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Chevrolet Cruze
Diesel Cruze will get about 50mpg in city

Traditionally, U.S. auto buyer (and manufacturers) have shied away from diesel engines in passenger cars. There are a few diesel cars on the market in the U.S. already, mostly from VW (BMW and Mercedes offer diesels in limited models). Diesel cars are common in Europe and are a viable alternative to gasoline engines and hybrids in many instances. 

A new vehicle is coming to the U.S. with diesel power that will have fuel economy good enough to make hybrids jealous according to Detroit News. The vehicle is the Chevrolet Cruze diesel and it get well over 40 mpg. The move is seen as a way for Chevy to meet the stiffer EPA standards that are looming for its entire fleet.

The diesel-powered Cruze is expected to hit dealer lots in 2013 and it will be built on the same line as its gasoline-powered brethren. Pricing for the diesel Cruze isn't known at this time. Right now, the gas-powered Cruze has a price starting at $16,525.

Interestingly, the Cruze is the bestselling vehicle in America right now with 25,000 units sold in June. That sales number was enough to put it ahead of the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord. Analyst Dave Sullivan with AutoPacific Inc said, "I couldn't think of a better way for GM to capitalize on the momentum that Cruze has created for GM by adding a diesel."

The diesel engine Cruze would most assuredly cost more than the gasoline version due to the higher cost of production. New diesel engines have little in common with the loud and smoky diesels that many people are familiar with from years ago. Likewise, modern diesel cars can be just as refined as their gasoline counterparts.

We first heard news of the Cruze diesel in February.

Updated 7/22/2011 @ 10:00am

General Motors CEO Dan Akerson just confirmed that the diesel version of the Chevrolet Cruze will drive in 2013. 

“I drove it the other day. It is great,” Akerson told USA TODAY. “These new diesels are quiet. Should make it in the low- to mid-40s, and that’s with an automatic."

Official Press Release:

Chevrolet confirmed today it will add a diesel variant to the Cruze lineup in North America in calendar year 2013.  Diesel versions of the Cruze are currently being sold in Europe. Additional details on the Cruze diesel for North American markets will be released at a later date.

The diesel will bolster the already fuel-efficient Cruze lineup. Cruze Eco with a standard six-speed manual transmission, is  the most fuel-efficient gas-powered/non-hybrid vehicle in America, with an EPA-rated 42 mpg on the highway.

Cruze recorded a total of 24,896 sales in the United States in June, the fifth consecutive month sales have exceeded 20,000. The success of the Cruze has increased Chevrolet’s total share of the compact-car segment from 9.5 percent a year ago to 11.9 percent for the first five months of 2011, even as the segment size grew 19 percent. 



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Wow!!
By d33pblue on 7/12/2011 1:54:47 PM , Rating: 5
51mpg city, is that right? Given that this isn't a hybrid, it should get even better on the highway - which is hard to believe. Are you sure this isn't the highway figure?

Either way, if they can keep the starting price around $18k, they'll have a smash hit with this one.




RE: Wow!!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 7/12/2011 2:04:12 PM , Rating: 3
That may be wishful thinking. The new "decontented" 2011 VW Jetta starts at $16,495 for the 2.slow model. The TDI starts at $22,995.


RE: Wow!!
By d33pblue on 7/12/2011 2:46:59 PM , Rating: 2
Yes it does, however VW only offers the diesel on the highest trim level, which elevates the price for reasons other than the diesel system. It doesn't offer one with the base trim.

I can see Chevy keeping the diesel premium to $2000 or less.


RE: Wow!!
By Mitch101 on 7/12/2011 2:51:25 PM , Rating: 1
Not to forget the price of Diesel is higher but opens up alternative fuels as an option and possibly drive the price of Diesel where it should be.

Seeing 51mpg for 2013 makes me laugh about this.
White House Wants 56.2 mpg by 2025, Automakers Are Upset
http://www.dailytech.com/White+House+Wants+562+mpg...

Only 12 years to get another 5mpg's but I think alternatives would serve a better purpose of getting people off FOREIGN oil all together.


