldn't have made the news.
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