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Google is growing the fastest in the smart phone market, while RIM and Microsoft continue to bleed market share.  (Source: Nielsen)

  (Source: BGR)
Apple holds steady as it waits for launch of new iPhone

In a survey of "recent acquirers" of smartphones, market research firm Nielsen Mobile finds that Google, Inc. (GOOG) continues to eat everyone's lunch -- particularly Waterloo, Ontario-based Research In Motion, Ltd. (TSE:RIM) and Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft Corp. (MSFT).

In July, Nielsen placed the market share of Google's Android OS in the U.S. at 38 percent.  Three months later, for the period ending in August, Nielsen finds that Android has risen to 43 percent of all active U.S. smart phones, a gain of five points.  More importantly, among those who bought their phones in June, July, or August, Google had a formidable 56 percent market share.

Don Kellogg, Nielsen Director of Telecom Research & Insights, says this recent adopter figure is particularly important.  He 
comments [press release], "The preferences of these so-called "recent acquirers" are important as they are often a leading indicator of where the market is going."

If correct, the market appears to be going towards Google and away from RIM and Microsoft.  Overall RIM is clinging to an 18 percent market share while others (mostly Microsoft) hold a remaining 11 percent.  However, in the last three months only 9 percent of buyers chose BlackBerry handsets (RIM) and only 6 percent chose "other" (a Windows Phone) handset.

Apple, Inc. (
AAPL) held steady -- it had a 28 percent market share at present, and in the last three months precisely 28 percent of buyers, according to Nielsen, bought iPhones.  In other words Microsoft and RIM are either stagnate or slightly shrinking in unit sales, Apple is growing unit sales at the same rate as the overall growth of the smart phone market, while Google is growing faster than the overall market.

Nielsen cautions that Apple's apparent stagnation is likely more a side effect of lacking new hardware.  Writes Mr. Kellogg, "Every time Apple launches a new iPhone or makes it available on a new wireless carrier, there is an increase in their sales."

Apple is expected to 
drop its fifth generation iPhone model at a special event next Tuesday.

The study also reveals smart phone uptake 
continuing to rise.  Overall at the end of August, only 43 percent of U.S. phone customers had a smartphone.  In the last three months, though, smartphone purchases have risen to 56 percent of total purchases, as sales of feature phones continue to shrink.



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RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 9:10:55 AM , Rating: 2
What do the OS7 devices have that all other phones havent had forthe past 3 years? Anything new? I highly doubt it.


RE: old trends, future trends
By boneflute on 9/28/11, Rating: 0
RE: old trends, future trends
By Mitch101 on 9/28/2011 9:47:43 AM , Rating: 3
Most stable Phone OS
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phones/microsofts-w...

Android
Out of the six modern smartphone operating systems, Android is clearly the least stable of them all. - I SECOND THAT STATEMENT MY WIFES CLEAN ANDROID PHONE REQUIRES BATTERY PULL ONCE A MONTH.

Windows Phone 7
Zero! That is how many times I have seen a reset on ANY Windows Phone 7 device that I have been using in over a year. During that time I have used at least six WP7 devices on all four wireless carriers.

Remote Control Home Server and Unlimited data storage or 25 gig free in the cloud

Wireless Sync - After 10 minute charge syncs with my PC never needs to be tethered.

X-Box Integration and they are adding more items as time goes on - See the kinect demo with Windows Phone.

Microsoft Office - The number one thing people wish the iPad/iPhone had in the corporate space.

Microsoft Sharepoint beyond read - Managers can check out documents get on a place make some changes and check back in documents all other devices can only read. Many more options being added here.

Thats just off the top of the head without writing a full article on why its the best phone just not the most popular.

Apple/Android are just crippled in the work environment they dont have the level of active sync that Microsoft products have and never will.


