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  (Source: Jamie Lipman/Inside Line)

Porsche 911 designers have the easiest job in the world. A nip here, a tuck there and "boom", new 911. Pictured above is a prototype 991 911  (Source: Jamie Lipman/Inside Line)

The new 911's interior takes styling cues from the Panamera  (Source: Jamie Lipman/Inside Line)
Porsche's 911 will get a major overhaul for 2012

We reported earlier this week that Porsche is looking to add what is essentially "cruise control on steroids" to its future vehicles. The Porsche ACC InnoDrive system will take full control of throttle inputs and "learn" the routes that the driver regularly travels. Only the steering will be left for the driver to control when the system is enabled.

Now, we're getting some more information on the most famous member of the Porsche family: the 911. The next generation model will be revealed before the end of this year, with production models going to North American customers next year.

The new 911, codenamed 991, is growing in length again. The 911 will sit on a 4-inch longer wheelbase, while overall length grows another 2.2 inches. Compared to the last air-cooled 911, the iconic 993, the new 911 is roughly 10 inches longer with a 7-inch longer wheelbase.

Despite the expanded dimensions, the new 911 will be lighter than outgoing 997 variant. Instead of relying primarily on steel for the construction of the vehicle, the majority of the vehicle will now be constructed of aluminum with high-strength steel being deployed used for "major crash paths" according to Inside Line.

The extended wheelbase will also leave more legroom for the two rear-seat passengers (in reality, kids only) and for an optional hybrid system that should be available for the 2016 model year refresh of the 991 platform.

The hybrid system isn't the only concession being made to improve fuel efficiency for the 911; Porsche has also done the unthinkable and ditched the 911's wonderful hydraulic steering system for an electric one. Porsche 911 project manager Roland Achleitner explains that the excellent steering feel will remain and that "you would not be able to tell it is electric." Another buzzkill is that Porsche is moving to an electronic parking brake for the new car. 

When it comes to powertrains, the new 911 Carrera will share a 3.4-liter flat-6 engine with the Boxster S that produces 350hp. The Carrera S will be blessed with a larger displacement flat-6 producing roughly 400hp. Power will be delivered to the rear wheels (or all four wheels in Carrera 4 guise) using a 7-speed dual-clutch (PDK) transmission or -- wait for it -- a 7-speed manual transmission.

Overall efficiency is said to improve by 12 to 15 percent over the outgoing model.

For more information on the next Porsche 911 and the development of the car, you can check out Inside Line's write-up. They actually got some passenger-seat time with a prototype of the vehicle.



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RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By theapparition on 7/1/2011 2:14:46 PM , Rating: 1
Beauty is all in the eye of the beholder. I though Porshes looked dated in the 80's. Now they look downright ancient.

That's my opinion, and one that I've made with my wallet. I'll keep my Corvettes.


RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By RussianSensation on 7/2/2011 1:16:01 AM , Rating: 1
You can't drive a Corvette in the Winter. A 911 with all wheel drive will mop the floor with a Vette in the rain too. So for most people, a Vette is only a summer / weekend car. And interior quality of the Corvette is atrocious. When I am spending $100k+ on a sports car, it better not have a steering wheel from a Malibu.


RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By theapparition on 7/2/2011 1:48:07 PM , Rating: 2
What?

I drive my Corvettes all winter long. That's including a C5 with over 1000hp, a C6 Z06 with over 800hp and a ZR1. The wife drives her Corvettes in winter too. Oh nooos, there goes your argument.

As for value, you can buy a C6 Z06 with similar performance to many 100k+ Porsches and get another car or truck to use. So forget that argument, if it was even true. And how many people are taking thier 100k car out in snow. Please.

I don't care what car you like. I expressed my opinion that I don't particuarly care for the look of Porsches.

The C6 steering wheel is not from a Malibu either.


RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By GulWestfale on 7/2/2011 5:56:32 PM , Rating: 2
as a german living in canada, i think i can offer a unique viewpoint on the porsche vs vette debate:

- i do think that porsches do have far better build quality; from the gaps between the body panels to the quality of interior materials (which many reviewers say is about comparable to a korean subcompact in a corvette), the porsche is simply better.

- porsches are more efficient, the latest GT3 RS 4.0 makes 500hp from a 4 liter flat-6; a corvette needs a 7 liter V8 to achieve the same power. torque is of course another matter, there the vette's modified truck engines wins. but because of the smaller, more fuel-efficient engines used in porsches, they can have 'real' manual gearboxes instead of a 'skip=shift' box like the vette uses to lower GM's CAFE average.

- the vette still uses leaf springs (!) in its rear suspension. holy crap.

- in canada, a current base vette with a 430hp engine costs just under 70k, and is pretty well equipped.
a 911 with only 345hp and pitiful equipment (a rear window wiper costs $500 extra, wtf) sets you back 90k.
if both cars cost the same, and i had to buy one with my own money, i'd take the porsche. but with a 20k price difference, and spending my own cash, i, as a german, have to admit that i'd take the vette. 430hp>345hp, bodypanel gaps be damned. and who cares about what it looks like in 10 years, people who can afford to buy these cars new will already be on their next one in 5 years, never mind 10.

then again, a used 2005 911 turbo can be had for 70k on ebay... :)

to each his own, i guess. we are lucky that in this age of nanny states and tree-hugging hippies we can still have a debate about two very different, yet amazing cars.


RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By Reclaimer77 on 7/2/2011 8:43:58 PM , Rating: 1
Seems like you can't help yourself from making disparaging, and off base, comments about the 'Vette. The block in the Corvette started out with the same displacement as the "truck engine", but it's certainly not a modified truck engine. The Chevrolet small block has been used in dozens of vehicles for decades. It's the most successful V8 small block design ever made. The Corvette engine has so many high end components and mods that it can hardly even be compared to a "truck engine".

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- porsches are more efficient


Efficiency is a poor argument to make when comparing such ridiculously excessive vehicles who's point is to go fast.

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- porsches are more efficient, the latest GT3 RS 4.0 makes 500hp from a 4 liter flat-6; a corvette needs a 7 liter V8 to achieve the same power.


Umm why are you comparing the Z06 to a GT3 RS 4.0? Seems to me we should be debating the 911 Turbo to the Corvette ZR1.

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torque is of course another matter,


This is why comparing the two engines in terms of "efficiency" can get wonky. The Z06 gives you max torque at only 4800 RPM, and max horsepower at only 6300 RPM. That's the beauty, and attraction, of the big ole V8.

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- the vette still uses leaf springs (!) in its rear suspension. holy crap.


First off, the Vette's track times are on par with some of the best sports cars in the world. You can't do that without great handling.

Secondly the use of leaf springs in the Corvette is not to be confused with leaf spring suspensions used in trucks and older cars; they are two completely different things. The Corvettes transverse leaf springs serve the same purpose as coil springs in other vehicles, but they are lighter, allow for the vehicles mass to be closer to the ground, and allow for lighter anti-roll bars since they can assume some of that duty.

When you have that much neckbreaking power and torque to the real wheels, traditional independent coilover setups just WON'T cut it.

Obviously Chevrolet could have gone a LOT further with the Corvette, but then you would have to go a lot further with your wallet. Even spending upwards of $120k, there's really nothing out there for that money that beats the ZR1 soundly.


RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By shiftypy on 7/13/2011 8:57:34 AM , Rating: 2
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Even spending upwards of $120k, there's really nothing out there for that money that beats the ZR1 soundly.
I will have to mention Nissan GT-R here
Under $100K. Superior to both 911 and Vette. Filled with technology and not relying on outlandish horsepower alone to be fast.


