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The photo that Chris White took of his daughter Hazel in the Braehead shopping center  (Source: BBC News)
UK citizen Chris White took his daughter, Hazel, to the Braehead shopping center near Glasgow on Friday and ran into trouble when photographing her within the mall

The U.S. has had its share of photo-related issues when police officers were arresting citizens for videotaping or photographing them while on duty. But a recent incident in the UK took the prohibition of photography to an entirely new level when a citizen was told he was not allowed to photograph his own daughter.

UK citizen Chris White took his daughter to the Braehead shopping center near Glasgow on Friday and ran into trouble when photographing her within the mall.

According to White, he had photographed his daughter eating an ice cream while "looking cute on the back of a Vespa seat at an ice cream bar." He had uploaded the photos to Facebook.

White was then approached by a security guard, who told him to delete the photos he had taken. The security guard also mentioned that there were signs within the establishment saying that photographs were not allowed. Apparently, employees at the ice cream bar had told security that they were suspicious of White for taking pictures at their counter, and had thought that he was also taking pictures of them.

White told the security guard that he had already sent the two photos to Facebook, and that's when the police were called. They took White's information and noted that they could take the mobile phone as well under the Prevention of Terrorism Act. White was then allowed to leave.

A spokesman for the Braehead shopping center assured that the police were polite about dealing with the situation, and that the matter was handled correctly.

"Our priority is always to maintain a safe and enjoyable environment for all of our shoppers and retailers," said the Braehead spokesman. "The member of our security staff acted in good faith. We have a 'no photography' policy in the centre to protect the privacy of staff and shoppers and to have a legitimate opportunity to challenge suspicious behavior if required. However, it is not our intention to -- and we do not -- stop innocent family members taking pictures."

Superintendent George Nedley, of Renfrewshire and Inverclyde division, said a "full review" has been launched in regards to a complaint regarding White's photography incident.

Source: BBC News



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RE: misunderstanding
By mindless1 on 10/11/2011 2:11:18 PM , Rating: 2
I tend to disagree. While it is private property, they are extending an open invitation to the public to enter.

Were there signs clearing stating taking pictures is prohibited BEFORE coming onto the property? If not, I argue that they waive their right to limit anything within the bounds of the law.

You cannot invite someone onto your property THEN (waiting to) impose your rules upon them. You can state your rules and if they refuse to comply you can ask them to leave but you CANNOT compel them to obey you further, and that most certainly does not entitle them to access your property, including doing so to delete pictures.

Yes privacy is important but that does not mean the individual gives up all their other rights in the process. There may be distinctions made between UK and US law, but in the end the only reasonable position is that you are not "god" or "owner" or "master" of someone else simply because they are on your private property. Unless. They. Agree.

You wrote "respect the people around you" but it goes both ways, you must respect those who do not wish to comply and limit yourself to legal methods of dealing with things. No law was broken, there is no right to detain someone, access their property, or demand deletion of pictures.

At most, the man should have been asked to leave. That is all.


RE: misunderstanding
By BuckinBottoms on 10/11/2011 3:47:31 PM , Rating: 1
No, there is no open invitation. That's just ignorance talking. There are laws and regulations that the local governing body has placed upon this type of business. They spell out exactly what this type of company can and cannot do and what rules they can enforce upon you.

I guarantee you the rules for this particular business are openly posted and available to the public for viewing. A company like this has spent a great deal of time and energy with their lawyers and posted rules for the property that you must abide by.

Ignorance of the law and the rules of private property like this one is NEVER an excuse.


RE: misunderstanding
By Reclaimer77 on 10/11/2011 3:49:39 PM , Rating: 2
Oh I see. Hey it's a law, so nobody should question it.

Welcome to 1984, England.


RE: misunderstanding
By BuckinBottoms on 10/11/2011 4:34:41 PM , Rating: 2
Just wait till they put the shackles and chains on you. Then you can complain. ;)

Look I know you are spastic so I will say that I fully understand your point of view. I'm not one of these mentally challenged 30 year olds with a 13 year old mental capacity. I understand the police pushed it way too far here insinuating terrorist nonsense. It was wrong of them to do so. They should be punished, but that doesn't mean we can go out and force our own beliefs onto someone elses private property. There are two sides to this story.


