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Chinese J-20 Stealth Fighter
The Chinese government is heavily investing in military research and development

The Pentagon recently noted that China's evolving military could be on track for a complete overhaul by 2020 Reuters reports. China reportedly spends about $160 billion USD each year on its military development, and other global super powers are anxiously watching. 

For example, the J-20 stealth jet program should be operational within the next seven years, and China's navy recently began sea trials of its first aircraft carrier.  The 
former Soviet ship was retrofitted to be an aircraft carrier -- and it will take a few more years before China can develop its own aircraft carriers. 

At a time when U.S. defense spending is under pressure, lawmakers are worried about China's military and space program spending.  

Even the U.S. State Department is becoming annoyed with China’s advancements, brazenly questioning its motives. "We would welcome any kind of explanation that China would like to give for needing this kind of equipment,” read a statement issued by the U.S. State Department last month. “We have had concerns for some time and we've been quite open with them with regard to the lack of transparency from China regarding its power projection and its lack of access and denial of capabilities." 

Chinese officials continue to defend their country's evolving military, saying they hope to work with Washington. "Despite continued gaps in some key areas, large quantities of antiquated hardware and a lack of operational experience, the PLA (China's People's Liberation Army) is 
steadily closing the technological gap with modern armed forces," stated a report covering China's 2010 military development. 

Continued economic turmoil in Japan has given China added confidence that it can be the standout Asian superpower, while the communist nation continues to woo foreign companies to invest inside its vast borders. 



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And?
By quiksilvr on 8/26/2011 8:11:35 AM , Rating: 5
What can we do about it? Open manufacturing plants here and make our own stuff? Fat chance. We're WAY past the point of no return now. Our country is woefully dependent on China's slave--er I mean cheap labor. The only logical and realistic thing we can do now is try to stay friends because it won't be long until China's military will surpass us.




RE: And?
By frobizzle on 8/26/2011 8:20:24 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Our country is woefully dependent on China's slave--er I mean cheap labor.

Don't worry! On our present course, if certain government factions have their way, we will be supplying the slave labor for China!


RE: And?
By WinstonSmith on 8/26/2011 8:39:34 AM , Rating: 5
"Our country is woefully dependent on China's slave--er I mean cheap labor."

A myth.

"Made-in-China" Only 2.7% of U.S. Spending; Really? What Does It Mean?"

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/08...

And the vast majority of production for the US military is done _in the US_ for security reasons. Anyway, in a country that spends more on its military than the rest of the world combined (over $1 trillion per year when ALL costs related to the military are added up), you're going to have a tendency to always present the future "enemy" as ten feet tall.


RE: And?
By quiksilvr on 8/26/2011 8:52:18 AM , Rating: 5
There is another major factor that is being ignored here. This is $400 billion dollars a year right? How much of that income is going to the companies/workers with respect to the government? $400 billion goes a much longer way for the Chinese government than it does for US.

And further more, if $400 billion is a paltry 2.7%, then why don't we just replace those international imports from China with manufacturing facilities here?...BECAUSE ITS FRIGGING $400 BILLION DOLLARS! ANNUALLY. 2.7% or 0.0001% its still hundreds of billions of dollars going to a country every year that neglects the rights of its people be it via censorship, healthcare or otherwise.


RE: And?
By Natch on 8/26/11, Rating: 0
RE: And?
By Strunf on 8/27/2011 5:52:40 AM , Rating: 1
You think it was only the USSR that stole from the US? and not the other way around? The USSR and today Russia still have plenty of technology worthy to be stole even by the US!

Let me get this straight the US soldiers are dedicated and professional? if that's the case then what was the whole deal about putting your prisoners naked and taking pictures? Or about when they just drove over dead bodies? A battlefield is a nasty place and for your own good you better leave your moral and education at home...


RE: And?
By billshut on 8/27/2011 7:07:14 AM , Rating: 4
Compared to your Chinese draftee, who is much the same as the conscripts (draftees) that the USSR had, then yes, our volunteer military is much more dedicated and professional.

China has won most modern wars by simple attrition. They may not have the technology advantage, but if they can overwhelm you by sheer numbers, they win. Take a good look at Korean War history, and how many of their soldiers they were willing to throw away, in trying to take an anonymous hill.


RE: And?
By lol123 on 8/26/2011 10:55:04 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, an actual sensible comment. It's not every day you see one of those on these boards...


RE: And?
By JonnyDough on 8/29/2011 2:33:15 PM , Rating: 2
With nearly 100% of manufactured goods that say "made in China" at Wal-mart and other large retail stores I am not sure how you can believe this. Most products found in America, aside from agriculture and some machinery are now imported. It only took 10 years for this change to occur. Thank Bill Clinton, who lied to the American public, who is friends with Walton kids (Multi-billionaires who are the sons of Sam Walton - Wal-mart/Sam's Club founder), and who no doubt was promised great riches for that little trade deal he was able to get signed off.

~Airman S.


