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RIM's Blackberry smart phones helped revolutionize the industry.   (Source: The Baltimore Sun)

Now the company appears to be plodding slowly towards extinction as app developers and customers abandon it.  (Source: George Arthur Bush)
Developers are dropping support for RIM like a bad habit

Software developer Seesmic, maker of popular social media management smartphone apps, delivered stinging news to Canadian-based smartphone maker Research in Motion, Ltd. (TSE:RIM), commenting in a blog post:

Effective June 30th, Seesmic will discontinue support for Blackberry in order to focus development efforts on our most popular mobile platforms: Android, iOS and Windows Phone 7.

While normally it would be foolish to microanalyze app defections, this was merely the latest development in a broad trend of top developers abandoning RIM this year.  Bloomberg reports that Purple Forge Corp., a maker of political campaign an polling apps, will drop general support for the platform, offering it only if clients specially request it.  Likewise, Mobile Roadie LLC, which makes apps for fans of the Miami Dolphins and country singer Taylor Swift, says it is ditching support for Blackberries.

Reportedly one key factor is that developing for RIM handsets is complex, thanks to a large amount of hardware inputs and a less than modern API that fails to match the ease of Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android, Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) iOS, or Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Windows Phone 7.

Purple Forge CEO Brian Hurley reflects this, commenting, "As soon as RIM brought in a touchscreen and mixed it with a thumbwheel, a keyboard and shortcut keys, it made it really difficult and expensive to develop across devices. What Apple scored big on is having a touch screen and a button and that’s it. In deploying Apple applications, there are very few surprises. In Android, there are increasingly more surprises. But in BlackBerry, there are immediately lots of gotchas across the board.”

Like struggling Finnish phonemaker Nokia Oyj. (HEL:NOK1V), RIM is counting on an OS change to reverse its fortunes.  In early 2012, it will switch to using QNX's operating system in its new smartphones.  RIM's first QNX product was the PlayBook tablet, released in April -- a year after RIM acquired the small Canadian OS maker.



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Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/2011 6:15:28 PM , Rating: -1
==>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS7Pp9UPoZI

where new Blackberry Bold 9900 pwns iPhone 4 in a real life web browser speed test I'd say RIM knows about their shortcomings and already fixes them. Playbook is the best tablet for browsing the web these days, these new Blackberries 9900 and 9930 look like hot items too judging by the previews I've seen so far, and the situation will likely be even better when QNX replaces Blackberry OS on their handsets too. Should be much, much better platform to develop apps for.

WRT to the multitude of input methods - I've seen quite a few BB junkies gloating about best keyboard and best trackpad on their BBs, now BB 9900 will add best touch screen to that, I dunno, seems like RIM would like to keep it as a distinguishing factor. If they ditch their signature keyboard and trackpad they will look like another generic Android/Apple handset, probably not the wisest move would that be eh?




RE: Judging by this video...
By BastiWebMaster on 6/27/2011 6:31:15 PM , Rating: 5
What about marketing? Microsoft had a better product(Zune) than Apple(iPod) but in the end it had embarassing sales and had to shelve it.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/11, Rating: -1
RE: Judging by this video...
By kleinma on 6/27/2011 7:31:19 PM , Rating: 5
not quite a clone. I have an 8gb zune someone gave to me, and I love the thing. It does wifi sync (something apple is soon to be "cloning" in the iPod/iPhone). It has a screen I can actually still read in daylight when I use it outside for yard work. The people who design apple products must simply never see daylight. It does a host of other nice things that set it pretty far apart from an ipod. I mean what does an ipod do, it plays music, and certainly wasn't the first device to do so. So in what ways is the zune a clone? Your assertion that zune wasn't better than iPod is nothing more than the opinion of someone who probably owns an ipod, and probably never used a zune.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/2011 7:35:42 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I mean what does an ipod do, it plays music
iPod Touch does a host of other nice things besides just playing music


RE: Judging by this video...
By name99 on 6/28/2011 10:17:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It has a screen I can actually still read in daylight when I use it outside for yard work. The people who design apple products must simply never see daylight.


WTF are you talking about? I live in LA, a city with plenty of sun. I frequently walk on various errands, to the library etc, and I watch lectures on my iPod nano 3G while I walk. I've never had a problem with sunlight.

It's fair to criticize real Apple problems, for example their support for spoken word material is crappy (though far superior to that of MS), and they don't offer high speed video playback (of course neither does MS). But criticizing non-problems is just stupid.

