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RIM is the biggest loser, yet again, dropping on a unit sales and market share basis

It's that time per quarter again and Comscore has delivered its latest update for the state of U.S. mobile phone market.  The study looks at total market share, both on a per-platform and per-manufacturer basis, based on a survey of 30,000 U.S. adults.  Note total market share (this study) is different than recent adopter market share (which has been published elsewhere, e.g. in Nielsen Mobile's recent report).

When it comes to platforms, there are few surprises here.  Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android continues to post impressive growth reaching 43.7 percent of U.S. smartphones -- up from 38.1 percent in October.  And Apple, Inc. (AAPL) continues to outpace the general market growth too, albeit growing slower than Google.  Its iPhone hit 27.3 percent market share, up from 26.6 percent in May.

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[Source: ComScore]

The biggest loser in smartphone crowd -- continuing its trail of losses -- is Waterloo, Ontario-based Research in Motion, Ltd. (TSE:RIM), which dropped from 24.7 percent to 19.7 percent (notably, also a drop on a unit (!) basis).  The defunct Symbian platform from Finland's Nokia Oyj. (HEL:NOK1V) also posted a drop -- a relatively predictable result as the company looks to phase in Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) Windows Phone 7 OS across its lineup.

Speaking of Microsoft, the Redmond, Washington operating systems giant managed to hang on to most of its market share dropping only from 5.8 percent to 5.7 percent, despite laggard sales of its flagship Windows Phone 7 platform.

This indicates that Microsoft actually grew its deployment in units, as overall Comscore says smartphones jumped to 84.5 million units in the wild in the U.S. -- up 10 percent from a quarter before.

When it comes to overall mobile deployment on a per-manufacturer basis, Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (SEO:005930) continues to reign supreme, growing from 24.8 percent in May to 25.3 percent in August of smartphone and non-smartphone sales.  The rest of the rankings looking familiar -- LG Electronics (SEO:066570) in second, Google's recently acquired Motorola unit in third, Apple in fourth, and RIM in fifth.  Those rankings are identical to previous ones published by ComScore in August.

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[Source: ComScore]

Looking ahead Microsoft just deployed Windows Phone 7.5 "Mango"; Google is about to unleash Android 3.5 "Ice Cream Sandwich"; Apple is about to drop iOS 5 and the iPhone 4S; and RIM is slowly going to phase QNX across its smart phone lineup.

Source: ComScore



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RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/12/2011 5:04:28 PM , Rating: 2
Well if I say I'd bet on RIM worldwide market share not dwindling and QNX handset sales not shrinking, will you be afraid to take the bet?
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We're both looking at the same charts depending on when you start it you could say it went up or down
Yeah, I can see RIM market share went down first and then it went up after that, but I still can't understand why are you ignoring the "went up" parts of the graph, why are you only focusing on "went down" parts?


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/12/2011 5:25:18 PM , Rating: 2
"Well if I say I'd bet on RIM worldwide market share not dwindling and QNX handset sales not shrinking, will you be afraid to take the bet? "

I am not sure exactly what you mean. There are currently no QNX phones, so how could that shrink or grow? I mean this... Worldwide , overall, counting the entire globe (not any one particular region) - marketshare will go down steadily and by this time next year, RIM sales, production, sell through, everything will show the decline as well.


RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/13/2011 10:37:56 AM , Rating: 2
Like I said above, I'd agree with you if the charts you showed me demonstrated that RIM marketshare went down recently in ALL regions of the world. Since this is not the case, and since marketshare in some regions like Europe actually WENT UP ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN CHARTS , the same old question still stands that you seem to NEVER answer: why are you contradicting THE TREND DATA FROM YOUR OWN REGIONAL MARKETSHARE CHART YOU SHOWED ME YESTERDAY? I mean this one: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-C0v3m33DrRQ/Tn4XWRunqII/...

Well this one you'll never be able to answer I think. Looks like I caught ya at last hehe :)


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 10:53:40 AM , Rating: 2
Down overall is what I am saying it will show. Take the bet, come on, put your money where your mouth is (of course, just a pride bet). I am saying by this time next year the downturn will be unhideable. Take it if your so sure.


RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/13/2011 11:34:10 AM , Rating: 2
You still haven't answered how come overall marketshare for the whole world will be down if right now in some regions of the world like Europe the marketshare is actually growing.

If some regions are growing maybe overall worldwide marketshare will also grow with them? Why do you think this is impossible?


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 12:01:19 PM , Rating: 2
Come on, we have been going back and forth for a while on this and i KNOW your are not a stupid person. I know you can understand what the word "total" means. I mean overall, its down. If you add it all together all regions as if the earth is one single market, its down and trending deeper down.

I don't think its impossible for their marketshare to grow. If they release something great that people want it can grow dramatically. But that doesnt seem to be happening with Lazaridis and Balsillie is severe denial just like you are.


RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/13/2011 12:04:32 PM , Rating: 2
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I mean overall, its down
Where's the chart that proves it?


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 12:22:34 PM , Rating: 2
Dood, you are not that dense. US is the largest market and it USED to be for RIM until it went way the hell down. I'd ask you to do some quick mental math in your head and figure why dropping from 55% in the US trumps the small gains in smaller markets but you want to ignore that.