RE: And?
By vazili on 8/26/2011 8:49:32 AM , Rating: 3
Actually, the US produces more than China does. US manufacturing is still in highly profitable goods (pharma, defense, airliners, etc). That's why you don't see too many "Made in USA" on cheap stuff you buy.

not only that, BUT the cost of chinese labor is going up. so manufacturers have two choices

1. Move labor somewhere else that doesn't have as good infrastructure

2. Move back to the US where cost of labor is higher but cost of shipping is next to nothing


RE: And?
By kleinma on 8/26/2011 12:37:21 PM , Rating: 2
Why is why those are the targets of Chinese hacking attacks. To steal the ability to also make what the US is good at making. And the US is pretty much letting it happen.


RE: And?
By lagomorpha on 8/26/2011 1:47:36 PM , Rating: 2
The other side effect of higher wages in China is the creation of a consumer base in China. Shipping costs to the US are less important if they can sell more products in their own nation. China did spend more money than the US on computers this quarter...


RE: And?
By icanhascpu on 8/26/2011 8:59:05 AM , Rating: 1
We should probably just blame Apple for all of that.


RE: And?
By NellyFromMA on 8/26/2011 9:06:40 AM , Rating: 2
If China's military is going to be 'modern' by this passed decades standards in a decade, what makes you think they will be in position to surpass us any time soon?

The conflict is coming no doubt. I think it will be a little out from 2020 but now I'm not sure.

I think its inevitable though. They intrude on our sovereignty every time they hack into our national networks. I think the US has been posturing itself for this conflict for the passed 50 years at least.

Have faith; We have always had the edge against China and there isn't a person in our power-obsessed congress or presidential cabinet that will cede that to China or any other nation. Wars will happen before that, IMO.


RE: And?
By 91TTZ on 8/26/2011 9:35:08 AM , Rating: 3
The real enemy isn't in China but within the US. The US industrial-military complex is out of control and it's trying to survive in a time of cost-cutting. Eisenhower saw that it was a growing problem and it's gotten much worse.

But of course, the American people must keep paying these exorbitant costs or else America will be taken over by the Germans and Japanese, I mean the Koreans, I mean the Vietnamese, I mean the Soviets, I mean the terrorists, I mean the Chinese.

Nothing keeps that industry alive like pretending that we're in a state of perpetual war.


RE: And?
By NellyFromMA on 8/26/2011 10:03:56 AM , Rating: 3
Trust me, China is very much an enemy. It's not that you're all wrong, but make no mistake, China is very angry for the colonial attempt at invasion approx 1914 IIRC. Since then, China has been posturing itself towards what it is today.

Yea, there's always an 'enemy' face portrayed out there, but believe it or not, most of the time its a lot more justified than you're making it out to sound.

This goes back a lot further than Eisenhower. Alot further than probably any of your live relatives. Look it up.


RE: And?
By AnnihilatorX on 8/26/2011 10:35:29 AM , Rating: 2
Is it just me that it is sad to hear people warmonging about inevitable war?

I am Chinese and I don't want to see a war with America. Do you?


RE: And?
By bigdawg1988 on 8/26/2011 1:21:15 PM , Rating: 2
Heck no, I don't want to see any wars. And it's a little odd to me that we have about 13 carriers and get all upset about China's one little carrier. This is just some fear-mongering by DoD to keep their budgets up, as someone else posted earlier. Don't worry, there will be no war. Nukes are still one helluva deterrent to that foolishness. Heh, learn to love the bomb! The bringer of peace!!

Well, unless you don't have any, then you're fair game for destruction....


RE: And?
By lukarak on 8/27/2011 6:28:00 AM , Rating: 2
Well, if you want to change the established system, where the western world (USA, Europe where i live and some other countries) lives on work and resources of others, then you very much want a conflict. Because the system won't change peacefully. Who would give up life over your own means voluntarily?


RE: And?
By NellyFromMA on 8/30/2011 2:37:54 PM , Rating: 2
Fact: overpopulation of the earth and limited resources is a current event. No country or entity will allow its citizens to have less than what they currently have. That will inevitably lead to war. It just will. That's not my wish, it's just easy to see.


RE: And?
By NellyFromMA on 8/30/2011 2:36:03 PM , Rating: 2
It's not warmongering. It's analysis. Know what I hate, when people accuse me of something I'm not doing. ;)


RE: And?
By cmdrdredd on 8/27/2011 12:31:58 AM , Rating: 2
You're an idiot. China's military surpass us? We are 20 years ahead of them in every possible way. Training, technology...

When they are "modern" we will be beyond that...able to shoot their little supposed stealth planes that we've had since the 60s and 70s down with a laser.


RE: And?
By lukarak on 8/27/2011 6:36:14 AM , Rating: 2
True. But military is not the only thing that matters. China is developing too much for it not to be considered a threat to the western world. It's standard of living is based on exploiting the rest of the planet, their resources and labor, and china is looking to exit that arrangement. So it will pretty soon be time to severely limit China in its rise. Whether it will be a war or some other method, doesn't matter too much.


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