And I'd say the same about your wifi sync snark. If you think iCloud is purely about syncing your music tracks, you're completely missing the larger ambition and vision of the technology.


RE: Judging by this video...
By jimbojimbo on 6/30/2011 2:13:46 PM , Rating: 2
Many people also think that the ipod was the very first mobile mp3 player as well so they say that anything that plays mp3s is an ipod clone. Truly ignorant people they are.


RE: Judging by this video...
By djdjohnson on 6/27/2011 8:21:20 PM , Rating: 3
The Zune was (and still is) absolutely a much better music player than any iPod (or iPhone) has ever been. More consistent interface, subscription and streaming options, better controls for managing playlists, artist bios and pictures, far better podcast support... Plus the desktop software is much faster, easier to use, has a better interface, and is much more reliable besides being much better looking. The iOS ecosystem has the Zune beat in terms of apps (the Zune doesn't even show up for that contest), but in terms of music playback, the Zune wins hands down.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Belard on 6/29/2011 10:50:29 AM , Rating: 2
to playback music.... only a few buttons controls are needed.

Play, FF, back, stop/pause.

My $30 Sandisk Clip does what I need. The display has 3 rows and is off most of the time.

Zune did improve with age... but the market has move on and MS has stopped making ZUNEs. Apple has created the MP3 standard and by using it same rather large interface connector - it *IS* a standard.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Belard on 6/29/2011 10:45:04 AM , Rating: 1
Back in the 80s, the Amiga was easily far more powerful (and cheaper) than any MS-DOS computer. MS didn't have a "modern" computer OS until Windows95 in late 95. (Windows3.x and below are not Operating Systems and were pure crap).

Amiga did video, gaming, audio and very useful and productive Multi-tasking. Mac didn't multi-tasking in the 80s, improved task-switching was added in the 90s... but not until OS-X, did they have real Multi-tasking.

Yet, Amiga pretty much died in 92~93 because of the stupid company that owned it and market forces that wanted compatibility with "MS-DOS", they they wanted something better.

Zune wasn't better... it had some added features, but thats it... and they were ugly brown clones of iPods.

The market supports 2, maybe 3 devices when it comes to electronics or technology. (IE: you can still build a NEW "Amiga" system with a recent OS... a few thousand people in the world own such systems. No development, should be ZERO viruses too).

For Cell Phones & tablets: Android, iOS and WinPhone7 are the top 3... Since MS actually did something DIFFERENT and good with WP7, I'd place them above RIM - 3rd place.

RIM failed the Playbook because they showed incompetence with releasing a half-baked product. Spending an extra 2-3 months to perhaps fix its bugs and put on an email & contact manager would have gone a long way.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/29/2011 12:35:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
RIM failed the Playbook because they showed incompetence with releasing a half-baked product
I heard the same things about half-baked iPhone 2G when it was released in 2007.


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/27/2011 6:33:19 PM , Rating: 5
Hahahaha... having the best interface doesn't mean squat when it's supported by the most convoluted OS and emulator. BB needs to evolve or DIE... and running android apps in a emulator is not it.

Simply put like this article stipulates, Developing for BB is a pain and costs more money than the generic OS of Google and controlled API's of Apple... ergo to save money developers are abandoning BB. If *you* budget and target market shrank double digits EVERY year you'd stop shoving money in the trash bin as well. BB is as depicted in the article.. the king of all dinosaurs... right at the cusp of extinction.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/11, Rating: -1
RE: Judging by this video...
By djdjohnson on 6/27/2011 8:24:50 PM , Rating: 2
Well, running Windows apps on Macs isn't really emulation. Under Boot Camp everything is running natively, and under Parallels/Fusion the code is running natively on the CPU, with a translation layer to allow access to the hardware at near-native speeds. Emulation would be required if the CPU architecture was different, which it is not.

Even with that said, though... My experience running apps under Parallels/Fusion hasn't exactly been pleasant. It's still kind of a kludge.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/11, Rating: 0
RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:05:14 PM , Rating: 2
BB, regardless of slow a$$ qnx, will not run close to metal or bare metal. who in their right mind would ever allow a app to crash a phone.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 7:51:55 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
will not run close to metal or bare metal
Oh, so you never heard about JVM then. never mind, I thought you'd know something about that at least but are just another illiterate troll


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:35:50 PM , Rating: 2
LOL! HAHAHA... wow... seriously ? that is your reply? that qnx is not emulation ? unless the binaries are exactly the same AS GOOGLES... ITS EMULATION.

and the reason "parralels" works for mac, is the cpu makes up for the nearly 40% performance hit that's involved. not phone can do that.