RE: old trends, future trends
By hadrons on 9/28/11, Rating: -1
RE: old trends, future trends
By NellyFromMA on 9/28/2011 11:05:33 AM , Rating: 3
Lol, I personally find this to be a bias-raging statement but, for educations sake, can you please tell me what Android can do that Windows Phone can't? Btw, Mango's now available FYI. So please, lets compare the latest 2.x Android distros (your pick) vs. Windows Phone 7.5.

This should be interesting....


RE: old trends, future trends
By robinthakur on 9/28/11, Rating: 0
RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/28/2011 12:38:06 PM , Rating: 3
So Lion's available, so what? All 2 of you that bought Mac computers (you and Tony Swash) can update already and be happy that you know better than 99.998% of the rest of the market.


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 12:43:55 PM , Rating: 2
CAnt defend RIM, so evade by bringin in something totally off topic again. ITs not a MAC article. Try to say something at least relevant to the topic.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/28/2011 12:53:34 PM , Rating: 2
No way man, I gonna torture ya again! Deal with it.

Besides robinthakur's posts about his ancient RIM device no one cares about are getting way too trolley even for this forum. I think when you troll you have to adhere to some ethics, to look like a smart troll at least. robinthakur's trolling violates this rule, his posts are too monotonous and too dumb, so why not spank him and teach him a lesson? You shouldn't mind.

If he stops trolling and starts making smarter posts after my lessons - we both gain from this. Got it?


RE: old trends, future trends
By Murst on 9/28/2011 12:54:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Try to say something at least relevant to the topic.


That's pretty funny. You start trolling, yet can't handle it when someone does the same to you...


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 1:18:28 PM , Rating: 2
Trolling ? What ?

Someone posted that BB OS7 devices are out and may change the next marketshare figures. I asked what they can do that the others (IOS and Android) don't already do, and it was inferred that OS7 devices have 2x the battery power and run 4x faster which is preposterous.

How is that not relevant to the topic? Bringing in Mac/Lion is not relevant to the topic.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Murst on 9/28/2011 2:07:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Trolling ? What ?

quote:
All 2 of you that bought Windows phones (you and Mitch101) can update already and be happy that you know better than 99.998% of the rest of the market.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Murst on 9/28/2011 2:09:18 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm... also, my bad... your names are very similar :) I thought u were the one who made the comment referenced above.


RE: old trends, future trends
By boneflute on 9/28/2011 12:54:40 PM , Rating: 2
Just WHO brought Mac into discussion?
And why would RIM need a defence? From whom?


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 1:03:06 PM , Rating: 2
"Just WHO brought Mac into discussion?"

Uh, read above. Someone was commenting on Windows update and small amount of people that even bought Windows 7 phones. Pirks changed the working and made it not Win7/Mango but MAC/Lion.

"And why would RIM need a defence? From whom? "

I really dont know. Any time any article is posted here showing true stats that show RIM in a negative light (which by the way they are in real trouble). Pirks jumps in trying to convince the world that RIM's ship isnt sinking. I dont know why, I just try to point out how wrong it is.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Murst on 9/28/2011 12:43:02 PM , Rating: 4
I use WP7, and there's plenty that can be done on android that can't be done on WP7.

For example, you can pretty much change out any component of Android, where in WP7, you're stuck with what MS gives you.

That isn't bad for people who like the native WP7 look and behavior (like myself), but it isn't for everyone.

Every major OS out there does something unique. Saying that there's an OS out there that can do everything is silly. Many things that people consider features are also mutually exclusive. Some people might consider a closed, fixed ecosystem like iOS or WP7 as a benefit because it guarantees familiarity and (probably) simplicity. However, other people may consider the ability to customize everything a huge benefit. You can't have both, yet both are "features".


RE: old trends, future trends
By V-Money on 9/29/2011 12:59:40 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
for educations sake, can you please tell me what Android can do that Windows Phone can't?