RE: Wow!!
By NullSubroutine on 7/12/2011 3:04:54 PM , Rating: 4
You realize that is a fleet-wide average standard? There is also only so much energy in a gallon of fuel and even if you extract it all, you still have to deal with mechanical inefficiencies that will always exist with ICE. After all that engine has to propel a rather heavy vehicle forward and with all the required safety and emissions standard the government keeps adding on, it isn't that easy.

The government can require every vehicle to be pulled by a magical unicorn, doesn't mean that is reality.


RE: Wow!!
By Bostlabs on 7/22/2011 12:02:23 PM , Rating: 2
What??

Shoot, I was looking forward to having a magical unicorn...
hmmm, I'd probably need a scooper attachment though.


RE: Wow!!
By ClownPuncher on 7/22/2011 1:01:16 PM , Rating: 2
Unicorns don't poop, you knave.


RE: Wow!!
By borismkv on 7/22/2011 1:08:52 PM , Rating: 5
Yes they do. They fart rainbows and poop sunshine.


RE: Wow!!
By Manch on 7/22/2011 10:22:31 PM , Rating: 2
and the sushine will power solar panels!


RE: Wow!!
By superstition on 7/24/2011 3:24:16 AM , Rating: 1
I hope they do makeovers because the Cruze is really ugly. I was about to say butt-ugly, but there are a lot of butts in the world that look a LOT better than the front end of a Cruze.

The angry gopher look just doesn't do it for me:

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/g/gopher-8187....
http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/sedans/170...


RE: Wow!!
By nofumble62 on 7/23/2011 10:54:00 AM , Rating: 2
Same garbage argument they made in last 20 yrs.
If the Bush administration had any brain and leadership, they should have raised the CAFE to 35, and we are all better off now.


RE: Wow!!
By Indigo64 on 7/12/11, Rating: 0
RE: Wow!!
By rnssr71 on 7/12/2011 9:09:34 PM , Rating: 2
"and in typical American fashion, since the possibility of using biodiesel or used cooking oil is a possibility, with widespread adoption, this car could take itself AND its owners to the nearest golden arches for a "fill up." "

ummm....no. older diesels, yes! but not new ones. anything more than B-5 on a new diesel and you void the warranty. it sucks!


RE: Wow!!
By knutjb on 7/13/2011 1:10:09 AM , Rating: 5
You do realize the new high fleet mpg standards are from the same people who don't want you to eat any fried foods...

Oh and they are pressuring electrical plants to shutdown through unreasonable emissions standards but push electric vehicles...


RE: Wow!!
By Philippine Mango on 7/12/2011 10:08:20 PM , Rating: 5
GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS EVERYBODY!!!! That '56mpg' or '62mpg' the whitehouse/epa are proposing are CAFE fuel economy. Which means that the 2010 Prius, rated at 50mpg average on the monroney sticker gets about 70mpg on the CAFE cycle. So a vehicle that gets 56mpg on the CAFE cycle is more around 38mpg average. Even better, that's a FLEET average. It is so annoying having to repeat this very important piece of information as it's the difference between a very reasonable request and a very UNreasonable request (by the govt.). Vehicles over the fleet averaging 40mpg is very reasonable and doable especially by 2025.


RE: Wow!!
By The0ne on 7/22/2011 5:26:20 PM , Rating: 2
Thumbs up for you. Lets see who will bang this into their heads for the next green vehicle discussion :)


RE: Wow!!
By Richard875yh5 on 7/13/2011 9:07:52 AM , Rating: 1
GM is not upset about the proposed CAFE. Ford and Toyota are and GM said they will simple comply with whatever it is.

http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/rhwang/gm_breaks...


RE: Wow!!
By rudy on 7/12/2011 4:03:03 PM , Rating: 2
With most of these compact cars the base price only covers a stripped down manual anyway you are looking at the 20's to get into anything normal people would buy anyway.


RE: Wow!!
By JediJeb on 7/13/2011 11:41:22 AM , Rating: 3
I always knew I wasn't normal. I much prefer the stripped down manual version to the automatic version or any version with power everything and so pretty you are afraid to scratch it.