By theapparition on 7/4/2011 10:54:36 PM , Rating: 3
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porsches are more efficient

Here we go with that same old stupid "efficiency" argument. Does Hp/liter get you something? Nope. BTW, which car gets better mpg, you know, real efficiency.

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the vette still uses leaf springs (!) in its rear suspension. holy crap.

Yep....so does the ZR1, which still holds the record at the Nurburgring for true production car on street tires, driven to that record by a GM engineer, not a professional.

I love fancy new technology, but if older tech works better, then why argue with results? Lots of older tech in the vettes that still perform better than high tech cars. If you want a badge that says Vtech or something, then get an Honda. But if you want reliable tech that still outperforms the fancy stuff, you'll know where to find me.


RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By Noya on 7/3/2011 2:02:13 AM , Rating: 2
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C6 Z06 with similar performance to many 100k+ Porsches and get another car or truck to use.


Sorry, but the current Porsche Turbo S destroys everything (ZR1 included) but a Bugatti Veyron in acceleration while matching just about anything else in braking, handling, etc.

Bingo! That's who GM aims at with the Corvette, the value conscious shopper who would prefer two lower-quality cars than paying for as single more premium product. Someone that will go on and on about the numbers a C6 will produce, while never admitting to its kit-car build quality and the fact that they will never, ever take it to an open track day and actually experience the thrills the car can give thanks to the numbers it produces.


By Reclaimer77 on 7/3/2011 3:10:02 AM , Rating: 1
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Sorry, but the current Porsche Turbo S destroys everything (ZR1 included)


Yeah for only $60k more. Also please define "destroys". Post a link. Because every comparison I can find shows the ZR1 beating it or coming out pretty much even, despite the Porsche whoring all wheel drive and a double-clutch PDK tranny with launch control, stability control, and whatever other electronic crap they needed to throw in to make the car drivable.

Why is it so hard for people to accept the 'Vette as a legitimate sports car?

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Someone that will go on and on about the numbers a C6 will produce, while never admitting to its kit-car build quality and the fact that they will never, bla bla bla


I guess it's just impossible that some people might prefer a Corvette to a Porsche? Nah, hell, everyone should just buy a Porsche I guess. Screw every OTHER car out there.

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ever take it to an open track day and actually experience the thrills the car can give thanks to the numbers it produces.


What are you even on about? Yeah I'm so sure everyone takes their $160k+ 911 Turbo's out on the track too. Riiiight.

Porsche's are great cars. But it's silly that you have to get nasty and condescending to someone who prefers a different sports car.


RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By RussianSensation on 7/3/2011 3:07:32 AM , Rating: 2
I think you got confused by my comment. Sure, you can buy winter tires and technically drive a Corvette in the winter but then you have none of the performance of the Corvette. In fact, a stock Audi A4 2.0T with quattro all-wheel drive will leave your Corvette for dead during December-March winter months the minute the road gets snow on it. You also probably have to throw 2-3 large salt bags in the back just to get traction. And good luck driving that Vette in the winter if you are in a hilly area.

The whole point of a 911 is that people do drive them all-year round. So I don't understand your argument about getting a Corvette and a Truck when you can just get a 911 and use it all year around.

But you are missing some other important factors:

1) Vette has horrible/cheap interior materials and seats
2) Vette has none of the comfort/German feel on the highway that the planted 911 has
3) Vette has none of the prestige of the 911 (unless you live in "Corvette" patriotic states likes Ohio, Michigan, etc.)
4) Vette has inferior steering feel to the 911
5) While it may lay down great times at the Nurbugring in the hands of a professional driver, the Vette is a handful to drive at the limit in real life. In other words, in the hands of an average driver, you'd kill yourself in a Vette on a track if you pushed it hard and would never be able to match the times of the modern sophisticated cars like the 911 or the GTR.
6) You buy a Vette because all you care about is 1/4 mile times. A 911 buyer wants a certain level of comfort and luxury as well. At the end of the day the Vette just feels like a cheap car that can go very fast but lacks the refinement found in competing vehicles like the 911, R8, GTR.


RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By Reclaimer77 on 7/3/11, Rating: 0
RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By Lord 666 on 7/3/2011 4:30:24 PM , Rating: 2
Reclaimer,

I know you live in Canada and have a distant view of our country. In certain areas of the US, people DO drive their 911s and now Panameras as daily drivers. I live in one of those areas. Just today saw a guy with his son at Toys R Us load the front of his Turbo Convertible in the pouring rain. There are quite a few older ladies driving Panameras to the store. There are even two guys with Carrera GTs; a silver and red one. Sort of helps there is a Porsched/Audi dealer within 3 miles, but by far the most popular luxury brand in the area is MB; 550 4matics and GL450s everywhere. Even one SLS.


By Reclaimer77 on 7/3/2011 7:16:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I know you live in Canada and have a distant view of our country.


What? No I don't. I was born and raised in America. I'm just saying most people who can afford $100k+ cars don't drive them every day. For one, they are impractical, and you can easily afford a more practical car.


RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By Manch on 7/3/2011 10:37:27 PM , Rating: 1
I can see stereotyping a mustang/camaro/GTO'so slows as drag racers but a vette guy? Most I know they will hit the drag strip occasionally, play on the highway(of course), but mainly they go to the road courses.


By Reclaimer77 on 7/3/2011 11:36:32 PM , Rating: 1
I just love how he stereotypes the 'Vette as some drag racing car, when it beats pretty much every Porsche in the skidpad and through the slalom without the benefit of all wheel drive. Hell the Nissan GT-R with it's vaunted AWD from God setup can't even pull 1g on the 'pad.


By theapparition on 7/4/2011 10:48:09 PM , Rating: 2
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While it may lay down great times at the Nurbugring in the hands of a professional driver, the Vette is a handful to drive at the limit in real life. In other words, in the hands of an average driver, you'd kill yourself in a Vette on a track if you pushed it hard and would never be able to match the times of the modern sophisticated cars like the 911 or the GTR.

I've driven almost every sports car that can be imported into the US. I race Corvettes as a hobby. So I can instantly tell that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and most likely last was a passenger in a 1990 C4.

Technically, Porsches are very nice cars. I've never argued against that. I just indicated that I don't like thier decades old styling. But Corvettes are very much on par with everything that Porsche offers. To infer otherwise, just shows your ignorance. OK, I'll give you interiors.

But for your information, while Porsche pumps tons of money into Nurburgring times, GM brought over a ZR1.....once.....and it was piloted by an engineer.....not a professional. Sad thing is, it still destroyed any current Porsche's times.


RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By Noya on 7/2/2011 4:12:45 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
I though Porshes looked dated in the 80's. Now they look downright ancient. That's my opinion, and one that I've made with my wallet. I'll keep my Corvettes.


Are you kidding me? An 80's 911 still looks astute, pert and capable. C3 and C4 Corvettes look like the jalopy's they are. The 930, 964 and 993 are timeless cars...and no doubt built better than contemporary Porsche models.


RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By voodoochile123 on 7/4/2011 9:05:40 PM , Rating: 1
LMAO Corvettes. Yeah ok knight rider, you keep your vettes and I'll have the far more agile far more high tech, far better built, and far more drivable 911.


RE: I like manuals but 7 speed ?
By theapparition on 7/4/2011 10:57:59 PM , Rating: 2
Knight Rider was a Pontiac Firebird TransAm there genius.

And since I actually race my cars, I'm sure your just another kid talking out his azz looking at old Top Gear episodes on YouTube.

Keep your high tech, I'll keep the finish line. BTW, who won it's class at LeMons this year? Thanks for playing.


By voodoochile123 on 11/24/2011 3:34:29 AM , Rating: 2
Lemons? Like lemonade? I don't see what Le Mans has to do with this anyway, we are talking about production cars.


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