Just put up or shut up. Lets do that bet, or are you afraid. Its not for any money, just for "I told you so" rights. By October next year, there wont be any way to hide behind creative data reporting and "pick and choose" facts. It will be down all over, and undeniable. Come on, stand behind what you say or STFU.


RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/13/2011 12:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
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why dropping from 55% in the US trumps the small gains in smaller markets
It may be now, but 1) the market for smartphones globally is still growing and will grow for many years, 2) RIM market share is growing outside of US as well. Given these two trends it's pretty hard to believe you, because these two trends contradict your grim predictions.


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 12:48:58 PM , Rating: 2
Then put up or shut up. Lets do that bet, or are you afraid. Its not for any money, just for "I told you so" rights. By October next year, there wont be any way to hide behind creative data reporting and "pick and choose" facts. It will be down all over, and undeniable. Come on, stand behind what you say or STFU.


RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/13/2011 1:49:12 PM , Rating: 2
Explain how you are going to deal with those two trends above that contradict your predictions or shut up.


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 2:22:00 PM , Rating: 2
Its not my issue to deal with. put up or shut up. Lets do that bet, or are you afraid?


RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/13/2011 2:56:05 PM , Rating: 2
Even if it's not your issue you still have to deal with it for your predictions to look more plausible than they are now. If you can't tell me how these two trends are not going to buck your supposed global market share drop, this means you are afraid about the validity of your predictions. Why would I bet with a guy who can't even explain why and how his predictions are going to buck the current trends? Those trends contradict your predictions and you afraid to deal with it? Can't expect me to bet then eh :) Deal with your fear first.


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 3:12:01 PM , Rating: 2
This is pointless, we have both said our piece again and again and disagree. I think RIM is headed downhill fast, and you think they are OK. There is nothing left to do but see what happens, so let’s do that bet, or are you afraid? It’s not for any money, just for "I told you so" rights.
The bet: By October next year, there won’t be any way to hide behind creative data reporting and "pick and choose" facts. RIM’s numbers will be down all over, sales, marketshare, everything everywhere and it will be undeniable.

Come on, stand behind what you say or just shut up.


RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/13/2011 3:26:14 PM , Rating: 2
I can't bet because I don't have full picture of the situation. When I ask you questions to clarify that picture you avoid answering. Until you answer me - I can't bet. Because I don't bet on my beliefs, I bet on facts only.


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 3:28:26 PM , Rating: 2
What needs clarification? It seems pretty simple to me.

The bet: By October next year, there won’t be any way to hide behind creative data reporting and "pick and choose" facts. RIM’s numbers will be down all over, sales, marketshare, everything everywhere and it will be undeniable.

Come on, stand behind what you say or just shut up.


RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/13/2011 3:33:27 PM , Rating: 2
I need clarification about this: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=22938...

I gave you two trends that contradict your predictions and you never answered the question: why do you think that these trends won't matter?


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 3:35:11 PM , Rating: 2
This is pointless, we have both said our piece again and again and disagree. I think RIM is headed downhill fast, and you think they are OK. There is nothing left to do but see what happens, so let’s do that bet, or are you afraid? It’s not for any money, just for "I told you so" rights.
The bet: By October next year, there won’t be any way to hide behind creative data reporting and "pick and choose" facts. RIM’s numbers will be down all over, sales, marketshare, everything everywhere and it will be undeniable.

Come on, stand behind what you say or just shut up.


RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/13/2011 3:53:39 PM , Rating: 2
I don't bet on my beliefs, I bet on facts only, and facts depend on your answers which you still hide. I mean answers to questions here: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=22938...


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 3:57:13 PM , Rating: 2
What answers? I we are both looking at the same data available on the internet in the same links we both looked at. There is nothing for me to hide, I just see the available data and I say RIM is on the precipice of a steep fall. There is nothing left to say or do.

Obviously you are afraid to take the bet, because you know you are wrong and RIM is in trouble eh Pirks? If not, take the bet.


RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/13/2011 4:04:51 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously you are afraid to answer my questions at http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=22938... because you know you are wrong about your grim predictions and RIM can actually grow its market share eh retro? If not, answer my questions.


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 4:08:06 PM , Rating: 2
There is no answer but to see what happens with RIM. Come on, stand behind what you say or just shut up.


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 4:14:54 PM , Rating: 2
OK, I agree lets keep it here in this one thread... http://www.dailytech.com/Jaguar+Gets+Support+for+R...


RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/13/2011 4:16:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
stand behind what you say
Are you afraid to answer my questions at http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=22938... because you can't stand behind what you say?


RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 4:19:12 PM , Rating: 2
Let's not keep this 3 thread thing, its giving me a headache. I answered it in the Jaguar thread. Lets keep it there sice its one conversation http://www.dailytech.com/Jaguar+Gets+Support+for+R...

If I am not answering the right question there, please re-ask it so I know what info you are looking for. I will be happy to answer.


RE: Not surprising...
By Pirks on 10/13/2011 4:23:19 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Not surprising...
By retrospooty on 10/13/2011 4:39:06 PM , Rating: 2
Answered in the Jaguar thread.


"This is about the Internet.  Everything on the Internet is encrypted. This is not a BlackBerry-only issue. If they can't deal with the Internet, they should shut it off." -- RIM co-CEO Michael Lazaridis














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