Well, for starters, Android can sell phones :-)


RE: old trends, future trends
By NellyFromMA on 10/3/2011 4:52:31 PM , Rating: 2
Lol. While interesting, I learned nothing. Well, nothing other than there are some seriously opinionated people here that likely drown out the larger group of people who are actually somewhat same or at the very least interested in actual discussion lol.

Here's what I'm left with. Is Android more 'customizable' than Windows 7? Yes. What does that mean for me? Nothing but frustration, typically due to buginess of low quality apps.

Do you need 3-4 messaging apps or just a really good one? That's an opinion I guess, but for me, overwhelmingly I just need one. I don't want my phone to substitute for a PC. The form factor of my Incredible is too small to do any real work on. Does it play my music? Yes. Does it crash a lot? Yes.

The experience as a whole I think is going to be much better on a larger basis than Android will be. Android is winning sort of by default, which hey, thats great...

Some people get something out of having a million apps that probably do mostly the same thing but vary slightly, idk. It just doesn't appeal to me. When the form factor isn't all that great.

Even the Android tablets are sort of yawn inducing to me functionality/value-wise.

Just my two cents.


RE: old trends, future trends
By sorry dog on 9/28/2011 10:50:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Thats just off the top of the head without writing a full article on why its the best phone just not the most popular.


That's great and all, but the problem I have with a Windows phone is that work gave me HTC Touch Pro 2 with Windows Mobile 5 and it is easily the most user unfriendly phone I've ever had the displeasure of using. WM7 may be so great it does my homework for me, but I doubt because of how bad WM5 was and that wasn't that long ago...and looks like other people feel the same way.

...And the other factor is that most people buying a smart phone sign a two year contract. When they are in the store or talking to a rep, they often haven't done much research on it so which way the Verizon store dude steers them is what they will probably get...and there are a lot more android phones and they a going to be viewed by customer as a less risky choice since lots of other people have them. The Blackberry brand has lost this part of its image, and Windows Mobile never had it. It will be very hard for either to recapture this momentum.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Mitch101 on 9/28/2011 11:11:26 AM , Rating: 3
I can see why your put off but Windows Mobile 5 <> Windows Mobile 7 <> Windows Mobile 7.5

Windows Mobile 5? that's like still using Windows 3.1 and not wanting to go to Windows XP because of how bad ME is.

What century is your company in to be using Windows Phone 5? The cutoff on the ancient mobile os before the rewrite was 6.5.

Seriously Windows Mobile 5? Thats like first gen iPod compared to today?


RE: old trends, future trends
By Reclaimer77 on 9/28/2011 3:13:22 PM , Rating: 2
Not saying you're necessarily wrong or anything, but don't you think the sample size you are using that consists of you and your wife is maybe slightly myopic?


RE: old trends, future trends
By Mitch101 on 9/28/2011 6:15:03 PM , Rating: 2
I support an entire corporate mobile platform of 3500+ mobile devices mostly blackberry, iPhone, and Android.

I think I can speak on whats the best mobile device.


RE: old trends, future trends
By nocturne_81 on 9/29/2011 8:18:39 AM , Rating: 2
Missing the point..

Take Windows vs Mac..

With Windows, you have a platform that supports hundreds of oem's products with literally millions of possible hardware setup combinations; not to mention peripheral device and software support ranging back to the early 90s. Arguably, Windows is beautifully put together -- as best as it possibly could. It's hardly MS's fault if they release a security update that screws 50 users out of millions, you just happen to have a specific combination that causes an incredibly rare problem, or, quite frankly, you don't know what the hell you are doing.

With Mac, everything is incredibly restricted. Only a handful of products exist which they have to provide support for. They also have the muscle to force OEM's to create products exactly by their design. They even control what type of code can be used to compile a program for a Mac. If Mac doesn't want your software or hardware on their systems -- too bad! All this makes it an incredibly easy platform to maintain, so you don't suffer those 1 in a million type bugs. In the meantime, though.. you can't exactly do everything you may want to with the product you purchased -- even modifying it can result in yourself getting sued.