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 12:12:51 PM , Rating: 2
your missing the point of the article and my reply. Nobody want to spend 3-5x the money to develop 1 app. hence, developers dropping RIM as a target platfrom


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 12:22:46 PM , Rating: 2
They will come back when RIM deploys QNX on all of their devices.

Remember how everyone was abandoning Mac OS 9 since it was so crappy and how everyone came back when Apple replaced ancient OS 9 with OS X? Don't you forget about this.


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:03:45 PM , Rating: 2
Last time i checked... most of Apples premier apps... never came back.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 8:12:58 PM , Rating: 1
Even Autodesk came back, would you like to come out of your trolley cave and have a look around eh? lotsa surprises like Autodesk around!


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:34:58 PM , Rating: 1
LOL! HAHAHA... wow... seriously ? that is your reply? that qnx is not emulation ? unless the binaries are exactly the same AS GOOGLES... ITS EMULATION.

and the reason "parralels" works for mac, is the cpu makes up for the nearly 40% performance hit that's involved. not phone can do that.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Tony Swash on 6/27/2011 7:52:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
where new Blackberry Bold 9900 pwns iPhone 4 in a real life web browser speed test I'd say RIM knows about their shortcomings and already fixes them. Playbook is the best tablet for browsing the web these days, these new Blackberries 9900 and 9930 look like hot items too judging by the previews I've seen so far, and the situation will likely be even better when QNX replaces Blackberry OS on their handsets too. Should be much, much better platform to develop apps for. WRT to the multitude of input methods - I've seen quite a few BB junkies gloating about best keyboard and best trackpad on their BBs, now BB 9900 will add best touch screen to that, I dunno, seems like RIM would like to keep it as a distinguishing factor. If they ditch their signature keyboard and trackpad they will look like another generic Android/Apple handset, probably not the wisest move would that be eh?


Normal peple don't care about this sort of stuff. As long as the hardware is more or less as good the competition it doesn't matter. What matters is the eco-system, the value stack, what services the device connects to, the range of apps available, how many accesories there are for it, can I plug it in my car and stereo. RIM dropped the ball on all that stuff, actualy they never really managed to pick it up in the first place. Now they are almost certainly out of time.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/2011 9:06:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What matters is the eco-system, the value stack, what services the device connects to, the range of apps available, how many accesories there are for it, can I plug it in my car and stereo
By all these metrics Apple lost the war with Microsoft's eco-system, but still Apple sells Macs for a nice profit.

Same happens with RIM now. They may lose the war just like Apple lost the war but they will still sell niche little handsets for some nice profit, even when their market share is as low as Mac's. Got it? :)


RE: Judging by this video...
By Tony Swash on 6/28/2011 9:12:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
By all these metrics Apple lost the war with Microsoft's eco-system, but still Apple sells Macs for a nice profit. Same happens with RIM now. They may lose the war just like Apple lost the war but they will still sell niche little handsets for some nice profit, even when their market share is as low as Mac's. Got it? :)


I think RIM may be a bit more like Osborne Computer Corporation than Apple. Maybe they can find their niche and survive, I won't be buying any of their shares in a hurry though :)


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 10:58:16 AM , Rating: 1
Looking at Apple CEO health... I wouldn't buy any of their sharez either


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:46:59 PM , Rating: 2
BB will be sold or die before his jobbs-ness gives up the ghost. hmm.. that would be a kicker if his last dying wish was to by and snuff BB ;)


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 8:53:37 PM , Rating: 2
eat this, troll

http://www.cellular-news.com/story/49725.php

"BlackBerry phones are the least likely to develop hardware issues"


RE: Judging by this video...
By ltcommanderdata on 6/27/2011 10:29:01 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think I should be overjoyed that a yet to be released Blackberry is faster than a 1 year old iPhone 4. Especially when the Bold 9900's CPU is clocked 50% higher than the iPhone 4. If it wasn't faster, RIM is really doing something wrong.

RIM's big problem right now is execution. They spend a whole year after the original iPad was released talking smack about how much more powerful their upcoming Playbook was, how having a dual core CPU sets their device apart from the iPad. And guess what, after all that talk, by the time the Playbook is released, it's not competing against the iPad 1 but against the iPad 2, which also has a 1GHz dual core Cortex A9 and a much faster GPU to boot.

