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SSD is for notebook and desktop users

SanDisk has unveiled a new SSD today called the Ultra that is now shipping to retailers.

The Ultra SSD is sized to work in a notebook or a desktop computer and is designed for a drop-in upgrade to a machine for users. The SSD reads up to 280MB/s sequentially and up to 270MB/s sequential writes are supported. 
The drive has a mean time between failure rating of up to a million hours.

"Replacing a computer's hard disk drive with the SanDisk Ultra SSD is more cost effective than buying a new PC," said Kent Perry, director, product marketing, SanDisk. "Our new SSD delivers greater speed and reliability than a hard disk drive at an affordable price."

The SSD is offered in three capacities with a 60GB for $129.99, 120GB for $219.99, and a 240GB for $449.99. All three capacities are available right now in the U.S. and can be purchased from Newegg and other retailers.



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RE: Cost
By Flunk on 7/26/2011 1:23:37 PM , Rating: 2
These are already bargain basement SSDs. 280MB/s is about half of what the high end ones can manage. The issue with this is that the memory is what's expensive for SSDs so the older ones are not significantly less expensive to make than the faster ones.


RE: Cost
By AnonCoward on 7/26/2011 1:34:52 PM , Rating: 4
Sir,

This old HDD is not bargain basement. It is more expensive than what current gen SSD's go for.


RE: Cost
By Mitch101 on 7/26/2011 2:05:30 PM , Rating: 2
Its the reliability that worries me. Ive almost bought a few times but have been scared off by high failure rates. Everyone I know with an SSD has had them die one person is on his third and he does the swapfile in memory and no defrags on the SSD.

These should be more reliable than platter hard drive because of the lack of moving parts.


RE: Cost
By AnonCoward on 7/26/2011 2:24:55 PM , Rating: 3
I own 5. (2) Intel g2, (1) SF 1st gen, (2) m4. Still no issues.


RE: Cost
By therealnickdanger on 7/26/2011 4:15:59 PM , Rating: 3
So what you admit is that your oldest SSD is only 2 years old. Most people use conventional HDDs much longer than that. I have HDDs from at least 4 years ago that are still spinning...

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge SSD advocate myself and own several, also with no issues. But let's not confuse anecdotal evidence with facts. The truth is that if after 5 years all these SSDs floating around are still in use, then we'll know how reliable they really are.

I'm guessing that all of my current SSDs will still work fine as will all of yours, but I think by then we'll have moved on to <$1/GB SATA4 SSDs that do 1Gbps or something. The only reliability issue that concerns me about current SSDs is that I won't want to use it 5 years from now due to greater technologies.


RE: Cost
By Reclaimer77 on 7/26/2011 4:38:02 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The only reliability issue that concerns me about current SSDs is that I won't want to use it 5 years from now due to greater technologies


That doesn't make any sense. The slowest SSD today will STILL be superior in random read/write in five years than any HDD that will come out in that span. Sequential speeds will have improved, yes, but those aren't as important to the "feel" of the OS drive as randoms.

quote:
So what you admit is that your oldest SSD is only 2 years old. Most people use conventional HDDs much longer than that. I have HDDs from at least 4 years ago that are still spinning...


Well excuse us for being early adopters! If everyone had your attitude, SSD's would flop because nobody would buy them until everyone had a 5+ year old one still working. Come on guy :)


RE: Cost
By B3an on 7/26/2011 7:09:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That doesn't make any sense. The slowest SSD today will STILL be superior in random read/write in five years than any HDD that will come out in that span. Sequential speeds will have improved, yes, but those aren't as important to the "feel" of the OS drive as randoms.

This just in... not everyone has the same needs.
Not everyone just browses the net all day long.
Computing performance needs increase over time.
And being faster than a ridiculously slow HDD isn't saying much.


RE: Cost
By someguy123 on 7/26/2011 9:43:15 PM , Rating: 2
...it is saying much when it's the mainstream alternative. computing performance definitely needs to increase but the bottleneck mechanical HDDs have on current systems can be massive. if you're in need of better computational speeds, you'd likely also be in need of a storage format that offers better I/O, unless you're just playing video games.