It's the same in the mobile market. RIM is the only one that makes BB devices -- so hopefully they all work. Same goes for iOS devices.. Meanwhile, Android is in the same boat as Windows, though possibly compounding that is the fact that it's mostly open source.

As for WP7.. well, you say you've used 6 devices in the last year.. so, isn't that all of them..? I couldn't even name 6 WP7 devices.. As for what you can't do, last time I checked there wasn't any app available on WP7 that offers a fully functional ssh client.. though, I hear this is changing with the mango update. Besides that, I can't think of any possible use for any smartphone outside of maintaining an inflated feeling of self importance..


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 9:49:58 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... Too funny. really, your specs arent posted anywhere I have seen. I wonder where you got them.

The battery last 2x longer than the best Android phones and its 4x faster than iphone?

Wow, I really want one of these fantasy Blackberries now. I hope the good fairy will deliver.


RE: old trends, future trends
By boneflute on 9/28/2011 11:37:23 AM , Rating: 2
Browser speed, engadget review:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/16/blackberry-bold...
SunSpider JavaScript benchmark - BB Bold clocked in a very good 2,648ms
hTC's dual-core G2x finished in 4,149.5ms while the Sensation 4G took a longer 6256.3ms.

also, it jives with another measurement, from May 2011:
http://www.gsmarena.com/blackberry_os_7_browser_be...

You can look up iPhone, it's over 10,000 ms, depends on the tester. Here the Nexus is found twice as fast as the iPhone4
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/07/androi...

So basically the benchmarks are 2,648ms -- 4,149.5ms -- 10,902 for Bold--fastestAndroid--iPhone4.
Not bad, with a smaller battery and half of hTC's CPU.


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 1:05:02 PM , Rating: 2
There is a whole ton of things that can effect that... You cant just read one or 2 reviews and get a picture of what's real. Congrats to RIM for finally catching up though. I think its too little too late though.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/28/2011 1:24:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You cant just read one or 2 reviews and get a picture of what's real
Not in case though when those reviews are anti-RIM. Then you will be all over them posting links happily and crying about RIM ship sinking and what not.

But god forbid these reviews shed positive light on RIM devices, you immediately start singing that old "can't trust those 1 or 2 reviews yet" song :))) I can see through ya double standards dude, no need to hide 'em eh :P hehehe


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 1:29:44 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed... One or 2 reviews to either side dont paint a full picture. I have posted reviews, and so have you. I garantee if you search for reviews you will find alow more that support a negative view of RIM than positive. You also have the 7x stock drop in the past 3 years, and plummeting marketshare figures.

Good luck with that.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/28/2011 2:21:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I guarantee if you search for reviews you will find a lot more that support a negative view of RIM than positive
I guarantee if you search for iPhone reviews you will find a lot more that support a positive view of Apple than negative.

Does it mean though that the iPhone is the best smartphone in the world?

Does it mean YOU will buy it?

Tough questions eh retro :))) Let's see how you gonna wiggle out of this one hehehe ;)


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 2:26:27 PM , Rating: 2
None of it means anything... Whatever... You keep on trying to convince people that RIM is doing great. Good luck with that and RIM' 7x dumping stock price in 3 years, dwindling marketshare, obsolete pay per user service and boring tiny screen phones with poor apps.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/28/2011 2:40:03 PM , Rating: 2
To all the anti-Apple trolls here:

You keep on trying to convince people that Apple is doomed. Good luck with that and Apple's 70x rising stock price in 10 years, rising marketshare, modern pay per song music store and cool large screen phones with the best apps ever.


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 2:43:53 PM , Rating: 2
oh, good point, now that you put it that way I see you are correct. RIM is not in any trouble at all. =)


RE: old trends, future trends
By boneflute on 9/28/2011 1:29:04 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think so (that it's too little too late). I think this is just copy-paste off the net.
So this is why I said I'd like to see the same chart in 3 and in 6 months from now.