Well, I do have a weakness for cruise control, but please don't tell anyone.


RE: Wow!!
By mindless1 on 7/13/2011 1:43:14 PM , Rating: 1
Cruise control with manual transmission?


RE: Wow!!
By JediJeb on 7/13/2011 2:04:40 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, most pickup trucks have it, even my 85 Ranger did. Unless you are trying to use cruise control while driving in the city it works just fine.


RE: Wow!!
By mindless1 on 7/14/2011 3:33:51 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, almost all my driving (including expressway) would be considered city driving as there's no long stretches where there wouldn't be the potential for gear changes.


RE: Wow!!
By Spuke on 7/13/2011 3:34:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Cruise control with manual transmission?
Yeah dude. Manual transmission cars have had that since the late 80's.


RE: Wow!!
By FITCamaro on 7/14/2011 9:27:03 AM , Rating: 3
Seriously. Cruise control has been on manuals pretty much as long as its been available on automatics.


RE: Wow!!
By DougF on 7/13/2011 5:09:43 PM , Rating: 3
Had it on my manual 1993 Volvo 850GLT...the pleasure of down-shifting through corners and easy long distance driving all in one. Loved that car, had it 14yrs, until my eldest child totaled it (accident was not her fault tho).


RE: Wow!!
By Manch on 7/22/2011 10:27:13 PM , Rating: 2
yup, pops had it on his 1978 Toyota Land cruiser. Granted it was more primitive(cut down mop stick) but he did upgrade it in 83 to an electronic one.


RE: Wow!!
By Kurz on 7/22/2011 12:35:24 PM , Rating: 2
Only thing cruise control controls is Throttle position to maintain speed that you set it to.


RE: Wow!!
By jah1subs on 7/13/2011 12:53:07 PM , Rating: 4
Another point of comparison is diesel trucks. IIRC, there is a $4000-$5000 price difference between comparable diesel and gas powered trucks. This is probably a pretty fair comparison since both options are typically somewhat high volume and mature offerings, at least for V8s.

There are other challenges around Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD) in vehicles, which is what is in gas/fuel stations.


RE: Wow!!
By JediJeb on 7/13/2011 2:07:45 PM , Rating: 2
The price difference in trucks is understandable since the gasoline engine is often the same as in the regular version of the truck and SUVs, but the diesel is a fairly heavy duty engine option.


RE: Wow!!
By ChuckDriver on 7/13/2011 1:38:37 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The new "decontented" 2011 VW Jetta


I am sad that VW has decided equip the Jetta VI with a hard plastic dashboard, replace the articulated trunk hinges with the traditional ones that intrude into the cargo area, and remove the A/C registers mounted at the back of the center console that provided cool air to the rear seat passengers. These are just a few of the differences from the Jetta V that I observed when recently driving a 2011 Jetta. In this case, new is definitely not improved.

I hope that this decision gets VW many new customers. They will need them because they have disappointed many of their old customers who appreciated the attention to detail VW gave when designing and building their cars. It is still a decent car, but before you buy a 2011 Jetta, take a look at a 2005.5-2010 Jetta.

P.S. I also miss the hook in the trunk for hanging grocery bags.


RE: Wow!!
By Lord 666 on 7/22/2011 6:41:08 PM , Rating: 2
Love my 2006 TDI. Thanks for the comparison. They also don't offer the 4*4 (rear side airbags) option in the 2011 model.

Hoping the 2012 Passat is more like a 2010 Jetta but with more size.


RE: Wow!!
By Lord 666 on 7/22/2011 6:52:54 PM , Rating: 2
Wtf?!?! Just checked the new Passat and it is not an option for rear side airbags.

The 2012 A6 is not available in TDI yet either.

Holding onto mine for a bit longer then.


RE: Wow!!
By Lord 666 on 7/22/2011 6:35:33 PM , Rating: 2
How is a car "decontented"?


RE: Wow!!
By dubldwn on 7/12/2011 2:14:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
51mpg city, is that right?

Doubt it. Really doubt it. I'll keep an open mind, but I'll believe it when I see it.