Similarly, it's looking increasingly likely that by the time the Bold 9900 is released it'll be competing against the iPhone 5 and iOS 5. I'll be reserving judgement on who pwns who until the Bold 9900 is actually released, whether it'll be early enough to still face the iPhone 4 or late enough to face the iPhone 5.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/2011 10:41:00 PM , Rating: 2
True, people who buy by hardware specs may not opt for a BlackBerry, just because some Android or iPhone may have bigger GeeBees, but (!) the same thing could be said about Macs, right? Still, people buy Macs, even though Mac hardware is not the fastest. Which means what? Which means hardware specs NOT ALWAYS matter. Got it?


RE: Judging by this video...
By retrospooty on 6/28/2011 9:19:56 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, this is true, but Mac is a compelling OS that alot of people like. The OS makes it, not the hardware.

In hte case of Blackberry, thier OS is the weekness. 4 years behind the rest of the world - comared to IOS, Android 2.2 (or higher) or WebOS, BB's os it total crap, and that is why its being dumped on.


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:18:46 PM , Rating: 2
LOL!!! QNX ??? outside of POS, medical stations and "Kiosks" no-one will recognize that QNX is a RT flavor of linux..

in fact forum troll/advertiser... what does the acro "rt" mean for QNX ? I bet you have to look it up...

Hoping that your web os shell layed on top of a no-name super niche Linux derivative is your best hope?

o.0 omg.... you really need your ass kicked and review your gorilla forum advertising plans...

if your hoping splashy web adverts and forum posts are going to amount to a product recovery you are god damned insane...out side of dev's and linux geeks... nobody IN REAL LIFE is going to know anything bout a RT kernel. or any benifits from it. let alone web os ported on top of it.

you do understand that the glib's for QNX are so terrible that you ARE going to loose HORRIBLY in all graphic level benchmarks right ?

scratch that, there not terrible. there just not designed to win "multimedia" tests. let alone drive a hdmi display at 60fps for full 80megabyte bit rates.

if BB really wants to survive they need to get off their asses, license Kal-el, and buy the rights to something else besides QNX. thats ***IF*** they are willing to co-develope apps during the platform transition. but they wont.

and that's why they will continue to loose high single and low double digit market shares until those last few hold out contracts remain... then they will die.

Seriously ? QNX is your hope and life line ? there is a reason they have never been in the phone market before. and 3 generations from now you will understand why.

THERE IS A VALID REASON THEY ARE GETTING TRASHED IN THE REVIEWS, not the paid for review-tising BS reviews.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/29/2011 12:45:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
THERE IS A VALID REASON THEY ARE GETTING TRASHED IN THE REVIEWS
The only thing trashed here is your dead brain, stupid zombie :) In reality reviews are quite favorable, like this one:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4266/blackberry-play...

"Web page compatibility is ridiculously good with the PlayBook's browser, partially due to RIM's excellent implementation of hardware accelerated Flash 10.2. Corner cases that wouldn't work on Android or iOS work perfectly on the PlayBook. PlayBook offers the best browsing experience from a pure software standpoint of any of the tablets"

munch on this one, moron :)))


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 12:10:26 PM , Rating: 2
Hahahaha.... to bad nobody will develop any apps for it. with luck BB will be bought out by Microsoft.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 12:28:33 PM , Rating: 2
"nobody will develop apps for QNX" (C) maxxcool
"nobody will buy an iPhone" (C) Ballmer

"dumb and dumber" anyone?


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:23:12 PM , Rating: 1
Says the man who thinks that a youtube video is going to sway a developer back to a aged expensive terrible to develop for platform, soon to be replaced by a nearly unheard of linux derivative, hoping to run the web os that recently got such back reviews that they actually used the word "shit" in quotable text.

again- BB costs to much money for app developers to code for. that's why they are leaving.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/11, Rating: 0
RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:32:12 PM , Rating: 1
HAHAHA the same play book almost 80% of all reviews calls a pos ?

like cnn ?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/04/14/...

Better yet follow this link and see HUNDREDS of articles condemning that piece of crap.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UT...


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 8:36:13 PM , Rating: 2
"Mac OS X is like living in a farmhouse in the country with no locks, and Windows is living in a house with bars on the windows in the bad part of town." -- Charlie Miller














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