I must admit, I am not 100% neutral in this, I like open standards, and Mr. Fruit doesn't.
They would do anything to stop HTML5 and push their API, so they can charge 30%. Could one imagine a world parallel with our 90's where the only way to get an application to run on Windows were an M$ app store and where MS cut 30% ?!? How anal-retentive is this?

So I really hope RIM pulled their act together and deliver the stuff. If the PlayBook will run linux binaries I might even get one :-)


RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/28/2011 1:45:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If the PlayBook will run linux binaries I might even get one
Playbook will run Android apps and Android is Linux, so there you go


RE: old trends, future trends
By elderwilson on 9/28/2011 1:52:41 PM , Rating: 2
LG makes the G2x not HTC


RE: old trends, future trends
By nocturne_81 on 9/29/2011 7:59:49 AM , Rating: 2
One benchmark.. and the outdated g2x and sensation as comparison..

"See that old lady with the walker over there..? I think I could take her.."


RE: old trends, future trends
By Omega215D on 9/28/2011 9:50:45 AM , Rating: 2
That's just not true because I did a trial with the Blackberry Bold 9930 with BBOS7 and internet browsing was still slower than that of Android, iOS, and WP7.

Battery life is the usual long BB battery life but other than that nothing much has really changed. There are some really useful apps on my android phone that aren't available on BB and web browsing is important to me for both work and downtime. I couldn't care less about games.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Omega215D on 9/28/2011 9:56:18 AM , Rating: 2
I'm going to elaborate. Both phones were running on Verizon and both were on EVDO (Android phones were Thunderbolt and Droid Incredible 2). I visited the same sites in the same area.

I would like to compliment RIM on making Blackberry phones with nice looking screens, nice keyboards, bright notification LEDs and loud ringers. Call quality though is soft and a bit low on volume.


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 10:17:08 AM , Rating: 2
I just looked up some quick specs on battery life (talk time).

Droid Bionic - 10.8 hours
Droid 3 - 9.16 hours
BB 9850 new OS7 phone - 6.8 hours
BB9860 new OS7 phone - 6.2 hours

I think Boneflute is smoking the same crap that RIM's management is (the very management that is running them into the ground BTW)


RE: old trends, future trends
By boneflute on 9/28/2011 11:34:19 AM , Rating: 2
yeah, right, 10.8 hours for which droid?
did also you try to browse :-)? write emails?
just pick up the first review that comes out in search, they all say that the it won't last through the day unless you have a spare battery

for BB take this one for example:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/16/blackberry-bold...

"[Running] our intensive battery drain test the phone delivered an equally impressive 8.5 hours. (For reference, the QWERTY HTC Status managed just 3.5 hours on the same test.)"

This is why the RIM Torch only needs a 1,270 mAh battery, while for instance HTC Sensation 4G has a 1520 mAh battery, your Bionic has 1735 mAh and the laughable Droid needs 2600 mAh.
Of course, if one is to measure only talk time the RIM advantage diminishes, but it's still there.

Browser speed, from the same engadget review:
SunSpider JavaScript benchmark - BB Bold clocked in a very good 2,648ms
hTC's dual-core G2x finished in 4,149.5ms while the Sensation 4G took a longer 6256.3ms.

also, it jives with this:
http://www.gsmarena.com/blackberry_os_7_browser_be...

You can look up iPhone, it's over 10,000 ms, depends on the tester. Here the Nexus is found twice as fast as the iPhone4
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/07/androi...

So basically the benchmarks are 2,648ms -- 4,149.5ms -- 10,902 for Bold--fastestAndroid--iPhone4.
Not bad, with a smaller battery and half of hTC's CPU.

Ok, this is it, the info is there for he who wants to know.

My 2c:
Don't believe what the WS-affiliated media spreads (mainly by copy-paste), just go and test one for yourself.