RE: misunderstanding
By Fritzr on 10/11/2011 6:34:23 PM , Rating: 2
Be glad its not 1884 England ... a similar offense might have meant jail time or if the judge was in a bad mood and the prosecutor having a good day, transport or death.


RE: misunderstanding
By mindless1 on 10/11/2011 9:53:09 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, YES IT IS an open invitation for everyone to enter, they advertise to entice NEW customers as well as existing ones.

A governing body cannot past laws about what a business can or cannot do that repeal the national laws and personal rights!

Yes the business can make a rule that no pictures are allowed. If you do not follow that rule they can ask you to leave.

You are ignorant of the law. A business rule is NOT LAW. Ignorance of a business rule is not only acceptable, it is entirely normal and inevitable. You most definitely do not know the entirety of all rules of every business you have ever been to, so it is laughable that you can't grasp the difference between a legislative body making what is LAW, and a snarky business that has no right to govern over you.

Sorry buddy but you just don't get it. Walking onto someone's property does not make you their slave. They can ask you to leave, they can report any legal offense to police and detain you with probably cause that a LAW was broken, but what they cannot do is impose a rule and declare you are their puppet except for asking you to leave their property.

Get it yet? If it is not illegal to take pictures, without having broken a law, the most anyone can do is have you leave the private property or call law enforcement to have you removed from the property.

You seem to be suggesting there is a law that states that if you are on someone's private property, you can wait until they are on that property then command them like a puppet. Wrong.


RE: misunderstanding
By mindless1 on 10/11/2011 9:56:33 PM , Rating: 2
... and in case you didn't get it yet, the whole reason this made the news is how ridiculous and wrong it is. If they had done the right thing and only asked him to leave it would have been normal, commonplace, and acceptable to the majority even if it seemed a mean spirited way to run a business.


RE: misunderstanding
By BuckinBottoms on 10/11/2011 10:35:55 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently you don't get it and so what anyway, a lot of ridiculous crap happens. The only reason this makes news is because its political which this site was never meant to go near to begin with.

Of course if the guy just followed some simple rules to begin with none of this would have happened, so how ridiculous is he? But noooo, he had to do what he wanted to in a place that didn't belong to him and then start distributing his photos of a private establishment on the web. As far as we know he probably popped off with an attitude when asked to knock it off by the security guards instead of deleting a stupid photo, which is why the police were called in.

You assume they got arrogant with the man first. All they wanted was the guy to delete the photos. Could have just as well let him go about his way and continue to stay in the establishment and enjoy the place after removing the photos. Then again he could just as well been some pompous moron spouting off how he could do whatever the heck he wanted to in someone elses place cause he felt like it.

The lesson here is when you are in someone elses establishment you should probably conduct yourself like a guest, just as you would expect them to abide by your rules if they were guest in your home.


RE: misunderstanding
By mindless1 on 10/12/2011 9:27:56 PM , Rating: 2
... and if someone doesn't act like a guest you ask them to leave, it doesn't give you the right to search, confiscate, or demand they destroy their OWN PROPERTY.

I can't imagine what you "think" live would be like if you were right. Fortunately you aren't.

You walk onto someone property and all they can do is ask you to leave. They cannot command you to do anything else, their only other option is call the police and detain you till police arrive. Anything else is a criminal act by the property holder.

If you don't understand that's ok by me. Owning property does not mean you own anyone that wanders onto the property and if you don't own them you do not control what they do except to have them leave.

I tell ya what, post your address and I'll find some way to trick you to come over to my place, and I'll post some hidden "rule" somewhere that you didn't know about, then once you have broken that rule I'll confiscate your belongings, and force you be my butler for a couple years because you broke my MAGIC RULE.

lol... the world doesn't work like that, owning property means you control the property, NOT someone you invite onto it.


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