RE: Wow!!
By quiksilvr on 7/12/2011 2:19:38 PM , Rating: 1
Don't doubt it for a second. Diesel engines are way WAY more powerful than petrol, meaning you don't need a honking huge engine to run it.


RE: Wow!!
By Mr772 on 7/12/11, Rating: 0
RE: Wow!!
By tviceman on 7/12/2011 2:38:02 PM , Rating: 3
I've got a Cruze 1.4L turbo right now, and on several fill ups the on-board computer is telling me I'm averaging 35mpg through a full tank of gas. I don't have the eco version either so think it's quite plausible they can hit 50mpg.


RE: Wow!!
By indigosfbmw on 7/12/2011 2:42:27 PM , Rating: 2
I average 33.8 mpg in a BMW 335d 6-cylinder diesel that makes 265hp and weighs 3800lbs. It actually attained 40 mpg on one all interstate trip. But it does seem like they may have reversed those numbers.


RE: Wow!!
By Spuke on 7/13/2011 12:21:56 AM , Rating: 2
Read that it's 50 highway and that's Chevy's target mpg.


RE: Wow!!
By bigdawg1988 on 7/22/2011 12:02:50 PM , Rating: 2
Who cares? If that sucker gets 51 mpg highway, I'M BUYING!! 2013 models ought to come out next year, just about when I'm ready to buy. Hoping it has a manual tranny, I miss my stick. Boy, GM is making that bailout thing look pretty smart. Did the government actually get something right?


RE: Wow!!
By bigdawg1988 on 7/22/2011 12:04:49 PM , Rating: 2
Oops, guess it won't hit the showrooms until 2013. Darn, not sure my old Camry will last that long....


RE: Wow!!
By Richard875yh5 on 7/23/2011 11:02:10 AM , Rating: 1
It's not the government who got things right, it's GM. Had the economy not gone bad, GM would still be putting out the great products they are now putting out. These vehicles were planned before the bankruptcy. Give credit to GM!

By the way, I own a Cruze and it is a great car.


RE: Wow!!
By Khato on 7/12/2011 2:38:47 PM , Rating: 2
It's not right.

The linked source article has no mention of actual mpg figures for the Chevy Cruze Diesel. It does have the 51 city/48 highway mpg figures of the current Prius mentioned though, which I'm guessing was mis-read by the author.


RE: Wow!!
By Netjak on 7/12/11, Rating: 0
RE: Wow!!
By Spuke on 7/13/2011 12:18:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The linked source article has no mention of actual mpg figures for the Chevy Cruze Diesel
I found another article that says Chevy is TARGETING 50 mpg HIGHWAY .

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2011/07/chevy-c...


RE: Wow!!
By GotDiesel on 7/12/2011 3:20:52 PM , Rating: 2
I see no reason for that figure to be so far off..
my 2001 jetta tdi does 45 city and 52 freeway.. and that's
10 year old technology..


RE: Wow!!
By FITCamaro on 7/12/2011 4:56:45 PM , Rating: 2
Your 2001 Jetta probably probably weighs a good bit less than a new one too.


RE: Wow!!
By ChoadNamath on 7/12/2011 6:14:54 PM , Rating: 2
And those numbers were also retroactively downgraded to 35 City/44 Highway...


RE: Wow!!
By lagomorpha on 7/12/2011 9:43:16 PM , Rating: 2
By 2001 the 4th Gen Jetta was getting pretty pudgy (2900 lbs). The Cruze is a fairly small platform and is only 3100 lbs.


RE: Wow!!
By FITCamaro on 7/14/2011 9:25:10 AM , Rating: 2
A base Cruze still added almost 200 pounds over the previous base Cobalt.


RE: Wow!!
By MorGasTax on 7/12/2011 4:36:02 PM , Rating: 2
From my friend who is a diesel zeolot, there is a big problem with the efficient euro diesels running with the dirty diesel fuel being sold in the US. This is another case of the Oil refiners owning Congress and the EPA, and why Ford will not open a diesel engine plant to make fuel efficient engines.