Just because Apple doesn't like standards (they will do anything in their power to stop HTML5) and Google is trying to "pull a Microsoft" in the mobile space that doesn't mean that RIM is making bad devices.


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 12:42:39 PM , Rating: 2
Hi Pirks's new online ID, nice to meet you.

Anyhow, back to reality. My point is that RIM's single core 1.2 ghz CPU isnt faster than most Droid's dual core 1 and 1.2 ghz CPU's and neither is the browsing. Most reviews show RIM's OS 7 devices as equal or slower, not better, and not better battery life.

In the absolute best light possible, RIM phones are catching up, but its not going to be enough.


RE: old trends, future trends
By boneflute on 9/28/2011 12:59:11 PM , Rating: 2
hya, retrospooty,

"Most reviews show" ... care for a reference?
I gave you three showing the opposite (namely that BB OS7 is faster than the fastest Android, while the iOS is in the dust)

My point exactly was that OS7 browses faster on a slower processor. This for the ones that were hallucinating things like "RIM can't write software".

and who tf is Pirks?
Or do you think there is only one person on the planet that can say anything remotely positive on BB?


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 1:12:01 PM , Rating: 2
I think there are 2 brand new ID's here that just started posting and they sound an aweful lot like Pirks =)

quick links....

http://www.bgr.com/2011/09/07/blackberry-torch-985...
"Unfortunately, because BlackBerry OS 7 is so far behind the pack, the Torch 9850 simply can’t compete."

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/open-letter-...
"Open letter to RIM: New BlackBerrys offer little excitement"

http://www.pcworld.com/article/238123/blackberry_7...
"BlackBerry 7 OS adds much-needed performance boosts and cool features such as NFC and augmented reality, but RIM is mostly playing catch-up with this release."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393083,00.as...
"While BlackBerry 7 is RIM's best smartphone effort yet, it pales in comparison to what today's Android and iOS devices offer; QNX can't come soon enough."


RE: old trends, future trends
By boneflute on 9/28/2011 1:36:12 PM , Rating: 2
Man, I posted numbers, not WS-filler.

While I am not one to say that all "hand-waving reviewing" is to be sourced to WS stock manipulation I still root for numbers and independent thought.

I recommend everybody to go out and try the devices themselves, while the typical fanboi is asking you to take his word for it, the iphone (or whatever) is better... etc.


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 1:50:59 PM , Rating: 2
I have tried OS7 in a wireless store. It OK, I just dont see what it brings to the game - its sort of catching up. I actually did check out QNX, not on a device, but reading up on it. It does look promising, I would like to try it out and hope it does well. More competition is always good.

Not sure if it's true but I read somewhere that it wont work properly with BES and it will force RIM to support EAS like all other phones do and have for years, so if that is true its a good thing for RIM, but something tells me they will muck it up. We will have to wait and see.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/28/2011 2:28:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I would like to try it out and hope it does well
Wah! You haven't tried Playbook yet! Hehe, no wonder you're trolling anti-RIM BS so much. Lotsa people who never tried Playbook do ;)


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 6:43:07 PM , Rating: 2
Dood, I am not anti-RIM, I just totally disagree with you on the direction they are headed. I haven't seen any positivity coming from them, just denial, They are lagging bad. I really dont want them to fail, I just see them failing. If they do not then it is better for all of us. Mmore phone options keeps things in check. It gives carriers more options for us, and less leverage to push us. It also makes the other manufacturers keep on thier toes with products and prices. Competition is good. If I have any distaste for RIM it is because they arent providing much competition and they should be

Now, if QNX changes that I am more than happy. I hope it does. Another good OS just gives us all more options nad forces the rest to raise thier games get it?

Serious question. I read somewhere that QNX wont work with RIM's current BES/push email service and that they will have to go EAS like everyone else when QNX comes to thier phones. Any truth to that?


RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/29/2011 11:02:53 AM , Rating: 2
Can't say yes or no, I heard these rumors too but I doubt RIM will take such a risk.

On the other hand they took a big risk releasing Playbook too fast, with some functionality missing.

So, judging by their Playbook debut I think they may take another risk again and make their QNX phone kinda consumer-only with some enterprise stuff like everyone else has, maybe they will provide large 4.1" screen, full touch, no keyboard, and a sweet mini-Playbook like AKA WebOS like GUI... I heard these rumors too.

If you are right about enterprise dropping BES then it's likely their QNX phone will drop BES.

But the ever growing number or RIM subscribers proves you wrong, i.e. it proves enterprise is not yet dropping BES as you insist.

In this case they are likely to withhold QNX phone release until they make BES stuff working.

Alternatively they could just release QNX phone as fast as possible and add features like BES in updates later. I think this is the most likely scenario because this is what Apple and MS did. I'm pretty sure RIM will follow in their steps here.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Omega215D on 9/29/2011 6:13:39 AM , Rating: 2
I'll have to agree with you because I did a 14 day trial on another line I have. I got the Bold 9930 then the Torch 9850. Both nice devices but they fall pretty short in performance compared to the other mobile OSes.

Blackberry phones do have great looking screens, even when the resolution is below or at industry standards. I had a lot of hope for either device but was found to be waiting longer for web pages to load or finish loading or various call performance issues. Not to mention those devices didn't have many apps the I would find useful available to them like they are on my Android phone.

At this point I'll wait to see what's in store for WP7 after Mango. That looks like a promising platform and being that it's Microsoft it should integrate pretty well with existing MS platforms.

RIM's saving grace is that they make camera-less versions of their phones for work areas that ban mobile phones with cameras in them.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/28/2011 1:36:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393083,00.as...
"Uses less data than other OSes"

Well that explains again why BES costs money and your free non-RIM email crap can't bother IT pros who know the tech well enough :P

But don't stop posting your "free non-RIM email is better because it's FREE" bullsh!t, it's not that some facts about BB OS data consumption can stop your clueless trolling, right retro? ;)


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 1:44:23 PM , Rating: 2
I posted this in hte other thread, but you commeted here so here you go...

Many years ago RIM's email solution was better because it did a true push email. Back then, years ago, Exchange offered it, but mobile OS's didnt really recieve "push" email they simulated it with timed "pulls" thus the slightly worse battery performance. ALL modern smartphone OS's now pull. Anyhow the slight difference in battery drain on email is really irrelevant, because it wasn't a large issue before and doesn't exist at all anymore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_e-mail


RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/28/2011 2:31:57 PM , Rating: 2
Debunked in the other thread tho :P


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 2:39:38 PM , Rating: 2
No, dingy, it wasnt. You posted a quote which specifically said it wasn't supported in Windows mobile5 which is like 2007. LOL.

Wow, you used to at least try, now you just post garbage, I dont think you even read what you pasted LOL


RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/28/2011 2:52:18 PM , Rating: 2
Debunked there again :)))


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 2:53:50 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, you know zero about mobile mail. You cant debunk that which you dont understand.

Enjoy your RIM-ride into the pit of obsolescence.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/28/2011 3:53:01 PM , Rating: 2
Pwned ya again, now Linux style. You like being pwned Linux style? ;)


RE: old trends, future trends
By retrospooty on 9/28/2011 3:56:01 PM , Rating: 2
Love it. You must be right. Because Linux vs. Windows is so relevant. RIM must be doing well. Good then, its settled.


RE: old trends, future trends
By Pirks on 9/28/2011 4:41:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Linux vs. Windows is so relevant
It is, given that you love FREE stuff so much


RE: old trends, future trends
By masamasa on 9/28/2011 11:00:51 AM , Rating: 2
They have a new 'lawsuit' app they can download. It allows users to send in their ideas on how to sue Google for more marketshare. The winning ideas get a free song download on itunes.


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