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Hackers say they "are not scared anymore"

Hacker groups LulzSec and Anonymous have made their point clear: they can infiltrate pretty much any government/corporate system they choose, and can cause plenty of chaos while doing so. In 2011 alone, Sony,, PBS, NATO,, the Arizona Police Department, the CIA, News Corp., Bank of America and many more were hacked by the two groups.

Just this week, the FBI arrested 16 alleged members who were associated with some of the cyber attacks. Fourteen were responsible for the attack against PayPal last December, while the fifteenth person was arrested on charges associated with the intrusion of computer systems at InfraGard and the sixteenth had allegedly downloaded thousands of documents related to AT&T's LTE broadband network and 4G data network. Those arrested ranged from ages 20 to 42, and were located in Alabama, Arizona, Colorado, California, Florida, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Nevada, Washington D.C. and Ohio.

When these arrests were made, the FBI's Deputy Assistant Director Steven Chabinsky told NPR that this victory for the FBI sends "a message that chaos on the Internet is unacceptable." Hackers responded with the following message:

We are not scared any more. Your threats to arrest us are meaningless to us as you cannot arrest an idea. Any attempt to do so will make your citizens more angry until they will roar in one gigantic choir. It is our mission to help these people and there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- you can possibly do to make us stop.

The message didn't end there. Anonymous also added that governments and corporations are the real enemy, and even listed why.

Now let us be clear here, Mr. Chabinsky, while we understand that you and your colleagues may find breaking into websites unacceptable, let us tell you what WE find unacceptable:
    • Governments lying to their citizens and inducing fear and terror to keep them in control by dismantling their freedom piece by piece.
    • Corporations aiding and conspiring with said governments while taking advantage at the same time by collecting billions of funds for federal contracts we all know they can't fulfill.
    • Lobby conglomerates who only follow their agenda to push the profits higher, while at the same time being deeply involved in governments around the world with the only goal to infiltrate and corrupt them enough so the status quo will never change.
Chabinsky noted in the NPR interview that LulzSec and Anonymous' activities, no matter the reason, could put citizens in danger of terrorists or organized crime groups caught a glimpse of the government documents the hacker groups leak online.

"There has not been a large-scale trend toward using hacking to actually destroy websites, [but] that could be appealing to both criminals or terrorists," said Chabinsky. "That's where 'hacktivism,' even if currently viewed by some as a nuisance, shows the potential to be destabilizing."

LulzSec tweeted a similar message to Anonymous' on July 21, with a quirky twist:

"Arresting people won't stop us, FBI," said LulzSec's tweet. "We will only cease fire when you all wear shoes on your heads. That's the only way this is ending."

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I think
By BigToque on 7/22/2011 3:29:15 PM , Rating: 2
I absolutely applaud what these hackers are doing, but I think that perhaps they need to start being more selective.

Instead of releasing a database with thousands of names that shows you know how to access a system, try to figure out how to start accessing the private information of very select individuals that you believe are involved in wrongdoing.

When you think of how many people truly have any real power to pull off the things you claim, it's got to be a fairly low number. With 100 of the top corporations in the US, there's got to be 1-5 people tops in each company that are really involved in anything scandalous. Add in the government, and I'm sure there might be another 500 or so.

I can't see there being more than 1000 people that are pulling all the strings. If you could find a way to get to these peoples information, then you might start seeing people tremble.

RE: I think
By Bostlabs on 7/22/2011 4:20:29 PM , Rating: 2
So become Judge and Jury? It's a short step to Executioner along that road.
The keywords to your post is 'that you believe are involved in wrong doing'. Belief is not fact. It's far too easy to attack someone on a belief that you later find out is false. IF you allow yourself to even entertain the idea that YOU could be wrong. The problem with beliefs like this is it is way too easy to manufacture 'facts' to support your belief.

RE: I think
By mmatis on 7/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: I think
By Bostlabs on 7/25/2011 10:58:39 AM , Rating: 2
You mean acting like FedPig? Or don't you consider the murder of Vicki Weaver to "become Judge and Jury", and executioner as well? The stench is overwhelming.

No I consider that incident to be a dark mark in our history. It did result in changes for the better after the investigation.

However, there is a difference between actions performed by officials of the law and actions taken by others who decide to make their own law. That is a vendetta and usually results in massive amounts of innocents being hurt because the self righteous usually don't care who may be in the the way of their 'justice'.

RE: I think
By Uncle on 7/23/2011 3:26:22 PM , Rating: 2
The Bilderberg Group is the outfit you should be reading about and also who the members are.
The list has to be updated. Read the groups back ground, its quite interesting.

RE: I think
By strapmonkey on 7/23/2011 7:37:15 PM , Rating: 2
Nope. Airing the dirty laundry of the power elite will accomplish absolutely nothing in the long term. And here is why.

The perception that removing individuals from the construct will fix the construct is incorrect. Completely depopulate a corrupt system, repopulate it with all new, equally or better qualified individuals while changing no other parameters results in - a (still) corrupt system. Within 24 months (at the outside), you'll see the exact same abuses of power and authority that led to the removal of the original power elite in the first place, without regard to the level (actual or perceived) of good intent inherent among the new players.

Incarcerating or liquidating those in power will accomplish nothing but personnel turnover. The construct must be assessed, evaluated and repaired, or, if necessary, reinvented. Until then, only the names will change.

Of course, in the mean time, a few lynchings couldn't hurt.....

RE: I think
By mindless1 on 7/24/2011 5:48:22 PM , Rating: 2
While your thoughts in the issue are interesting, I have to think they are incorrect. You assume a construct that persists because they AREN'T being targeted, targeting them does change that construct.

Put simply, every sane human being perceives some level of risk versus benefit and it does dictate how they act to a VERY large extent when we're talking about industry leaders who have had to maintain social standards, have been involved in the educational institutions, and are so often in the public's eye.

"Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine." -- Bill Gates

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