RE: Wow!!
By Solandri on 7/22/2011 1:30:25 PM , Rating: 3
The high sulfur content of diesel in North America is hardly the fault of oil refiners. The oil you get from the ground here simply has a higher sulfur content than that from the Middle East or Scandinavian North Shore.

And the entire world, including the U.S., has standardized on ULSD (ultra low sulfur diesel). It's pretty hard to buy any other type of diesel in the U.S. now. So if we are to believe your friend, then Congress and the EPA prevailed. Precisely the opposite of what he's insinuating.

Frankly, I don't think the oil companies care if they sell high-sulfur diesel or low-sulfur diesel. The only thing that they care about was that if they were producing low-sulfur diesel, they'd have a harder time selling it (would have to price it higher) than the company producing high-sulfur diesel. If the government mandates everyone produce low-sulfur diesel, then that isn't a problem anymore. They can just produce and sell the low-sulfur diesel, safe in the knowledge that nobody will be undercutting their prices by selling high-sulfur diesel.


RE: Wow!!
By superstition on 7/24/2011 2:55:43 AM , Rating: 2
Sulfur isn't the problem. US diesel is ultra-low sulfur.

The problem is that our lubricity standard isn't good enough, according to an engine manufacturers' association. They say the wear scar should be no higher than 460 and our standard is 520 max.

Many states don't have any fuel inspection, like Ohio. So fuel quality can be poor, with contaminants, algae, and water.

Cetane level is low here, at 40 minimum. This leads to less efficiency and more soot.


RE: Wow!!
By Shadowmaster625 on 7/13/2011 9:03:39 AM , Rating: 5
It is going to cost at least $2400 for the diesel upgrade. The rarity factor is going to ensure that the minimum price you pay is $3600 more than the best base Cruze price. So how much is 15 extra mpg worth? Is it really worth $3600, plus another $600-800 if you finance it? So, $4500. Minimum. Ha, no way in hell is it worth that. If you drive 12000 miles per year at $4 a gallon you take 12 years to make your money back, at 51 mpg vs 36 mpg. Even more if diesel is more expensive than gasoline.

Here is my math:
miles * years * ave fuel price / mpg

12000 * 12 * 4.0 / 36 = $16,000
12000 * 12 * 4.4 / 51 = $12,424
diff = $3576

If you project gas/diesel prices to what they are likely to average over the next 10 years:

12000 * 12 * 6.0 / 36 = $24,000
12000 * 12 * 6.6 / 51 = $18,635
diff = $5364

So somewhere around $5 a gallon is when it will actually pay (over 12 years) to buy this car. But then of course at some point you're going to end up dropping an extra grand into your car for maintenance/repair just because it is a diesel.


RE: Wow!!
By JediJeb on 7/14/11, Rating: 0
RE: Wow!!
By Dr of crap on 7/22/2011 10:42:11 AM , Rating: 1
Two things -
First diesels last longer so 12 years - do-able

second - don't buy a NEW one, wait 2 years and steal it for less!


RE: Wow!!
By superstition on 7/24/11, Rating: 0
RE: Wow!!
By Jeffk464 on 7/22/2011 12:05:02 PM , Rating: 3
Every review I have seen rates the 2012 ford focus much higher than the chevy cruze. The cruze is outselling the focus, its very discouraging.


RE: Wow!!
By IvanAndreevich on 7/22/2011 12:28:36 PM , Rating: 2
Have you ever heard about Geo Metro XFi (Pontiac Swift)? 43 city, 51 highway gas, 10 years ago.


RE: Wow!!
By Jeffk464 on 7/22/2011 1:24:48 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, but they were awful cars. The 2012 ford focus and 2012 honda civic are actually pretty decent cars and get that kind of mileage.


RE: Wow!!
By blppt on 7/22/2011 5:13:03 PM , Rating: 2
That car weighed like 1800lbs....pretty much impossible to achieve nowadays with all the safety requirements. It also got that mileage with a Yugo-competitive 55 hp 3 cylinder engine. 0-60 was not expressed in seconds, but rather the percentage chance you could actually REACH 60mph.


RE: Wow!!
By EricMartello on 7/22/11, Rating: 0
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