RE: Cost
By MozeeToby on 7/26/2011 6:33:49 PM , Rating: 2
As a general rule SSD is going to last longer in a laptop than a platter drive will (because of the abuse they take). In a desktop that probably isn't the case, but then, in a desktop you'd probably be better off with a 2 drive RAIDed 7200 rpm setup with a ton more capacity and a similar price.


RE: Cost
By Reclaimer77 on 7/26/2011 4:09:35 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Everyone I know with an SSD has had them die one person is on his third


What, I'm calling bull on that.

quote:
no defrags on the SSD


Uhh I should certainly hope nobody "you know" is defragging their SSD...


RE: Cost
By Mitch101 on 7/26/2011 5:28:54 PM , Rating: 1
Newegg reviews
25% 1 Eggs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

26% 1 Eggs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

57% 1 Eggs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

Read the reviews too some talk about problems with the sandforce chipset. Im especially interested in the reviews that show up after 6 months of use.

If you know me I think reviews of products have a major flaw in that they dont review reliability of a product 6 months to a year or re-review after driver maturity. How many companies promise the world and 6 months later leave you hanging or have revised the product because of issues yet the review gives them awards because they tested the product for 3 hours?


RE: Cost
By Reclaimer77 on 7/26/2011 5:36:04 PM , Rating: 2
Sandforce controllers are old news. But they did not all "fail", they just had horrible write issues and what not. Most SSD controller issues do get fixed via firmware updates however.

Let's not sit here and pretend there weren't batches and models of HDD's that didn't have terrible reliability problems. Remember IBM drives back in the day? So using one line of OCZ drives with a bad controller doesn't make an argument against ALL SSD's.


RE: Cost
By Mitch101 on 7/26/2011 5:48:07 PM , Rating: 1
The SandForce 2281 controller is one of the fastest out there and look at the review comments.

Reviewed on 6/23/2011 4:35:00 AM
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4341/ocz-vertex-3-ma...
These drives 120GB are now competitive with both Intel's SSD 510 and the 240GB Vertex 3. For desktop users looking for the best absolute performance at the 120GB price point, these are the SF-2281 drives you've been looking for.

23% 1 Egg Vertex 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

15% 1 Egg Vertex 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

I appreciate you early adopters and Im dying to get one but Im going to hold out a little longer for better reliability. It doesn't help that all my friends have had theirs die. It will get better and Corsair seems to have better reliability but Im just going to wait a little longer.


RE: Cost
By Reclaimer77 on 7/26/2011 5:54:09 PM , Rating: 2
You don't get it though, pointing out one controller isn't the same as you saying "all SSD's go bad". This is not an inherent problem with SSD technology, but a bad controller from ONE SSD provider. If the NAND flash was failing prematurely, your argument would have more bite to it.

Besides we both use Intel's, which seems to be king of SSD reliability. OCZ and others post good numbers, but I can live with slightly less sequential write speeds for the increased stability that Intel Gen2's have given me.


RE: Cost
By Reclaimer77 on 7/26/2011 6:02:25 PM , Rating: 2
Here since you use Newegg as your basis, check this out.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Sub...

Pretty much every Intel SSD has 5 out of 5 Eggs.

quote:
Im dying to get one


Go for it!! :D


RE: Cost
By Mitch101 on 7/26/2011 9:06:02 PM , Rating: 2
None of them seem to come close to the sandforce performance 500MB/s but that might explain the high failure rate. Crucial seems to have a high reliability rating.

I have faith in it Im just going to give it a while longer to get a few more bugs worked out. My budget is $200.00 for 120gig with high reliability 95% 4-5 stars.


RE: Cost
By damage75 on 7/27/2011 8:22:14 AM , Rating: 2
Patriot Wildfire. Five reviews (it's new), all *5* stars.
They claim to have solved the instability issues that were affecting SF 22xx controllers.

Scanning the 'net, I see zero issues.


RE: Cost
By Flunk on 7/27/2011 8:56:54 AM , Rating: 4
That's not correct at all, and I quote

quote:
The SSD reads up to 280MB/s sequentially and up to 270MB/s sequential writes are supported.


The OCZ Agility 3 (a current gen mid-range SSD) 525MB/s Read and 500MB/s Write, making this a bottom of the line bargain drive if not a last-gen product masquerading as a new one.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4346/ocz-agility-3-2...


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